Dancing Mustard wrote:boberz wrote:DM you focus too much on your apparentknowledge that every unemployed person is fat lazy and cant be bothered and a society in which every rich person started form a humble background and worked very hard for his money. As we know this is not the case; many of the super-rich exploit people to get where they are and then stop anybody else entering tehir market using barriers to entry. I can do the purely economic talk wit you if you want and we can discuss the merits of each system.
Communists don't even believe in economics! Communism is giving all the money to all the poorest people and that is unfair because if they deserved the money then they would have earned it. Giving them money for watching Jeremy Kyle is well unfair and if I lived in a Communist world then I would slash my wrists and use the blood that came out to daub anti-communist graffiti on every wall in Moscow.
Economics hates Communism. Fact.
There is nothing you can say to prove that wrong, just accept you are wrong. Communism = Sin.boberz wrote:I expect if we were all open we would come to the same conclusion that every democracy that has better living standards than the US has come to and say that a mixed economy (more towards socialism than the US) does provide the best provision for the country as a whole.
Rubbish, USA is the best and greatest country in the world. When that is not true then you can argue that another system is better. But right now communism is still retarded because all the communists in the world failed and beg off the USA for money. God has judged them, and given them AIDs.boberz wrote:As i say we can commence a purely economical or purely political arguments
All of your arguments were rubbish and I have proved that and so you have lost and I have won.
Communism is still officially retarded. Also my teacher agrees with me and he has a degree in history. If you are a communist then you must be stupid and have no brain.
Communists dont believe in economics; that is completely hilarious. So all you learn about in any economics class is free market economics, either your teaching is crap or you dont listen. Of course economics is highly relevent to communism; Marx himself wazs debateably one of the best economists before John M Keynes. Communists do not believe in giving the poor your money, they believe in taking your money and building a hospital for everyone. It requires a complete rewiring of the human brain to see you would be working for the state not the individual. Whilst i agree with mass opinion it doesnt work your understanding of it is ompletely swayed towards the capitalist side. I can give you a more longwinded technical answet to the economics question if you want but i dont think you would like it
US does not have the greatest living standards, which is what i mentioned (considering communism is about raising living standards)
http://www.citymayors.com/features/quality_survey.html
this uses the mercer sytem which is highly rated in economics. Highest US city 27th, 6 German cities above you. I am not saying this is conclusive but every test turns out similar to this, US have amazing GDP but cant spread tht in any way (even thropugh capitialism) to ensure that all their population suffers. As we have all stated sommunism cant really work certainly not in past cases. Yet communism has never been tried properly; there were seven stages to Marxist principle no communist example completed more thn four of these. AS for them all bveing screwed up you wont be saying that if you need to speak mandarin to so business around the world (i understand they are not purely ommunist but they are a lot more than the US).
I cannot believe your teacher taught you half of those views if he did he is crap. But i expect especially if he has a degree in history he was able to tell you why communism broke down exactly what the real aims of communism are and at least give a balanced opinion as to how some non-(pure capitalist) countries can actually be slightly better than the US
On to the more recent discussion: I dont think all facist are socialist because whilst you are correct in how the terms originate chirondom, the terms are now used more commonly to differenciate from each other; a socialist state now means one in which the state makes extensive provision (the definition does not usually include oprresion associated with communism). Most countries now live in a mixed economy so some socialist ideas but some of free market as well. The US are as near to capitalism as you can get without causing too much unrest; here it is important to distinguish between markets and in the US there many free market markets both good and bad.
I shall give my opinion on that marxist-communist thing. Communist tried to be marxist; failed cooould not fulfill what marx predicted but even so they still attempted and tried to follow priinciple then got corrupted.
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