[OFFICIAL] Charle's Fun Mafia - "Game On" Day 4

[Loose Canon]

There doesn't have to be a sk either.
One of Charles previous games was new recruit where mafia had explicit choice whether to recruit or not.
It could have been a choice for mafia extra kill or extra recruit.
Just saying assumptions there is a cop and/or there is a sk should not be written in stone if you are town.

[SoN!c]

Yes that is exactly what i wrote at the beginning of D3.

[SoN!c]

But if there is no cop then mafia doesn't know that right?

So - if Halrob is mafia - why claim cop D1?

Mafia just thinking there is a cop would be enough to not claim cop D1.

[chanakam2020]

But if there is no cop then mafia doesn't know that right?

So - if Halrob is mafia - why claim cop D1?

Mafia just thinking there is a cop would be enough to not claim cop D1.

But If Hal is not Town COP how does he know there is no other COP at town faction ?

[SoN!c]

Okay, let me bang the DRUMS: Halrob IS OUR COP

[chanakam2020]

There doesn't have to be a sk either.
One of Charles previous games was new recruit where mafia had explicit choice whether to recruit or not.
It could have been a choice for mafia extra kill or extra recruit.
Just saying assumptions there is a cop and/or there is a sk should not be written in stone if you are town.

What does mean extra recruit ?
an extra player ?

[halrob64]

So are you now going to deny you are town Loose just to muddy the waters?

[Loose Canon]

Kingm was questioning sonic, along the lines of feck you are good at this and the intricacy/obscurity of sonics claim.

One thing I'll say is it's probably not a claim either true or false that sonic came up with.
Charle himself came up with obscure fake claims for himself when mafia in previous games - oracle springs to mind.
So I think the role sonic is claiming was more likely given to him by Charle whether as an actual role or as a safe fake claim.

Fpd

[SoN!c]

There doesn't have to be a sk either.
One of Charles previous games was new recruit where mafia had explicit choice whether to recruit or not.
It could have been a choice for mafia extra kill or extra recruit.
Just saying assumptions there is a cop and/or there is a sk should not be written in stone if you are town.

What does mean extra recruit ?
an extra player ?

Mafia - at the start of the game was given a choice (in Night "0:).

The choice was they could choose any player in game to be mafia aswell but if they did then 1 townie would be made cop role.

And im town. I do not need fake claims.

But ask Charle

@Charle: did you provide fake claims for scum: yes or no will do

[chanakam2020]

There doesn't have to be a sk either.
One of Charles previous games was new recruit where mafia had explicit choice whether to recruit or not.
It could have been a choice for mafia extra kill or extra recruit.
Just saying assumptions there is a cop and/or there is a sk should not be written in stone if you are town.

What does mean extra recruit ?
an extra player ?

Mafia - at the start of the game was given a choice (in Night "0:).

The choice was they could choose any player in game to be mafia aswell but if they did then 1 townie would be made cop role.

If it is so it will explain 2 kills at N-1
But will not explain 1 kill at N-2

Am I missing some thing ?

[Loose Canon]

Yes Chana, extra recruit choice in a previous game was whether to go from 3 mafia to 4 by recruiting an extra player at start of game but at cost of town getting a lot more powers.

Halrob no I've claimed vanilla town and I still claim vanilla town.
That you claim to have investigated me and got an innocent result means nothing to me in terms of your claim.

Fpd

[chanakam2020]

Yes Chana, extra recruit choice in a previous game was whether to go from 3 mafia to 4 by recruiting an extra player at start of game but at cost of town getting a lot more powers.

Halrob no I've claimed vanilla town and I still claim vanilla town.
That you claim to have investigated me and got an innocent result means nothing to me in terms of your claim.

Fpd

If it is so it will explain 2 kills at N-1
But will not explain 1 kill at N-2

Am I missing some thing ?

[chanakam2020]

I totally do not understand how fake claims provided by game Mod work.
Can some one explain it with some details and examples please

[halrob64]

I don't recall you making such a claim until I said I had proved you to be innocent Loose but I'm sure you will correct me

[chanakam2020]

I don't recall you making such a claim until I said I had proved you to be innocent Loose but I'm sure you will correct me

This means you do not belive your investigation result ?
.

[hjelp]

Why did I investigate Loose, well he was pushing to lynch either EW who he believed 95% Mafia
or Ragian, not quite sure why.
He kept banging on about me being 40% Mafia so it was totally muddying the waters.
I am new to this game, I am learning the rules of the game but I wanted to investigate someone who was clearly trying to push an agenda that other people were Mafia, clearly they were not.
So lets reset the button, we know one definite town-Loose, the town cop me, no one else has come forward unless there are 2 of us thats clearly not going to happen.
If mafia already knows who are town then why not declare fully who is town and who is mafia?

If I was a Town Cop and new at this game I think I also had revealed that I'm a Town Cop rather immediately if I were in the same situation.

[halrob64]

Read what I said Chan,
Loose is saying I am making a claim which he does not necessarily recognise as he thinks I may have mad up the claim.
Of course I believe the result its provided by Charlie

[Loose Canon]

But if there is no cop then mafia doesn't know that right?

So - if Halrob is mafia - why claim cop D1?

Mafia just thinking there is a cop would be enough to not claim cop D1.

But If Hal is not Town COP how does he know there is no other COP at town faction ?

It could be a calculated risk.
It could be mafias powers are Charle gave mafia fake safe claims.
Halrob as a real cop would be an obvious target for mafia to kill n3 now doc is dead. There may be other plays that mafia want to make though depending on how they feel D2 has gone.

[SoN!c]

Yes im dead tonight. 100%

Mafia or SK will go for Halrob. So i die first. And if both go for Halrob we are both dead.

So we better kill SK today and i think thats Max or Chana. One of them killed Darin. If it was mafia they would have had a night chat meeting and then i don't think they would have chosen Darin.

Darin said Halrob, Max and Chana are scum and that is why one of them NK him. It could not have been Halrob so its Max or Chana.

[Loose Canon]

Sonic re your symbiotic claim, chanas interpretation of it from the internet and you visiting Halrob N1.

That doesn't hang together for me if you are town.
What better target for mafia to kill N1 than a town cop?

Can you comment / clarify?

[SoN!c]

Sonic re your symbiotic claim, chanas interpretation of it from the internet and you visiting Halrob N1.

That doesn't hang together for me if you are town.
What better target for mafia to kill N1 than a town cop?

Can you comment / clarify?

Yes cop is always first choice if mafia.

But they did not kill him N2 either.. could be unexperienced mafia.

Or maybye they did not believe the Halrob claim. Thinking Halrob is just vanilla who acts as a decoy or whatever. EW suggested this i believe.

The obvious choice ofc is mafia knowing Halrob would be protected.. and they needed the kill. So too risky if mafia is just a bunch of goons. And IF there is an SK then the SK knew there would be a mafia faction but mafia perhaps / likely did not.

So if you put everything together im gambling there is an SK an SK killed Darin. Most likely N2 Ragian did not self protect but protected Halrob.
What makes me think its 2 factions is : if its 1 mafia faction they would have killed Kong + me, you, EW, Ragian.. but never Darin.

The Darin kill N1 is the key to solve this. Everything points to a rogue lone wolf SK that killed Darin because he saw Darin mentioned his name as scum. If so, its Max or Chana.

[Devante]

As of right now the extra kill makes sense for scum having the option, best explains why no kill N2. Either that or there is an SK who chose not to kill but that's doubtful. possibly someone with a role where can only kill on alternating nights but also not likely but N3 would answer that. We've had 3 town power roles killed and 1 cop claim who is still alive likely due to ragian protecting him. cop fake claim would be stupid unless given by charlie but i don't think he did that, would swing things very drastically scums way. So again that's 4 town power roles in play with sonic adding a 5th obscure role. I think we have 3 mafia and no SK. I have no problem having max at L-2 to force him to participate rather then hide in the dark but Sonic still seems the scummiest here and I think EW and Rag were on the right track. My vote stays where it is.

FP Sonic

[SoN!c]

As of right now the extra kill makes sense for scum having the option, best explains why no kill N2. Either that or there is an SK who chose not to kill but that's doubtful. possibly someone with a role where can only kill on alternating nights but also not likely but N3 would answer that. We've had 3 town power roles killed and 1 cop claim who is still alive likely due to ragian protecting him. cop fake claim would be stupid unless given by charlie but i don't think he did that, would swing things very drastically scums way. So again that's 4 town power roles in play with sonic adding a 5th obscure role. I think we have 3 mafia and no SK. I have no problem having max at L-2 to force him to participate rather then hide in the dark but Sonic still seems the scummiest here and I think EW and Rag were on the right track. My vote stays where it is.

FP Sonic

Only the SK would say there is no SK in play Dev.

[SoN!c]

But @Dev: if you seem to be so sure there is just 1 scum faction, then explain why they killed Darin N1.

Im pretty sure you will say "who cares why" but that is not the mindset we need to solve this puzzle.

[Devante]

But @Dev: if you seem to be so sure there is just 1 scum faction, then explain why they killed Darin N1.

Im pretty sure you will say "who cares why" but that is not the mindset we need to solve this puzzle.

Don't know and I agree there might be something there to look into but if there3 is an SK like you say then how do you explain only 1 night kill N2? Or are you planning on adding more town roles into this mix