jay_a2j wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:jay_a2j wrote:AAFitz wrote:its as believable as the universe being created in 24 hours....oh, but wait...you have proof of that...
Start by taking God out of the box you have Him in.
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Which box, Jay?
I think I see more than one ....
The one that is limiting God so that He can't create the world in 24 hours. He's God! He could have created it in 24 seconds if He chose to.
And yeah, there are a lot of boxes that everyone is probably guilty of putting God into at one time or another, myself included.
Well, In that case, I NEVER put God in a box then. I never suggested that he couldnt create the earth in 24 hours. Further, I think its silly to think that it would have taken a full 24 hours. However, I was suggesting that it was not as believable from a rational or logical stand point to think thats how it happened. Certainly, for anyone who doesnt believe in your version of god, that did put it together in a few days, would never suspect thats how it happened...
The point of my posts were from a logical, rational, unbiased approach...while fully aware that and omnipotent god can do anything. Granted, there are some things that cannot be done from a logical perspective. God cannot commit an evil sin and then be good, and then absent of all evil. He can not make himself not exist and erase himself for all time, and then come back. So, God is in a box already. But thats irrelevant.
In the end, my definition of god, will ironically be a much bigger box than the one you have put him in. For unlike you, I am not constrained by any beliefs, where as you are. You are tied to a book, that you assume God wrote, but which could just as easily have been written by men, and simply inspired by God. You have put god in a box that suggests he must have made the world in 6 days, and put all the plants and animals here all at once, where as my box allows far more room. I believe that if God exists, he created the fundamental building blocks of the universe as we see them, with all its infinite complextity, and started the process billions of years ago, a mere blink of an eye to him. I believe he allowed everything in nature to happen naturally, fully knowing how everything will work out, because in the end, creating something in six days may seem amazing, but letting it develop naturally from an infinitely tiny point in the universe, to explode into the universe now, to create suns, black holes, galaxies, planets, and subsequently plants and animals on this planet, and perhaps more, allow life to simply happen very slowly, and evolve into the infinitely complex world we have today..that is truly amazing. That is the work of a real God. To think he must have done it in 6 days in an order that defies any logic or reason, simply because some people thousands of years decided that must have happened...well...thats a tiny little box you put him into.... Mine is much larger, and I dont even believe in him anymore, and I still give him more credit than you do. You dont even seem to think he was creative enough to allow evolution occur, simply because your imagination can't get around the process because its so complex. Of course, thats the box youve put you and your God into isnt it? If evolution happened over millions of years, then that kind of makes your beliefs kind of silly....I dont believe you for not believing in evolution. You have a nice little box...and im sure you feel really safe in it. I just bet you wish there were less windows in your box, because as dedicated as you are, im sure in that time just before you wake up, and your rational mind is at its best....you get hit with flashes of the world that scare the hell out of you. Enjoy your box jay. I fully respect it. But I need more room, thank you very much....Besides, I feel any God that created what we see today, deserves much more credit than you give him. He set up a process that we cant possibly imagine that happened exactly as he planned...and you have to go ahead and simplify it to 6 days, and then have the audacity to think that was somehow more amazing.
And let me give you an analogy here, just so you can see how much youve taken away from God. The most beautiful thing two people on earth can do is create a child and raise them. They are on earth for lets say 80 years. The process is very slow, and very time consuming. It takes years of love and instruction to let that child grow into the person he is. Lets say you have done all this, and you have just a great person that everyone respects. Not flawless, but perfect as parents could ever hope for.
Now, the people next door dont want to wait. They are powerful. They make him, teach him, and age him to be an equally perfect person for them, similar in many ways...but they do it in 6 days. Now tell me, which is more amazing?
Take god out of the box you have him jay.
