Battle of the Bulge - CLOSED

[Leehar]

I think whether it's a sk or vig is largely irrelevant. He benefited town so he's cool in my book, and all we should do is remind him (if he's vig) that it isn't usually good to kill because there's greater chance of hurting town than helping when the odds are against and only to kill when there's a strong scum-vibe as Saf said yesterday. tbh tho it isn't really dissimilar to the D1 kill that we did yesterday which seemed to be killing for the sake of killing.
And since dazza was on that wagon as well, we can presume that scum so that as an easy lynch as long as it wasn't them?

However, I think other than somewhat clearing saf, gimli and ragian as those he felt free to cast suspicion on, I think thats about it for what we can gain from his death info-wise.

So I'd also like to look at the other angle that Doom raised about why scum would want to kill /
I'd like to look more into the counter-argument and his guesses insofar as that perhaps being why he was targetted (for asking uncomfortable questions?)

[safariguy5]

In my experiences as mod and player, weapon choice doesn't really reflect SKer/vig. If anything, in a themed game, the flavor of the killer would influence weapon choice more than anything.

For example, if Wolverine was a town vig in an X-Men game, you would expect 3 holes in his victim in a night scene to reflect his claw kills. So no, don't think we can really determine whether it's a vig or a SKer at this point.

Also, given the difficulty of discerning from one night's data, we must also remember that vig is a very tempting role to play, as it's a very powerful night action. Noob vigs can be almost indistinguishable from SKer's simply because vigs can get pretty trigger happy.

[chapcrap]

I agree with safariguy5.

Whether or not it's an SK or vig is of little import at this point. Are we going to have another day where no one can agree on who is scummiest the whole day or what?

I feel like someone should have some information to lead some kind of case with...

[Some7hingCLEVER]

I don't remember there being any heat on dazza. I doubt the vig would've shot last night unless he was a n00b who didn't know not to shoot N1, was overeager vig, or was a veteran who had a pretty good idea that dazza was mafia. Either that or we have a busdriver, but the scene doesn't say much about a busdriver. If it's the vig, I'm guessing he's new to his role. I think it points to more of an SK (this is WWII, what could an SK do with a knife in a gun fight?), and with a game this size it wouldn't surprise me. It's possible it was the vig, but I'm guessing SK. Is S7C here? I think it's him.

-SG7 ( )

dang...you caught me...

[Ragian]

I was just invoking my (little) experience as I've never seen an SK with anything but a knife. Also, I don't get what an SK would do at the Battle of te Bulge - get your arse into town. The reason I think it was important to discuss was to let any vig out there know that he/she shouldn't kill for the sake of killing.

But yes, let's drop this point ... ahm ... so ... who looks guilty? I'm as torn as yesterday

[everywhere116]

Well, we could look at the list from yesterday. The highest was safari, but we already got a claim from him. Next is gordon, then new guy. I think that's as good a point as any.

Vote new guy for pressure.

[Leehar]

I feel like someone should have some information to lead some kind of case with...

Why are you so eager to get someone else to lead a case with info?
Vote Chap because it seems like scummy intel gathering you just wanted to slip in there to get people to exposed themselves needlessly

[pmchugh]

I have a few thoughts on the sk/vig theme but I don't think it is particularly pertinent atm.

Instead I think we should look at back on our day 1 info and combine it with the scene info. Unfortunately we made a ridiculous error yesterday.. we got a list from every single player except from dazza

Ragian was the only one to nominate him but I don't think it says much about him tbh. I am still suspicious of saf slightly, especially since he was inactive hunting and never picked up on dazza.

Looking at / his posts don't reveal too much IMO:

My top three, by suspicion would include jak, because frankly I don't believe his claimed name or special ability, but I will leave him redacted from the list because it is the type of thing that needs later confirmation and definitely not a lynch at this point.

The true three would be
Jgordon, obviously, I still believe the most info can be gained from his death, and it is possible he is scum, if not now we will probably lose him through the cracks until endgame, and be in a situation similar to what PMC described.

everywhere116, doesn't really contribute much beyond the occasional quip, his last serious vote, as I have noted panned out poorly, and wasn't thought through seemingly.

Safari, I find it odd to pressure the replacement like that out of nowhere, there are cases abound that will actually generate data because there have been tons of posts, I wonder if there is a reason he wants to detract from them and on to a completely random case on someone with no in game posts, besides supposedly not reading fast enough. One would think someone so read up would have an actual case by P.50


newguy narrowly is bumped down to fourth, for the reasons I mentioned a few pages back, and possibly for trying to prematurely put that line to bed. (ie: saying in advance "that's all I have to say" then literally not responding further, moving on to the definition of "OMGUS")

The only nomination for / was by leehar for apparently submarining.

I am slightly disappointed by the lack of info left because we only really got /'s opinions and I trust no one but my own opinions

What is everyones thoughts on safari after sleeping on it?

[jak111]

Saf seems legit for today still. However, I'd like the Chap case to resurface because I feel there's a LOT to be gained from him.

~ He's over eager to get information.
~ He doesn't want that information to be from him.
~ He has a cocky attitude of 'I won't be lynched, town won't lynch me'
~ He was one of the top choices, oddly enough everyone bugged off from him when he was throwing accusations out yet not being able to take any pressure from JG and I.
~ He expects cases made for him.
~ He's in general inactive unless he's making excuses, asking others to make a case, or trying to seem active to subside pressure on him.

Really, there's much potential of outting whatever chap is, because he seems over eager for others to make cases for him to follow like a sheep. Yet whenever a case is made on him he comes up with excuses, not really a guy I want/need if it comes down to only a few townies versus a few mafia. Because by then we'd need everyone's participation and he doesn't seem that eager to get his hands dirty for the pay off it could receive. Is a shady character like Chap really someone anyone here wants to take into the final few days?

[chapcrap]

I feel like someone should have some information to lead some kind of case with...

Why are you so eager to get someone else to lead a case with info?
Vote Chap because it seems like scummy intel gathering you just wanted to slip in there to get people to exposed themselves needlessly

Leading a case with information you have doesn't mean you have to reveal your information. I just have no case to lead at the moment.

Saf seems legit for today still. However, I'd like the Chap case to resurface because I feel there's a LOT to be gained from him.

~ He's over eager to get information.
~ He doesn't want that information to be from him.
~ He has a cocky attitude of 'I won't be lynched, town won't lynch me'
~ He was one of the top choices, oddly enough everyone bugged off from him when he was throwing accusations out yet not being able to take any pressure from JG and I.
~ He expects cases made for him.
~ He's in general inactive unless he's making excuses, asking others to make a case, or trying to seem active to subside pressure on him.

Really, there's much potential of outting whatever chap is, because he seems over eager for others to make cases for him to follow like a sheep. Yet whenever a case is made on him he comes up with excuses, not really a guy I want/need if it comes down to only a few townies versus a few mafia. Because by then we'd need everyone's participation and he doesn't seem that eager to get his hands dirty for the pay off it could receive. Is a shady character like Chap really someone anyone here wants to take into the final few days?

A shady character like chap? What does that even mean?

I don't feel like I'm over eager to get information... And if I was, I would obviously be trying to get it from someone else, because I already know whatever information I have. I have a cocky attitude? Maybe. I just said town wouldn't lynch anyone yesterday because no one could agree on anything. I wasn't saying anything about myself in particular, just about the fact that everyone disagreed on everything, which was frustrating to me.

How was I not able to take pressure from you and jg?

[DoomYoshi]

My thoughts on safari are largely the same as they were yesterday. We haven't had a cop come forth yet, so either the cop was roleblocked, didn't target saf or saf is a godfather.

If the BW will lean chap's way, I am fine with pressuring him for a claim.

[jak111]

If Saf is the godfather I'd actually be surprised. It's possible, just to me unlikely.

[pmchugh]

Hmm to re target my earlier question, chap what do you make of safari's claim?

[safariguy5]

My thoughts on safari are largely the same as they were yesterday. We haven't had a cop come forth yet, so either the cop was roleblocked, didn't target saf or saf is a godfather.

If the BW will lean chap's way, I am fine with pressuring him for a claim.

Or I am exactly what I say I am. Just a VT.

Full disclosure here, if you go and look at when my character died, he passed away before the Battle of the Bulge occurred. Dunno if the mod was running low on characters, but we may not be able to assume all characters in this game were both alive and present around the time of this battle.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

My thoughts on safari are largely the same as they were yesterday. We haven't had a cop come forth yet, so either the cop was roleblocked, didn't target saf or saf is a godfather.

If the BW will lean chap's way, I am fine with pressuring him for a claim.

Or I am exactly what I say I am. Just a VT.

Full disclosure here, if you go and look at when my character died, he passed away before the Battle of the Bulge occurred. Dunno if the mod was running low on characters, but we may not be able to assume all characters in this game were both alive and present around the time of this battle.

well this could all be leading to the battle of the bulge like the one final battle ...just a thought

[Some7hingCLEVER]

My thoughts on safari are largely the same as they were yesterday. We haven't had a cop come forth yet, so either the cop was roleblocked, didn't target saf or saf is a godfather.

If the BW will lean chap's way, I am fine with pressuring him for a claim.

Or I am exactly what I say I am. Just a VT.

Full disclosure here, if you go and look at when my character died, he passed away before the Battle of the Bulge occurred. Dunno if the mod was running low on characters, but we may not be able to assume all characters in this game were both alive and present around the time of this battle.

well this could all be leading to the battle of the bulge like the one final battle ...just a thought

EBWOP
just did some research including my own character and yes battle of the bulge was a last ditch attempt by the nazi to survive.

[new guy1]

Pretty sure this was posted on the front page, but yes this was the last attemp to survive the advances of the allied forces. It was named the battle of the bulge because when the Nazi's pushed up the middle of the map, it made a lump in terms of Nazi land gain.

[chapcrap]

Hmm to re target my earlier question, chap what do you make of safari's claim?

I said yesterday that lynching him if we don't have anyone else would be ok. This is because first, it's just hard to buy a General being a VT. It may be more believable after the Brig was a VT. Second, because as jg already pointed out, that person wasn't even at the battle or in Europe. And saf himself just pointed out that the person was already dead by the battle. So, I would think that many other general or characters could have been substituted for a VT instead of one that doesn't even fit in the battle.

Bottom line: not that believable.

[jak111]

Hmm to re target my earlier question, chap what do you make of safari's claim?

I said yesterday that lynching him if we don't have anyone else would be ok. This is because first, it's just hard to buy a General being a VT. It may be more believable after the Brig was a VT. Second, because as jg already pointed out, that person wasn't even at the battle or in Europe. And saf himself just pointed out that the person was already dead by the battle. So, I would think that many other general or characters could have been substituted for a VT instead of one that doesn't even fit in the battle.

Bottom line: not that believable.

I'm interested chap, what are you to be soo sure that every role has to fit your idea of how the mod set it up?

[chapcrap]

Hmm to re target my earlier question, chap what do you make of safari's claim?

I said yesterday that lynching him if we don't have anyone else would be ok. This is because first, it's just hard to buy a General being a VT. It may be more believable after the Brig was a VT. Second, because as jg already pointed out, that person wasn't even at the battle or in Europe. And saf himself just pointed out that the person was already dead by the battle. So, I would think that many other general or characters could have been substituted for a VT instead of one that doesn't even fit in the battle.

Bottom line: not that believable.

I'm interested chap, what are you to be soo sure that every role has to fit your idea of how the mod set it up?

Are you asking what I am?

[jak111]

Hmm to re target my earlier question, chap what do you make of safari's claim?

I said yesterday that lynching him if we don't have anyone else would be ok. This is because first, it's just hard to buy a General being a VT. It may be more believable after the Brig was a VT. Second, because as jg already pointed out, that person wasn't even at the battle or in Europe. And saf himself just pointed out that the person was already dead by the battle. So, I would think that many other general or characters could have been substituted for a VT instead of one that doesn't even fit in the battle.

Bottom line: not that believable.

I'm interested chap, what are you to be soo sure that every role has to fit your idea of how the mod set it up?

Are you asking what I am?

No, I'm asking what colour the sky is.. of course I'm asking what are you. We can do this the easy way or the hard way, preferably the easy since you are so sure of yourself. I don't care for a role at the moment, but what is your name if you're soo certain on who should and should not be in the game?

[DoomYoshi]

Not sure I like the line of questioning, but if chap will let jak get away with it, I am fine with that.

[jak111]

If you got something to say/add Doom, do so. Otherwise I think it's fair that I ask Chap about his certainty on things in the game.

[DoomYoshi]

The only part I disagree with is that one player is asking one other player for a claim, if only a partial one. Usually you need a BW. To that end, Vote chap

[DoomYoshi]

Well, we could look at the list from yesterday. The highest was safari, but we already got a claim from him. Next is gordon, then new guy. I think that's as good a point as any.

Vote new guy for pressure.

Interesting that this is seemingly missed by most of the players, new guy and myself included.