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Goalie wrote:i am an expert
ur the loser
hulmey wrote:whats your opinon on this being a coalition rather than a USE vs Iraq map, Mibi?
Alot of non american troops gave there lives in Iraq and i think this should be acknowledged in this map!
Coleman wrote:I'd move it myself except for you've added me as an author so we are at cairnswk's mercy due to conflict of interest.
The only thing I could see him justifiably forcing upon us is for you to make another update of some kind.
yamahafazer wrote:Ok here's something that is just about making this map more easy to read... It's very interesting to see the divitions in the diferent citys as to who has more power and all but it would be much easyer to read if you just had the strongest powers simble above or near the city in question... cos I get lost in the big list in the top right.
That's the only thing that I can think of just now... congrats on moving to the Foundry
mibi wrote:yamahafazer wrote:Ok here's something that is just about making this map more easy to read... It's very interesting to see the divitions in the diferent citys as to who has more power and all but it would be much easyer to read if you just had the strongest powers simble above or near the city in question... cos I get lost in the big list in the top right.
That's the only thing that I can think of just now... congrats on moving to the Foundry
Im not sure what you mean.
yamahafazer wrote:mibi wrote:yamahafazer wrote:Ok here's something that is just about making this map more easy to read... It's very interesting to see the divitions in the diferent citys as to who has more power and all but it would be much easyer to read if you just had the strongest powers simble above or near the city in question... cos I get lost in the big list in the top right.
That's the only thing that I can think of just now... congrats on moving to the Foundry
Im not sure what you mean.
Sorry it wasn't very clear was it...
The thing that I cant see for myself is:
1. You have a lot of space given to the "CITY ALIGNMENT" thing but I cant see what it's there for.
2. You have bonuses for the number of allied cities that you hold in the "Madi Army", "Baathist", "al-qaeda" and "United States". But I cant see how you differenceate between the citys... Which citys are part of which groups.
OR I just haven't understood the bonus sistem at all.
mibi wrote:yamahafazer wrote:mibi wrote:yamahafazer wrote:Ok here's something that is just about making this map more easy to read... It's very interesting to see the divitions in the diferent citys as to who has more power and all but it would be much easyer to read if you just had the strongest powers simble above or near the city in question... cos I get lost in the big list in the top right.
That's the only thing that I can think of just now... congrats on moving to the Foundry
Im not sure what you mean.
Sorry it wasn't very clear was it...
The thing that I cant see for myself is:
1. You have a lot of space given to the "CITY ALIGNMENT" thing but I cant see what it's there for.
2. You have bonuses for the number of allied cities that you hold in the "Madi Army", "Baathist", "al-qaeda" and "United States". But I cant see how you differenceate between the citys... Which citys are part of which groups.
OR I just haven't understood the bonus sistem at all.
The city allignment allows a player to try and take on a side of the battle. Depending on the initial drop a player can choose the side of the the US or al-Queda and try to win by taking over cities in the name of the US or al-Queda. Each alignment has different 'abilities' and nuances as reflected in the bonus structure. The purpose of this is to reflect on the complexity of the situation which would not be possible with a standard 'bonus area' map, although one is included in the ethnic bonus parts.
The grey numbers are not bonuses, they are starting neutrals which must be conquered to receive a bonus. At the beginning not city is aligned to any group. All the alignments start neutral although some are harder to take then others.
For example, lets say from the initial drop you have strong position in the Shia area with 3 armies in both Umm Qasr and Nasiryah. Now in those cities the Mahdi Army presence is strong so you only have to conquer 1 neutral. So you attack from Umm Qasr to the Mahdi alignment in the Umm Qasr alignment box. And you do the same for Nasirylah. Then you use the road to attack from Umm Qasr to Basrah and install the Mahdi Army there. From there you see that Karbala has some Mahdi affections since its only 2 neutrals, so you take that over as well. Then you have 4 cities aligned as Mahdi Army and receive the +8 bonus, which you can then use to hammer Baghdad from your special entrance to Sadr city or from Karbala to East Rashid, via the road.
Of course this assumes other players haven't aready broken your bonuses.
Understand?
yamahafazer wrote:mibi wrote:yamahafazer wrote:mibi wrote:yamahafazer wrote:Ok here's something that is just about making this map more easy to read... It's very interesting to see the divitions in the diferent citys as to who has more power and all but it would be much easyer to read if you just had the strongest powers simble above or near the city in question... cos I get lost in the big list in the top right.
That's the only thing that I can think of just now... congrats on moving to the Foundry
Im not sure what you mean.
Sorry it wasn't very clear was it...
The thing that I cant see for myself is:
1. You have a lot of space given to the "CITY ALIGNMENT" thing but I cant see what it's there for.
2. You have bonuses for the number of allied cities that you hold in the "Madi Army", "Baathist", "al-qaeda" and "United States". But I cant see how you differenceate between the citys... Which citys are part of which groups.
OR I just haven't understood the bonus sistem at all.
The city allignment allows a player to try and take on a side of the battle. Depending on the initial drop a player can choose the side of the the US or al-Queda and try to win by taking over cities in the name of the US or al-Queda. Each alignment has different 'abilities' and nuances as reflected in the bonus structure. The purpose of this is to reflect on the complexity of the situation which would not be possible with a standard 'bonus area' map, although one is included in the ethnic bonus parts.
The grey numbers are not bonuses, they are starting neutrals which must be conquered to receive a bonus. At the beginning not city is aligned to any group. All the alignments start neutral although some are harder to take then others.
For example, lets say from the initial drop you have strong position in the Shia area with 3 armies in both Umm Qasr and Nasiryah. Now in those cities the Mahdi Army presence is strong so you only have to conquer 1 neutral. So you attack from Umm Qasr to the Mahdi alignment in the Umm Qasr alignment box. And you do the same for Nasirylah. Then you use the road to attack from Umm Qasr to Basrah and install the Mahdi Army there. From there you see that Karbala has some Mahdi affections since its only 2 neutrals, so you take that over as well. Then you have 4 cities aligned as Mahdi Army and receive the +8 bonus, which you can then use to hammer Baghdad from your special entrance to Sadr city or from Karbala to East Rashid, via the road.
Of course this assumes other players haven't aready broken your bonuses.
Understand?
Humm yes I do understand it better now... just one Q. can a city be held by multiple players at one time??
Tom2891 wrote:You haven't the slightest idea of actual factions in Iraq and you're making a tasteless map. I'm glad to see the Iraq War is being made into an online risk game.
Besides that, the map is inaccurate. How come you only have two Shia cities?? There are many other large cities in the Shia south area whose control has large implications. Hilla, and Al Kut to name a few. Like I said before in another post Al Qaeda is not one entity in Iraq, unless you want Al Qaeda to represent all foreign fighters in Iraq but you wouldn't be accounting for them fighting eachother. You'd have to break it down a lot deeper to be realistic. But YOU'RE the expert so keep checking out your Wikipedia to get your latest.
Tom2891 wrote:Mocking may not be the right word but when you know people who died and Iraqis who were killed by the Madhi militia it's annoying to see people who have no idea about Iraq make a game out of the situation. I never claimed to be an expert but I can bet I know a whole lot more than you as I dealt with the local population as well as local Government on a daily basis. The wikipedia comment was not to suggest that the content needs to be edited but that you seem like a wikipedist to me in that you are limited and your research is to what's on wikipedia. I never said you need to nail the current political situation but telling you what's accurate. Sorry I missed a Shia city, but there is still a lot more Sunni populated cities.
Agreed.mibi wrote:Tom2891 wrote:Mocking may not be the right word but when you know people who died and Iraqis who were killed by the Madhi militia it's annoying to see people who have no idea about Iraq make a game out of the situation. I never claimed to be an expert but I can bet I know a whole lot more than you as I dealt with the local population as well as local Government on a daily basis. The wikipedia comment was not to suggest that the content needs to be edited but that you seem like a wikipedist to me in that you are limited and your research is to what's on wikipedia. I never said you need to nail the current political situation but telling you what's accurate. Sorry I missed a Shia city, but there is still a lot more Sunni populated cities.
Soon there will be no less than 3 maps on this site where you can be Nazi Germany. Are these maps disparaging 6 million jews? I don't think so. This Iraq map is just as much a part of history as WW2 and fair game as I see it. It is YOU who are bringing the politics and bias into an otherwise neutral map. What if some Islamic CC player who knew people blown up by US bombs came by with their grievances. Truth is, there all many sides to this war, and I tried my best to represent them all with accuracy and balance inrespect to the facts and gameplay. I know full well that I can't please everyone however.
yamahafazer wrote:The thing that I cant see for myself is:
1. You have a lot of space given to the "CITY ALIGNMENT" thing but I cant see what it's there for.
2. You have bonuses for the number of allied cities that you hold in the "Madi Army", "Baathist", "al-qaeda" and "United States". But I cant see how you differenceate between the citys... Which citys are part of which groups.
OR I just haven't understood the bonus sistem at all.
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