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boberz wrote:DM you focus too much on your apparentknowledge that every unemployed person is fat lazy and cant be bothered and a society in which every rich person started form a humble background and worked very hard for his money. As we know this is not the case; many of the super-rich exploit people to get where they are and then stop anybody else entering tehir market using barriers to entry. I can do the purely economic talk wit you if you want and we can discuss the merits of each system.

Communists don't even believe in economics! Communism is giving all the money to all the poorest people and that is unfair because if they deserved the money then they would have earned it. Giving them money for watching Jeremy Kyle is well unfair and if I lived in a Communist world then I would slash my wrists and use the blood that came out to daub anti-communist graffiti on every wall in Moscow.

Economics hates Communism. Fact.

There is nothing you can say to prove that wrong, just accept you are wrong. Communism = Sin.

boberz wrote:I expect if we were all open we would come to the same conclusion that every democracy that has better living standards than the US has come to and say that a mixed economy (more towards socialism than the US) does provide the best provision for the country as a whole.

Rubbish, USA is the best and greatest country in the world. When that is not true then you can argue that another system is better. But right now communism is still retarded because all the communists in the world failed and beg off the USA for money. God has judged them, and given them AIDs.

boberz wrote:As i say we can commence a purely economical or purely political arguments

All of your arguments were rubbish and I have proved that and so you have lost and I have won.

Communism is still officially retarded. Also my teacher agrees with me and he has a degree in history. If you are a communist then you must be stupid and have no brain.
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This just pathetic, a grown man pretending to be a little kid, on an inernet forum, and trying to be funny by satirizing political philosophy he doesn't understand, I don't know whther I should be feeling sorry for him or laughing.
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Napoleon Ier wrote:This just pathetic, a grown man pretending to be a little kid, on an inernet forum, and trying to be funny by satirizing political philosophy he doesn't understand, I don't know whther I should be feeling sorry for him or laughing.

I hope you're laughing. After all, they say that being able to laugh at yourself is a gift Nappy, and I'm sure there must be something in this world that you can get right...


PS. Communism sucks dick. Mine to be precise.
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Napoleon Ier wrote:This just pathetic, a grown man pretending to be a little kid, on an inernet forum, and trying to be funny by satirizing political philosophy he doesn't understand, I don't know whther I should be feeling sorry for him or laughing.


People can mislead you about themselves on internet, I still remember "the Hecter case". DM if you are really pretending to be a child then you are pathetic and I laugh at you. #-o #-o #-o

So what do you have to say about yourself, young man? :twisted: :twisted:
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Dancing Mustard wrote:

PS. Communism sucks dick.


I don't know how can an idea suck dick... #-o


...but then I use porn all the time. :-^
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Snorri1234 wrote:Man, this thread was great. A whopping 230 pages with noone changing their viewpoint.


I actually converted around page 198. Unfortunately, I converted to satanism.
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Dancing Mustard wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:This just pathetic, a grown man pretending to be a little kid, on an inernet forum, and trying to be funny by satirizing political philosophy he doesn't understand, I don't know whther I should be feeling sorry for him or laughing.

I hope you're laughing. After all, they say that being able to laugh at yourself is a gift Nappy, and I'm sure there must be something in this world that you can get right...


PS. Communism sucks dick. Mine to be precise.


Yeah....ha...ha...real fucking hilarious..:?
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Napoleon, the reason capitalism works is because the majority of the population is at the bottom being raped, and their being raped makes it better for the rest of us. Very Omelas-esque.
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communism is christianity minus the god thing
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1ngliz wrote:communism is christianity minus the god thing


Not at all.
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Didn't jesus say things like.... if you have a shirt and your neighbour is naked tear it in half and give him half,sounds like communism to me.Didn't Jesus say something like,it is as difficult for a rich man to enter heaven as a camel to go through an eye of a needle,so Jesus definitely isn't a capitalist is he???he never carried a purse and cadged off the apostles who put their cash in a common pot.....communism in its purest form....not marxism i grant you
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anyway its only as stupid as saying the USA is a democracy hahahahahahahahahaha...sorry i cant stop laughing....hahahahah.....
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Communism, while a fucking idiotic idea, is not what you think it is. It does not mean equal distribution of wealth; that's anarcho-syndicalism and anarcho-communism. Regular communism merely advocates the collective ownership of the means of production (ie, factories, etc.). In a communist society, one would have to work to be fed; there are no entitlements. It's only the welfare state model pioneered by Europeans that advocates that.

Communism sucks, but it doesn't suck as hard as you think.
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Chirondom wrote:Communism, while a fucking idiotic idea, is not what you think it is. It does not mean equal distribution of wealth; that's anarcho-syndicalism and anarcho-communism. Regular communism merely advocates the collective ownership of the means of production (ie, factories, etc.). In a communist society, one would have to work to be fed; there are no entitlements. It's only the welfare state model pioneered by Europeans that advocates that.

Communism sucks, but it doesn't suck as hard as you think.


You are talking about Marxism often confused with communism,though Marxists describe themselves as communist,it's the same as catholics describe themselves as christians.
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1ngliz wrote:
Chirondom wrote:Communism, while a fucking idiotic idea, is not what you think it is. It does not mean equal distribution of wealth; that's anarcho-syndicalism and anarcho-communism. Regular communism merely advocates the collective ownership of the means of production (ie, factories, etc.). In a communist society, one would have to work to be fed; there are no entitlements. It's only the welfare state model pioneered by Europeans that advocates that.

Communism sucks, but it doesn't suck as hard as you think.


You are talking about Marxism often confused with communism,though Marxists describe themselves as communist,it's the same as catholics describe themselves as christians.
For one, Catholics are Christian, and it's ignorant and insulting to say otherwise . Christianity requires the recognition of Jesus Christ as the Messiah, and Catholics fufil that requirement quite well. For two, Marx started communism, and by definition his work is red.

Marxism advocates the end of the state, which is not what I was talking about. Marxism advocates collective ownership, and is closer to anarchist communism (you'll hear some anarchists claiming that state communists aren't, and are rather socialists, but that's rather bullshit) than Marxist-Lenninism.

I am talking about Marxist-Lenninism, when, in theory, advocates collective ownership throuhg the state. The state, of course, isn't actually collective.

Communism does not require equality, it only requires the lack of private ownership of the means of production.
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Anarcho-syndicalism is communism.The reason anarchy is unattainable is that it requires organisation to achieve it ,hierachy,which is why they became tools of the marxist-leninists.Marxist-leninists are not communists they ARE socialists.The proletariat believed they were communists the leadership were not.
The Catholic church is not christian, if it were it would have sold its treasure and given it to the poor etc,this doesn't stop the laiety believing and trying to lead a christian life.
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1ngliz wrote:The Catholic church is not christian, if it were it would have sold its treasure and given it to the poor etc,this doesn't stop the laiety believing and trying to lead a christian life.


There are only a handful of Christians who follow all the precepts of Christianity...you'd have to exclude the majority of the world.
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Frigidus wrote:
1ngliz wrote:The Catholic church is not christian, if it were it would have sold its treasure and given it to the poor etc,this doesn't stop the laiety believing and trying to lead a christian life.


There are only a handful of Christians who follow all the precepts of Christianity...


Even those Xians don't last long since it's wrong to copulate (at least with lust).
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1ngliz wrote:Anarcho-syndicalism is communism.The reason anarchy is unattainable is that it requires organisation to achieve it ,hierachy,which is why they became tools of the marxist-leninists.Marxist-leninists are not communists they ARE socialists.The proletariat believed they were communists the leadership were not.


Marx's history of the world: We are now at capitalism, over time we develop into socialism (he coins this word) where there is the government and the people but the people are not spread far apart by class as they are today, and from there into communism (he also coins this word) where everybody is essentially the same. So really he was trying to offer an objective view of how he thinks the world will develop.
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I blame it all on St. Paul.The Catholic Church is more paulian than christian
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1ngliz wrote:I blame it all on St. Paul.The Catholic Church is more paulian than christian


Whatever. Christ probably didn't exist anyways.
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There were at least 6 jesus's last time I counted[Apochrypha,Dio Cassius,
& Josephus].I might have missed a few .
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I once too would have insisted that Marxist-Lennists weren't reds, but for the sake of popular opinion, they are. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck.

Anyway, Anarcho-reds still don't believe in equality. If you don't work, you're not going to get fed, etc. And no Church obeys your "requirements" for Christianity, so really, you're wrong.
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I was just making the point that just because you label yourself doesn't mean you are.As for equality I never said communism made people equal "From each according to his ability,To each according to his needs".As all peoples abilities are different so are their needs.
Also just because other people give you a label doesn't mean you are either
The fascists called themselves socialists they were not.
The ignorant call Marxist-Leninists communists they are not
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1ngliz wrote:I was just making the point that just because you label yourself doesn't mean you are.As for equality I never said communism made people equal "From each according to his ability,To each according to his needs".As all peoples abilities are different so are their needs.
Also just because other people give you a label doesn't mean you are either
The fascists called themselves socialists they were not.
The ignorant call Marxist-Leninists communists they are not
Fascists are socialists, because all socialism means is any non-capitalist, non-feudalistic economy. Socialism covers a wide, wide variety of government types.

And I don't care if some hippy freaks want to hijack the meaning of the word communism. For the last century, communism has meant Marxist-lenninism and Maoism. Unless you are willing to admit that the US is not capitalist because the free market does not exist, ie, there is still government regulation, than, marxist-lennism is indeed red.
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The U.S. is FASCIST not capitalist therefore,according to your argument, the U.S is a socialist state Your argument is very amusing.
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