Capitalism sucks

[Frigidus]

I hope this thread is a joke, Capitalism is obviously the best economic system ever created. It rewards the hardest workers and greatest achievers. Why should the less successful hold down the great and intelligent. Communism is an awful system of economics. It strips away all motivation to work hard. You work for you brothers but why not for yourself. There is no reason to work hard in a communist society, you are equal whether you are Albert Einstein or a complete idiot. Don't you think Einstein should be rewarded and praised more than the village idiot. Communism is just awful. Not good in theory or practice. Capitalism rewards the intelligent, it is the best system.

Quite right, and fascism seeks to keep capitalism under strict control, ensuring that it does not become more powerful that the State in which it operates. Democracy is a joke, and should be destroyed.

Fascism is the joke, it is a politco-existential doctrine effectively consisting in para-militarisation of society which attempts to create new men serving the state and emptied of all individual subjectivity, and so has evidently strong neo-Socialist undertones. In short, it is a sophisticated variant of socialism, with a few bits lopped on or off of it.

What is all this para-militarisation bullshit? By your own logic, the USA is fascist, which it clearly is not. In a fascist society, one's independent identity only matters if it benefits the State, and therefore the people as a whole. Democracy works the same way, with the authoritarian rule of the many, over the few. Fascism was born out of socialism, but it is not a variant of socialism, for it borrows from every conceivable ideology. It is an amalgam of theories, tucked under one roof, and enforced via authoritarian, and often totalitarian rule.

Except in fascism dissent is not allowed.

[Tyr]

I hope this thread is a joke, Capitalism is obviously the best economic system ever created. It rewards the hardest workers and greatest achievers. Why should the less successful hold down the great and intelligent. Communism is an awful system of economics. It strips away all motivation to work hard. You work for you brothers but why not for yourself. There is no reason to work hard in a communist society, you are equal whether you are Albert Einstein or a complete idiot. Don't you think Einstein should be rewarded and praised more than the village idiot. Communism is just awful. Not good in theory or practice. Capitalism rewards the intelligent, it is the best system.

Quite right, and fascism seeks to keep capitalism under strict control, ensuring that it does not become more powerful that the State in which it operates. Democracy is a joke, and should be destroyed.

Fascism is the joke, it is a politco-existential doctrine effectively consisting in para-militarisation of society which attempts to create new men serving the state and emptied of all individual subjectivity, and so has evidently strong neo-Socialist undertones. In short, it is a sophisticated variant of socialism, with a few bits lopped on or off of it.

What is all this para-militarisation bullshit? By your own logic, the USA is fascist, which it clearly is not. In a fascist society, one's independent identity only matters if it benefits the State, and therefore the people as a whole. Democracy works the same way, with the authoritarian rule of the many, over the few. Fascism was born out of socialism, but it is not a variant of socialism, for it borrows from every conceivable ideology. It is an amalgam of theories, tucked under one roof, and enforced via authoritarian, and often totalitarian rule.

Except in fascism dissent is not allowed.

dissent is the blood of democracy

[Risktaker17]

Exploiting the third world? Why, because Mboko of Nigeria, rather than work, could just run free with the antelope and be just fine as an alternative?

Yeah, the third world is poorly off : That is not the Occident's fault.

We pour money into their systems, and it is effectively wasted. What is needed is a huge politico-economic event to modernize third world politics, which western influence can help bring about.

We have no obligations to teach the third world how to live, Imperialism is not good.

[got tonkaed]

Exploiting the third world? Why, because Mboko of Nigeria, rather than work, could just run free with the antelope and be just fine as an alternative?

Yeah, the third world is poorly off : That is not the Occident's fault.

We pour money into their systems, and it is effectively wasted. What is needed is a huge politico-economic event to modernize third world politics, which western influence can help bring about.

what about the millenium development goals? Seemingly an western politico-economic effort....that required a large amount of accountability and profit potential...and yet the entire developed world has balked.

I agree with you on this quite a bit in theory, but what exactly does such an event look like?

[radiojake]

Exploiting third world labor are you a joke? I'm sorry I will never buy a product again, China is essential to America, I hate to say it. I believe it is awful what is done there, but it is essential if Americans want to pay low prices on things.

Well you even acknowledge it. I know it is essential to American (and all western lifestyles) that's why I said that you are exploiting third world labor. You guys talk about rewarding the hardest worker when it comes to capitalism?? Bullshit

Phil Knights - how many million a year

Asian sweat shop working making Nike's at gunpoint - 25cents an hour

Yes.. what a wonderful system capitalism is, totally rewarding the hard working

[Napoleon Ier]

I hope this thread is a joke, Capitalism is obviously the best economic system ever created. It rewards the hardest workers and greatest achievers. Why should the less successful hold down the great and intelligent. Communism is an awful system of economics. It strips away all motivation to work hard. You work for you brothers but why not for yourself. There is no reason to work hard in a communist society, you are equal whether you are Albert Einstein or a complete idiot. Don't you think Einstein should be rewarded and praised more than the village idiot. Communism is just awful. Not good in theory or practice. Capitalism rewards the intelligent, it is the best system.

Quite right, and fascism seeks to keep capitalism under strict control, ensuring that it does not become more powerful that the State in which it operates. Democracy is a joke, and should be destroyed.

Fascism is the joke, it is a politco-existential doctrine effectively consisting in para-militarisation of society which attempts to create new men serving the state and emptied of all individual subjectivity, and so has evidently strong neo-Socialist undertones. In short, it is a sophisticated variant of socialism, with a few bits lopped on or off of it.

What is all this para-militarisation bullshit? By your own logic, the USA is fascist, which it clearly is not. In a fascist society, one's independent identity only matters if it benefits the State, and therefore the people as a whole. Democracy works the same way, with the authoritarian rule of the many, over the few. Fascism was born out of socialism, but it is not a variant of socialism, for it borrows from every conceivable ideology. It is an amalgam of theories, tucked under one roof, and enforced via authoritarian, and often totalitarian rule.

I'll make it as simple as I can :

The state enslaves the individual in socialist systems and, in fascist society attempts to create a pseudo-identity which encourages him to psychologically reconfigure into his socially predetermined existence.

[Der Fuhrer]

No the point is that a middle class family is being taxed greatly to help the poor. We would be perfectly fine if it weren't for the need to help the poor.

So you don't mind exploiting the poor, but won't give anything back. Poor sport

How the f*ck is he exploiting the poor? Fucking commies, and their constant whining when they are discovered as being too fucking lazy to get themselves a fucking job.

Well if he is living a Middle class american lifestyle, he would be indirectly exploiting third world labour purely with all of the products his family consumes.

He buys a pair of fucking shoes, yet he is the one doing the exploiting? Fucking liberal morons. At least there now exists Third-World labour, the very same labour that would not exist without his consumerism. He is therefore doing exactly the opposite of exploitation. He is giving those labourers a chance at a half-decent life. Without his desire for the goods produced by said labourer, poverty would be far worse. This is why I laughed at the age of 16 when I first read 'Das Kapital'. It is upon my perusal of this wonderful book that I learned what a true moron Karl Marx really was.

[Risktaker17]

I must go, but I enjoyed winning this debate.

[Napoleon Ier]

Exploiting the third world? Why, because Mboko of Nigeria, rather than work, could just run free with the antelope and be just fine as an alternative?

Yeah, the third world is poorly off : That is not the Occident's fault.

We pour money into their systems, and it is effectively wasted. What is needed is a huge politico-economic event to modernize third world politics, which western influence can help bring about.

what about the millenium development goals? Seemingly an western politico-economic effort....that required a large amount of accountability and profit potential...and yet the entire developed world has balked.

I agree with you on this quite a bit in theory, but what exactly does such an event look like?

Sleep now...more politics later

[Der Fuhrer]

I hope this thread is a joke, Capitalism is obviously the best economic system ever created. It rewards the hardest workers and greatest achievers. Why should the less successful hold down the great and intelligent. Communism is an awful system of economics. It strips away all motivation to work hard. You work for you brothers but why not for yourself. There is no reason to work hard in a communist society, you are equal whether you are Albert Einstein or a complete idiot. Don't you think Einstein should be rewarded and praised more than the village idiot. Communism is just awful. Not good in theory or practice. Capitalism rewards the intelligent, it is the best system.

Quite right, and fascism seeks to keep capitalism under strict control, ensuring that it does not become more powerful that the State in which it operates. Democracy is a joke, and should be destroyed.

Fascism is the joke, it is a politco-existential doctrine effectively consisting in para-militarisation of society which attempts to create new men serving the state and emptied of all individual subjectivity, and so has evidently strong neo-Socialist undertones. In short, it is a sophisticated variant of socialism, with a few bits lopped on or off of it.

What is all this para-militarisation bullshit? By your own logic, the USA is fascist, which it clearly is not. In a fascist society, one's independent identity only matters if it benefits the State, and therefore the people as a whole. Democracy works the same way, with the authoritarian rule of the many, over the few. Fascism was born out of socialism, but it is not a variant of socialism, for it borrows from every conceivable ideology. It is an amalgam of theories, tucked under one roof, and enforced via authoritarian, and often totalitarian rule.

Except in fascism dissent is not allowed.

Of course not, exactly as it is not allowed in the democracies either. What is your point?

[got tonkaed]

surely before consumerism....these people must not have existed. It was only upon when western civilization found them...that they immediatly found existence and were granted the privilige to work for wages that could not buy the goods they manufactured. Likewise, the dreams of the ideals of the west that so eagerly exerted their influence were denied to them as their fledgling governments were forced to strucutrally adjust so they could participate in a system where they were economically disadvantage.

What an incredible privilige indeed!

[got tonkaed]

I must go, but I enjoyed winning this debate.

id admit i think it was your ideas about 0 taxation that really did a number on the judges. I hear all kinds of people are excited to live in your society with no social services provided.

[Frigidus]

I hope this thread is a joke, Capitalism is obviously the best economic system ever created. It rewards the hardest workers and greatest achievers. Why should the less successful hold down the great and intelligent. Communism is an awful system of economics. It strips away all motivation to work hard. You work for you brothers but why not for yourself. There is no reason to work hard in a communist society, you are equal whether you are Albert Einstein or a complete idiot. Don't you think Einstein should be rewarded and praised more than the village idiot. Communism is just awful. Not good in theory or practice. Capitalism rewards the intelligent, it is the best system.

Quite right, and fascism seeks to keep capitalism under strict control, ensuring that it does not become more powerful that the State in which it operates. Democracy is a joke, and should be destroyed.

Fascism is the joke, it is a politco-existential doctrine effectively consisting in para-militarisation of society which attempts to create new men serving the state and emptied of all individual subjectivity, and so has evidently strong neo-Socialist undertones. In short, it is a sophisticated variant of socialism, with a few bits lopped on or off of it.

What is all this para-militarisation bullshit? By your own logic, the USA is fascist, which it clearly is not. In a fascist society, one's independent identity only matters if it benefits the State, and therefore the people as a whole. Democracy works the same way, with the authoritarian rule of the many, over the few. Fascism was born out of socialism, but it is not a variant of socialism, for it borrows from every conceivable ideology. It is an amalgam of theories, tucked under one roof, and enforced via authoritarian, and often totalitarian rule.

Except in fascism dissent is not allowed.

Of course not, exactly as it is not allowed in the democracies either. What is your point?

Difference between dissent not being allowed and minorities not getting what they want. BIG difference.

[Der Fuhrer]

I hope this thread is a joke, Capitalism is obviously the best economic system ever created. It rewards the hardest workers and greatest achievers. Why should the less successful hold down the great and intelligent. Communism is an awful system of economics. It strips away all motivation to work hard. You work for you brothers but why not for yourself. There is no reason to work hard in a communist society, you are equal whether you are Albert Einstein or a complete idiot. Don't you think Einstein should be rewarded and praised more than the village idiot. Communism is just awful. Not good in theory or practice. Capitalism rewards the intelligent, it is the best system.

Quite right, and fascism seeks to keep capitalism under strict control, ensuring that it does not become more powerful that the State in which it operates. Democracy is a joke, and should be destroyed.

Fascism is the joke, it is a politco-existential doctrine effectively consisting in para-militarisation of society which attempts to create new men serving the state and emptied of all individual subjectivity, and so has evidently strong neo-Socialist undertones. In short, it is a sophisticated variant of socialism, with a few bits lopped on or off of it.

What is all this para-militarisation bullshit? By your own logic, the USA is fascist, which it clearly is not. In a fascist society, one's independent identity only matters if it benefits the State, and therefore the people as a whole. Democracy works the same way, with the authoritarian rule of the many, over the few. Fascism was born out of socialism, but it is not a variant of socialism, for it borrows from every conceivable ideology. It is an amalgam of theories, tucked under one roof, and enforced via authoritarian, and often totalitarian rule.

I'll make it as simple as I can :

The state enslaves the individual in socialist systems and, in fascist society attempts to create a pseudo-identity which encourages him to psychologically reconfigure into his socially predetermined existence.

What nation doesn't do the same? You would prefer utter chaos reign? In a fascist society, the individual is free to do as he/she wishes, as long as it is not detrimental to the wishes of the State, which also serves the people. This is a form of individual protection, under the guise of groupthink.

Tell me, what are you without a State? You would be a fucking anarchist, or at the very least, a scumbag libertarian. If you wish to see your boyfriend raped repeatedly, and your sister used as a bowling bowl, then be my guest, for your very post determines the stupidity that has led you to embrace chaos as your master.

[radiojake]

No the point is that a middle class family is being taxed greatly to help the poor. We would be perfectly fine if it weren't for the need to help the poor.

So you don't mind exploiting the poor, but won't give anything back. Poor sport

How the f*ck is he exploiting the poor? Fucking commies, and their constant whining when they are discovered as being too fucking lazy to get themselves a fucking job.

Well if he is living a Middle class american lifestyle, he would be indirectly exploiting third world labour purely with all of the products his family consumes.

He buys a pair of fucking shoes, yet he is the one doing the exploiting? Fucking liberal morons. At least there now exists Third-World labour, the very same labour that would not exist without his consumerism. He is therefore doing exactly the opposite of exploitation. He is giving those labourers a chance at a half-decent life. Without his desire for the goods produced by said labourer, poverty would be far worse. This is why I laughed at the age of 16 when I first read 'Das Kapital'. It is upon my perusal of this wonderful book that I learned what a true moron Karl Marx really was.

I really do fail to see how people actually think that working 24cents an hour can be turned into a good thing with the old 'well if we weren't there they would have no jobs at all' routine. Bullshit.

Your right, third world exploitative labour wouldn't exist without western capitalism, which would give these workers time and freedom to actually do something worth while, rather than make Phil Knights another billion dollars. Maybe growing there own food may be more productive (oh wait, that will just end up being used to feed the west anyway, gotta love importing cheap food from overseas)

[Frigidus]

I hope this thread is a joke, Capitalism is obviously the best economic system ever created. It rewards the hardest workers and greatest achievers. Why should the less successful hold down the great and intelligent. Communism is an awful system of economics. It strips away all motivation to work hard. You work for you brothers but why not for yourself. There is no reason to work hard in a communist society, you are equal whether you are Albert Einstein or a complete idiot. Don't you think Einstein should be rewarded and praised more than the village idiot. Communism is just awful. Not good in theory or practice. Capitalism rewards the intelligent, it is the best system.

Quite right, and fascism seeks to keep capitalism under strict control, ensuring that it does not become more powerful that the State in which it operates. Democracy is a joke, and should be destroyed.

Fascism is the joke, it is a politco-existential doctrine effectively consisting in para-militarisation of society which attempts to create new men serving the state and emptied of all individual subjectivity, and so has evidently strong neo-Socialist undertones. In short, it is a sophisticated variant of socialism, with a few bits lopped on or off of it.

What is all this para-militarisation bullshit? By your own logic, the USA is fascist, which it clearly is not. In a fascist society, one's independent identity only matters if it benefits the State, and therefore the people as a whole. Democracy works the same way, with the authoritarian rule of the many, over the few. Fascism was born out of socialism, but it is not a variant of socialism, for it borrows from every conceivable ideology. It is an amalgam of theories, tucked under one roof, and enforced via authoritarian, and often totalitarian rule.

I'll make it as simple as I can :

The state enslaves the individual in socialist systems and, in fascist society attempts to create a pseudo-identity which encourages him to psychologically reconfigure into his socially predetermined existence.

What nation doesn't do the same? You would prefer utter chaos reign? In a fascist society, the individual is free to do as he/she wishes, as long as it is not detrimental to the wishes of the State, which also serves the people. This is a form of individual protection, under the guise of groupthink.

That's all well and good, but the when the government has absolute and unquestioned control all their moral restraints are broken. It leads to excessive militarization and general violence.

[Der Fuhrer]

I hope this thread is a joke, Capitalism is obviously the best economic system ever created. It rewards the hardest workers and greatest achievers. Why should the less successful hold down the great and intelligent. Communism is an awful system of economics. It strips away all motivation to work hard. You work for you brothers but why not for yourself. There is no reason to work hard in a communist society, you are equal whether you are Albert Einstein or a complete idiot. Don't you think Einstein should be rewarded and praised more than the village idiot. Communism is just awful. Not good in theory or practice. Capitalism rewards the intelligent, it is the best system.

Quite right, and fascism seeks to keep capitalism under strict control, ensuring that it does not become more powerful that the State in which it operates. Democracy is a joke, and should be destroyed.

Fascism is the joke, it is a politco-existential doctrine effectively consisting in para-militarisation of society which attempts to create new men serving the state and emptied of all individual subjectivity, and so has evidently strong neo-Socialist undertones. In short, it is a sophisticated variant of socialism, with a few bits lopped on or off of it.

What is all this para-militarisation bullshit? By your own logic, the USA is fascist, which it clearly is not. In a fascist society, one's independent identity only matters if it benefits the State, and therefore the people as a whole. Democracy works the same way, with the authoritarian rule of the many, over the few. Fascism was born out of socialism, but it is not a variant of socialism, for it borrows from every conceivable ideology. It is an amalgam of theories, tucked under one roof, and enforced via authoritarian, and often totalitarian rule.

Except in fascism dissent is not allowed.

Of course not, exactly as it is not allowed in the democracies either. What is your point?

Difference between dissent not being allowed and minorities not getting what they want. BIG difference.

You are telling me that, if you were to run out a scathing diatribe against one George Bush, whilst stating you have no intention of following the rules as outlined by the democratic state, you would be free to do so, without fear of any harm? Allllrighty then!

Please don't use the typical liberal bitchtalk of 'minorities are getting the shaft'. You merely make my point when you utter such a statement, when I claim it is no different from fascism, other than the fact that, instead of one ruler being a single individual, a democracy has a large group that thinks alike, lording over those who do not think in like manner.

[radiojake]

I must go, but I enjoyed winning this debate.

id admit i think it was your ideas about 0 taxation that really did a number on the judges. I hear all kinds of people are excited to live in your society with no social services provided.

Hmmm.. no police.. interesting thought.

But yes, Risktaker you certainly take the cake today with your look out for number one mentality. Very convincing

[Tyr]

I hope this thread is a joke, Capitalism is obviously the best economic system ever created. It rewards the hardest workers and greatest achievers. Why should the less successful hold down the great and intelligent. Communism is an awful system of economics. It strips away all motivation to work hard. You work for you brothers but why not for yourself. There is no reason to work hard in a communist society, you are equal whether you are Albert Einstein or a complete idiot. Don't you think Einstein should be rewarded and praised more than the village idiot. Communism is just awful. Not good in theory or practice. Capitalism rewards the intelligent, it is the best system.

Quite right, and fascism seeks to keep capitalism under strict control, ensuring that it does not become more powerful that the State in which it operates. Democracy is a joke, and should be destroyed.

Fascism is the joke, it is a politco-existential doctrine effectively consisting in para-militarisation of society which attempts to create new men serving the state and emptied of all individual subjectivity, and so has evidently strong neo-Socialist undertones. In short, it is a sophisticated variant of socialism, with a few bits lopped on or off of it.

What is all this para-militarisation bullshit? By your own logic, the USA is fascist, which it clearly is not. In a fascist society, one's independent identity only matters if it benefits the State, and therefore the people as a whole. Democracy works the same way, with the authoritarian rule of the many, over the few. Fascism was born out of socialism, but it is not a variant of socialism, for it borrows from every conceivable ideology. It is an amalgam of theories, tucked under one roof, and enforced via authoritarian, and often totalitarian rule.

I'll make it as simple as I can :

The state enslaves the individual in socialist systems and, in fascist society attempts to create a pseudo-identity which encourages him to psychologically reconfigure into his socially predetermined existence.

What nation doesn't do the same? You would prefer utter chaos reign? In a fascist society, the individual is free to do as he/she wishes, as long as it is not detrimental to the wishes of the State, which also serves the people. This is a form of individual protection, under the guise of groupthink.

Tell me, what are you without a State? You would be a fucking anarchist, or at the very least, a scumbag libertarian. If you wish to see your boyfriend raped repeatedly, and your sister used as a bowling bowl, then be my guest, for your very post determines the stupidity that has led you to embrace chaos as your master.

number one fuckk you. you facist peice of shit. libretarianism simply means live and let live as long as your neighbor isnt shooting up a school who cares if he has gins or drugs or any other form of "contraband". just because libretarians dont want the governments nose evrywhere we go doesnt mean we are anarchists

[Der Fuhrer]

I hope this thread is a joke, Capitalism is obviously the best economic system ever created. It rewards the hardest workers and greatest achievers. Why should the less successful hold down the great and intelligent. Communism is an awful system of economics. It strips away all motivation to work hard. You work for you brothers but why not for yourself. There is no reason to work hard in a communist society, you are equal whether you are Albert Einstein or a complete idiot. Don't you think Einstein should be rewarded and praised more than the village idiot. Communism is just awful. Not good in theory or practice. Capitalism rewards the intelligent, it is the best system.

Quite right, and fascism seeks to keep capitalism under strict control, ensuring that it does not become more powerful that the State in which it operates. Democracy is a joke, and should be destroyed.

Fascism is the joke, it is a politco-existential doctrine effectively consisting in para-militarisation of society which attempts to create new men serving the state and emptied of all individual subjectivity, and so has evidently strong neo-Socialist undertones. In short, it is a sophisticated variant of socialism, with a few bits lopped on or off of it.

What is all this para-militarisation bullshit? By your own logic, the USA is fascist, which it clearly is not. In a fascist society, one's independent identity only matters if it benefits the State, and therefore the people as a whole. Democracy works the same way, with the authoritarian rule of the many, over the few. Fascism was born out of socialism, but it is not a variant of socialism, for it borrows from every conceivable ideology. It is an amalgam of theories, tucked under one roof, and enforced via authoritarian, and often totalitarian rule.

I'll make it as simple as I can :

The state enslaves the individual in socialist systems and, in fascist society attempts to create a pseudo-identity which encourages him to psychologically reconfigure into his socially predetermined existence.

What nation doesn't do the same? You would prefer utter chaos reign? In a fascist society, the individual is free to do as he/she wishes, as long as it is not detrimental to the wishes of the State, which also serves the people. This is a form of individual protection, under the guise of groupthink.

That's all well and good, but the when the government has absolute and unquestioned control all their moral restraints are broken. It leads to excessive militarization and general violence.

That's the case with all forms of government you moron. One need only have an leader who cannot be swayed by corruption, and nary a soul would complain about fascism. Think about how we, as a species, came to be civilised. You do understand that it was fascism that civilised the world yes?

[Tyr]

and here i thought it was absolutism

[Frigidus]

I hope this thread is a joke, Capitalism is obviously the best economic system ever created. It rewards the hardest workers and greatest achievers. Why should the less successful hold down the great and intelligent. Communism is an awful system of economics. It strips away all motivation to work hard. You work for you brothers but why not for yourself. There is no reason to work hard in a communist society, you are equal whether you are Albert Einstein or a complete idiot. Don't you think Einstein should be rewarded and praised more than the village idiot. Communism is just awful. Not good in theory or practice. Capitalism rewards the intelligent, it is the best system.

Quite right, and fascism seeks to keep capitalism under strict control, ensuring that it does not become more powerful that the State in which it operates. Democracy is a joke, and should be destroyed.

Fascism is the joke, it is a politco-existential doctrine effectively consisting in para-militarisation of society which attempts to create new men serving the state and emptied of all individual subjectivity, and so has evidently strong neo-Socialist undertones. In short, it is a sophisticated variant of socialism, with a few bits lopped on or off of it.

What is all this para-militarisation bullshit? By your own logic, the USA is fascist, which it clearly is not. In a fascist society, one's independent identity only matters if it benefits the State, and therefore the people as a whole. Democracy works the same way, with the authoritarian rule of the many, over the few. Fascism was born out of socialism, but it is not a variant of socialism, for it borrows from every conceivable ideology. It is an amalgam of theories, tucked under one roof, and enforced via authoritarian, and often totalitarian rule.

Except in fascism dissent is not allowed.

Of course not, exactly as it is not allowed in the democracies either. What is your point?

Difference between dissent not being allowed and minorities not getting what they want. BIG difference.

You are telling me that, if you were to run out a scathing diatribe against one George Bush, whilst stating you have no intention of following the rules as outlined by the democratic state, you would be free to do so, without fear of any harm? Allllrighty then!

Please don't use the typical liberal bitchtalk of 'minorities are getting the shaft'. You merely make my point when you utter such a statement, when I claim it is no different from fascism, other than the fact that, instead of one ruler being a single individual, a democracy has a large group that thinks alike, lording over those who do not think in like manner.

I can protest at least. I can be publically critical of my government. I can run on a scathing diatrab if I want. Of course like in all countries if I try to stop paying taxes I will likely be jailed, but I won't risk physical harm unless I try to harm someone myself. The same can't be said of facism. As for the "minorities" thing, my point was that minorities not getting their way is fair, not unfair. That said I support the minorities right to complain.

[Frigidus]

That's the case with all forms of government you moron. One need only have an leader who cannot be swayed by corruption, and nary a soul would complain about fascism. Think about how we, as a species, came to be civilised. You do understand that it was fascism that civilised the world yes?

At least with democracy a corrupt leader can be removed. Takes a coup with facism. As for civilization rising from fascism? The cultural identity of the West, as an example, was first established in Greece, a Republic. Even if that wasn't the case civilization could rise from any form of government. Dictatorship is just the simplest, and hence one of the first used, form.

[Guiscard]

You do understand that it was fascism that civilised the world yes?

[Tyr]

You do understand that it was fascism that civilised the world yes?

yeah they civilized it by getting rid of all the uncivilized subhumans obviously