If homosexuality is a choice...

[Army of GOD]

Also, I didn't know you could speak to animals and listen to them speak about how harmful fucking a human is.

ARE YOU DR. DOLITTLE??? CAN I HAZ AUTOGRAPHZ?

I've also never never heard an animal complain about being kicked but it is reasonable to anthropomorphise to the extent that they don't like it.

There are very few humans that enjoy being kicked. A fucking lot of humans enjoy sex. Try again.

[chang50]

Alright. So let's say a 18 year old wants to f*ck a 15 year old and the 15 year old agrees. Should the 18 year old go to jail?

That would depend on the legal age of consent in the country concerned,the previous criminal record of the 18 year old,etc,etc.

New York, sweetums.

Sorry I forgot the us is the default position on this forum... if New York law sends the person to jail after due process,then fair enough.

[Army of GOD]

Alright. So let's say a 18 year old wants to f*ck a 15 year old and the 15 year old agrees. Should the 18 year old go to jail?

That would depend on the legal age of consent in the country concerned,the previous criminal record of the 18 year old,etc,etc.

New York, sweetums.

Sorry I forgot the us is the default position on this forum... if New York law sends the person to jail after due process,then fair enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDW0ZnZx ... re=related

[chang50]

Also, I didn't know you could speak to animals and listen to them speak about how harmful fucking a human is.

ARE YOU DR. DOLITTLE??? CAN I HAZ AUTOGRAPHZ?

I've also never never heard an animal complain about being kicked but it is reasonable to anthropomorphise to the extent that they don't like it.

There are very few humans that enjoy being kicked. A fucking lot of humans enjoy sex. Try again.

I would try again if you made a coherent statement I could respond to.

[Army of GOD]

Alright, so if whatever lame country you're from made a law that would imprison anyone who committed homosexual acts, you'd be for that, right?

[chang50]

Alright, so if whatever lame country you're from made a law that would imprison anyone who committed homosexual acts, you'd be for that, right?

No of course not..

[Army of GOD]

Alright, so if whatever lame country you're from made a law that would imprison anyone who committed homosexual acts, you'd be for that, right?

No of course not..

And you seriously don't see the hypocrisy...?

Hey, baby, let me ask you a question. Do you think people who are attracted to young children or animals choose to be that way?

[chang50]

Alright, so if whatever lame country you're from made a law that would imprison anyone who committed homosexual acts, you'd be for that, right?

No of course not..

And you seriously don't see the hypocrisy...?

Hey, baby, let me ask you a question. Do you think people who are attracted to young children or animals choose to be that way?

What hypocrisy,you can still follow the law without agreeing with it????
It's probable some people choose and some don't,impossible to know for certain..

[Army of GOD]

Alright, so if whatever lame country you're from made a law that would imprison anyone who committed homosexual acts, you'd be for that, right?

No of course not..

And you seriously don't see the hypocrisy...?

Hey, baby, let me ask you a question. Do you think people who are attracted to young children or animals choose to be that way?

What hypocrisy,you can still follow the law without agreeing with it????
It's probable some people choose and some don't,impossible to know for certain..

Alright. I know you're from Thailand, and I don't know any Thai, but I'll try to speak Bangla (or Bengali) to you (they should be close to the same. My girlfriend taught me some).


ami tomakeh bhalobashi

[saxitoxin]

I'm not sure which side AoG is on, but I'm pretty sure he just demolished chang50 and won the fucking thread. (Even if he did have to make-up the part about having a girlfriend.)

[chang50]

I'm not sure which side AoG is on, but I'm pretty sure he just demolished chang50 and won the fucking thread. (Even if he did have to make-up the part about having a girlfriend.)

Yep,sometimes you just have to hold up your hands and admit it,I was trounced by a superior argument delivered by a superior mind.I will endeavour to be less foolish in future

[saxitoxin]

I was trounced

true

by a superior argument

true

delivered by a superior mind

true

I will endeavour to be less foolish in future

time will tell

[Army of GOD]

[rdsrds2120]

Is homosexuality a choice?

Yes for some no for others.

-rd

[KernowWarrior]

Jesus hates gays.. Enough said

Please quote the exact verse in the bible, where he says he hates gays.

As one gay man said to me 'Jesus hung out with 12 men and a prostitute, he more like a gay man than a straight one.'

Seriously though, please tell me where in the bible it says that he hates gays!

Good luck finding the verse. it doesn't exist.

Still waiting..........., or were you just quoting someone, who was quoting someone, who was quoting someone or did you actually research your statement!

[Victor Sullivan]

Is homosexuality a choice?

Yes for some no for others.

-rd

How so?

-Sully

[JBlombier]

Still waiting..........., or were you just quoting someone, who was quoting someone, who was quoting someone or did you actually research your statement!

He's not gonna find it, you know that, why bother. Suppose he would find it in the Bible, he'd still be quoting someone, who has been quoted by someone, etc. The Bible is one of the least objective books to use for "research of a statement".

Is homosexuality a choice?

Yes for some no for others.

-rd

I disagree, I think it's No for everyone. I could choose to "act gay", but that wouldn't make me gay. In my heart I would know that, eventhough others probably would think I'm homosexual. But the actual sexual orientation can't be chosen. At least, that's my opinion. I've met a fair share of homosexual (wo)men and they were quite clear about this: did you choose to be heterosexual? Neither did we.

[Army of GOD]

did you choose to be heterosexual?

I cannot wait until he answers this.

[rdsrds2120]

Is homosexuality a choice?

Yes for some no for others.

-rd

I disagree, I think it's No for everyone. I could choose to "act gay", but that wouldn't make me gay. In my heart I would know that, eventhough others probably would think I'm homosexual. But the actual sexual orientation can't be chosen. At least, that's my opinion. I've met a fair share of homosexual (wo)men and they were quite clear about this: did you choose to be heterosexual? Neither did we.

The 'yes' part was more/less to include bisexual people who choose a same-sex partner for any given period of time, in which case that moment is chosen homosexuality Do I think they had chosen their orientation as bisexual? Of course not. I think we both agree on the issue

-rd

[BigBallinStalin]

I just wonder sometimes...

what kind of message does CC send to it's customers, when they allow such a hate-filled, bigoted individual to be in a moderator position?

If someone on Team CC was out here on the forums, telling people how he thinks "n***rs should all be hanged", would (or should) he be allowed to continue in his position?

How is that a difficult question? Nobody chooses the degree of their bisexuality either.

so are you telling me that a woman can be straight her whole life up to 30 years old, married with kids, and one day meets a beautiful woman who hits on her, and they sleep together, one time.

She was born a bisexual?

There are degrees of bisexuality. She was born with her sexual orientation, whatever it happens to be. In any case, anything is possible. She might very well have been a closet lesbian the entire time. Your hypothetical situation is meaningless.

Honestly though guys, this is pathetic. All of the stuff I've been saying is easily googlable. If you really want to know about it, you can educate yourselves. Stop being so goddamn lazy.

It's just another excuse for people to do whatever they want to do and then force everybody else to accept their choice of lifestyles.

Although natty_dread was engaging in the Pastime of Hyperbole, we should have another gander at NS' comment.


What does such a statement say about the user?

[daddy1gringo]

Part of the reason we don't get anywhere and just end up flaming each other is that both sides' arguments get over-simplified, and that is done by both their proponents and opponents. Does anybody actually believe that it's completely a choice, always, and that there is no biological or environmental influence? I don't. Also, does anybody actually believe that it is just completely genetically hard-wired, always, and there is no environmental and behavioral influence?

As I said in another thread, the reasons why a person finds themselves sexually attracted to people of the same sex (or the opposite sex, or to no one but their spouse, or to blondes, or to the illegally young, or to inflatables, or ducks, or whatever), is a complex combination of factors. Trying to argue that it is just one thing just leads to absurdity, no matter which extreme one is going to.

[Victor Sullivan]

There is choice involved in homosexuality, but it's not whether or not a guy likes guys or gals, it's whether he chooses to act on his sexual attraction. You can't really choose to not be attracted to men or women.

-Sully

It's as simple as it gets!

-Sully

[thegreekdog]

When did you decide to be straight?

I did not make a conscious decision.

Did you balance the options?

I did not.

Does this seem like a difficult question?

No.

Are you feeling that you never actually made a conscious decision to be heterosexual?

Yes, I am. How did you know?

Do you think at this point that maybe homosexuals went through the same thing as you, and maybe, just maybe, didn't make a choice about who they were attracted to?

I'm not sure. I can only provide anecdotal evidence which is all over the place.

If you believe homosexuality is a choice, explain how you dealt with that decision between gay and straight in you own life. What were the temptations?

I don't know whether homosexuality is a choice or not. I haven't studied it because it doesn't really make a difference to me from a policy perspective.

However, because nearly all of the people I grew up with and around when I was going through the "sexual change" were straight, my decision was made because of cultural and societal reasons I suppose. I have never been attracted to a man. I have never wanted to have sex with a man. I'm not sure if there is a biological reason or if it is a societal or cultural reason. There were a variety of cultures that engaged in gay sex on a regular basis, in addition to engaging in heterosexual sex for procreation purposes. I suppose in that particular culture and in that particular time in history, gay sex was more acceptable than it is now. Therefore, I suppose no choice was required to be made back then because all choices were open.

Also, I'd be surprised if some answers to this question (I didn't read the responses in this thread because I've read them all before) were "engaging in gay sex is a choice."

[PLAYER57832]

Part of the reason we don't get anywhere and just end up flaming each other is that both sides' arguments get over-simplified, and that is done by both their proponents and opponents. Does anybody actually believe that it's completely a choice, always, and that there is no biological or environmental influence? I don't. Also, does anybody actually believe that it is just completely genetically hard-wired, always, and there is no environmental and behavioral influence?

As I said in another thread, the reasons why a person finds themselves sexually attracted to people of the same sex (or the opposite sex, or to no one but their spouse, or to blondes, or to the illegally young, or to inflatables, or ducks, or whatever), is a complex combination of factors. Trying to argue that it is just one thing just leads to absurdity, no matter which extreme one is going to.

Except, the truth is it really doesn't matter if it IS a choice or not. We are supposed to be a society of freedom. The only reason to prohibit something is if it will cause other's harm. THAT is the problem with the arguments against homosexuality. The "harm" is "soul harm". It is something some people believe to be wrong. (I am not getting into the specific biblical debate, just acknowledging it) However, we generally don't allow one person here to tell another how to live or not live. We offer protection against ALL modes of believing and being.

The question is what is so terrible about homosexuality that it is to be an exception.

[Woodruff]

If homosexuality was not learned, then there would not be an effort to teach homosexuality in schools.

I don't know of a single school that is "teaching homosexuality" and I'm pretty sure you can't point to one either, you knuckle-dragging moron.