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Who is the Beast of Revelation?

 
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OnlyAmbrose wrote:Now I'm not one to bash Bible prophecy, but anagrams? I mean, Revelation wasn't written in English, or even with a 26-letter alphabet. Now that you mention it, Osama bin Laden isn't an English or 26-letter name either.

Bible prophecy fascinates me, and I'm certainly all for learning about it, but I think you're grasping at straws with this one.


In addition to all the telling of the end times, the Bible also says that we simply won't know when it will come to pass. We don't, will not, never will until it happens. Sorry to burst your bubble, but no means no.

As for the Anti-Christ being of Roman descent, that could mean any one of several dozen European countries and most of the Levant and North Africa. Mostly likely he'll (she'll?) be from Italy or some other medditteranean country. That's abouty as far as I'll go on this 'prophesy code' bunk.
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I think this has something to do with Bible Prophecy. If you got a couple hours to spare, everyone should watch this vid!

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Now, then it's time to update my position:

The beast could very well be the Roman government b/c it was corrupt and the first ruler was Latinus or Lateinos which using the numerical equivalents it equals 666. It could also be the name of the first bishop given the title "Pope" (Leo 1). I'd pick Lateinos because the original audience was familiar with him and this seems to be a riddle for them to figure out.
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Mr_Adams wrote:
unriggable wrote:
Spockers wrote:
The Factory wrote:Time is linear


According to who?


Anybody with half a brain.


And only people with half a brain. Sience has no way to judge if time is linear, just as from about the time the speed of sound was calculated, scientists said man couldn't achieve that speed. Now we have. just because we can't prove time isn't linear doesn't mean it is. We may one day be able to bend time (though I VERY highly doubt it...)
Still claiming time is linear is like claiming the speed of light is constant.


Because you know more than hundreds of years of physics...
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Screw physics. You don't need physics to say that time isn't necessarily linear.

In fact, you don't need anything more than half a brain.
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svtoflord wrote:I have reason to believe that this beast could mean something else. If you've studied the OT then you may know more about what Revelations means. Revelations was mainly written by John to those Jews who became Christians. These Christians knew and understood a lot about prophecy. Therefore, most of this probably already happened. I'll explain more soon as soon as I study more. But I think that the beast could be just about anyone with 666. That's his mark if I am correct. Therefore, whatever uses that number or their name equals that if you count how many letters it takes to get to that number, then he/she/them probably resemble the beast. (No offence, Catholics but this may threaten you) Some say that the Catholic church resembles the beast. I will give you more reasons but I'm just giving info as I remember what I studied.


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InkL0sed wrote:Screw physics. You don't need physics to say that time isn't necessarily linear.


Well then I can say gravity doesn't exist and you would have no proof to suggest otherwise.
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Gravity is a measure of attraction between obejcts, so exists in that it can be measured.

But as something that you can see or touch or whether it is waves or particles (or both) is debatable.

unlike time.
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fireedud wrote:
svtoflord wrote:I have reason to believe that this beast could mean something else. If you've studied the OT then you may know more about what Revelations means. Revelations was mainly written by John to those Jews who became Christians. These Christians knew and understood a lot about prophecy. Therefore, most of this probably already happened. I'll explain more soon as soon as I study more. But I think that the beast could be just about anyone with 666. That's his mark if I am correct. Therefore, whatever uses that number or their name equals that if you count how many letters it takes to get to that number, then he/she/them probably resemble the beast. (No offence, Catholics but this may threaten you) Some say that the Catholic church resembles the beast. I will give you more reasons but I'm just giving info as I remember what I studied.


YES< the magisterium is evil- just read the His Dark Materials Trilogy.


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Spockers wrote:Gravity is a measure of attraction between obejcts, so exists in that it can be measured.


But you can feel time move forward and it is impossible to manipulate that, so I could just as easily cite that is proof.
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you can "feel" only the effects of time. gravity has been studied extensivly. Time can not be manipulated by man, so we can't say whether it is linear or not.
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unriggable wrote:
Spockers wrote:Gravity is a measure of attraction between obejcts, so exists in that it can be measured.


But you can feel time move forward and it is impossible to manipulate that, so I could just as easily cite that is proof.


No. what you call time is a measurement between something happening, then something else happening. Like the sun going up, then going down.

It is a man made concept to explain why something happens and give it a reference to when something else happens.

There is no physical aspect to it, like there is with gravity (ie: attraction)
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I think the EU is the Beast that comes from the sea.
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DaGip wrote:I think the EU is the Beast that comes from the sea.



I think he will rise in the EU and rule over it.
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Given that the people in question were enslaved by the Roman Empire, that 'beast' would seem most obvious. Of course such a mundane explanation will never satisfy those who have need of some kind of supernatural angle that can be manipulated to their advantage.
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unriggable wrote:
Spockers wrote:Gravity is a measure of attraction between obejcts, so exists in that it can be measured.


But you can feel time move forward and it is impossible to manipulate that, so I could just as easily cite that is proof.


No you can't.. you can "feel" particular things happening and lable the distance between then as "time".

you can't actually feel time... or see it or feel it or taste it or touch it.
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Yep, guess I was bored, I read it, wierd.... That is all I have to say
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Spockers wrote:you can't actually feel time... or see it or feel it or taste it or touch it.


Well, guess that rules out God, since I can't see, feel, taste or touch him, which then makes biblical prophecy (as well as most everything else in the bible) crap.
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The Factory wrote:
Spockers wrote:you can't actually feel time... or see it or feel it or taste it or touch it.


Well, guess that rules out God, since I can't see, feel, taste or touch him, which then makes biblical prophecy (as well as most everything else in the bible) crap.



Are you saying that since you can't see, feel, taste or touch time, that it doesn't exist? And then drawing the conclusion that God meets these requirements as well and therefore doesn't exist either?


Then here is a list of other things that do not exist:


Love
Hate
Gravity
Molecules
Oxygen
Carbon Dioxide
Your Past
Your Future
Thought
(let me know when you have enough evidence to render your reasoning absurd)

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jay_a2j wrote:Are you saying that since you can't see, feel, taste or touch time, that it doesn't exist? And then drawing the conclusion that God meets these requirements as well and therefore doesn't exist either?


Then here is a list of other things that do not exist:


Love (feel)
Hate (feel)
Gravity (proven via physics, see)
Molecules (see)
Oxygen (see)
Carbon Dioxide (see)
Your Past (memory)
Your Future (doesn't exist...yet, proof that time is linear)
Thought (feel)
(let me know when you have enough evidence to render your reasoning absurd)

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unriggable wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Are you saying that since you can't see, feel, taste or touch time, that it doesn't exist? And then drawing the conclusion that God meets these requirements as well and therefore doesn't exist either?


Then here is a list of other things that do not exist:


Love (feel)
Hate (feel)
Gravity (proven via physics, see)
Molecules (see)
Oxygen (see)
Carbon Dioxide (see)
Your Past (memory)
Your Future (doesn't exist...yet, proof that time is linear)
Thought (feel)
(let me know when you have enough evidence to render your reasoning absurd)

:roll:



I'm not going to waste time going through it but on all counts....WRONG!
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Unriggable ...


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A cinammon bun that is quite clearly in the image of Mother Teresa. How does your so called "science" explain that ? Hmm?

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AlgyTaylor wrote:Unriggable ...


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A cinammon bun that is quite clearly in the image of Mother Teresa. How does your so called "science" explain that ? Hmm?

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The same way you explain a rorschach test...

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jay_a2j wrote:Are you saying that since you can't see, feel, taste or touch time, that it doesn't exist? And then drawing the conclusion that God meets these requirements as well and therefore doesn't exist either?


Then here is a list of other things that do not exist:


Love
Hate
Gravity
Molecules
Oxygen
Carbon Dioxide
Your Past
Your Future
Thought
(let me know when you have enough evidence to render your reasoning absurd)

:roll:

I love you Jay, I really do. Your ineptitude is truly astounding.

Love, hate, gravity, molecules, oxyden, carbon dioxide, thought - can all be shown scientifically to exist.

Past and future are subjective ideas of time. As far as I know we can't yet 'prove' that time exists (feel free to correct me on that, anyone), so that's quite a hard one. But *given* that time exists, the past and the future do exist subjectively.


However, there is absolutely no scientific proof that god exists - merely things that you don't understand. Which *may* be caused by 'God', but equally may not have been caused by a supernatural deity. We don't know. Just because we don't know something doesn't mean that 'God' did it :roll:
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jay_a2j wrote:
unriggable wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Are you saying that since you can't see, feel, taste or touch time, that it doesn't exist? And then drawing the conclusion that God meets these requirements as well and therefore doesn't exist either?


Then here is a list of other things that do not exist:


Love (feel)
Hate (feel)
Gravity (proven via physics, see)
Molecules (see)
Oxygen (see)
Carbon Dioxide (see)
Your Past (memory)
Your Future (doesn't exist...yet, proof that time is linear)
Thought (feel)
(let me know when you have enough evidence to render your reasoning absurd)

:roll:



I'm not going to waste time going through it but on all counts....WRONG!


Prove me wrong then.
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