[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Aye

Vote Sausage

Odd that he hasnt really fought the lynch.

Can I place my D3 vote now?

[ptlowe]

So why are people expecting detailed reeds on D2?

Good question, why ate you asking for detailed reads, Storr and I have just been asking for reads.

Wing, Storr, IB, anyone - I wood reely appreshiate your thoughts on this blatant change of opinion. It reeds to me like an attempt to downplay my post on the importance of verifying copchecks. Storr, IB: why arnt you concerned about dis?

Okay Ginkapo, let's talk about inconsistency. In yore neckst-to-useless "reeds", you said:

Mitch and dj need copchecking as i will never get a good read on em.

But just a littul later, when I posted on the importance of verifying copchecks, he does a compeat about-face and says:

Aladdin. Disregard copchecks as they are a crutch,

BAM!!! So, yer obviusly changing yer opinion to soot yore campayne agenst me. Yool just say anyfink to try to make me look bad, won't you? Gonna be fun wotching you squerm out of dis one.

Copchecks are useless currently, come day 5 or so when a cop has been calibrated I would like to know Mitchs and DJs alignment. Its ok I have a long enough list of scum to keep me busy lynching till then.

I am not going to repost my reads again, if you choose not to read that is not my problem.

Its amazing to say this, but you are responsible for most of the spam in this game dragging us to so many pages. Its amazing as thats normally me, but you have surpassed me by a country mile. Anyone who makes that many posts cannot complain about game length.

You have gone full dork, never go full dork.

I've been skipping alladin. I've made my judgment on him and not reading his rubbish anymore

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I've been skipping alladin. I've made my judgment on him and not reading his rubbish anymore

What is your judgement?

[Falkomagno]

Btw White Rose. I quite liked your reads, didnt agree with them, but liked the effort you put into them. Doesnt mean I read you as town, but neither do I want to rush a lynch on you.

As for mass claiming, this game has multiple factions which is what makes it different. Mafia wont know exactly who is town either, just who is nonmafia, which they already know.

maybe its because i am a noob or something, but i still do not get how town pr's claiming can be anything but bad for town.

perhaps you could explain what advantage town has if the doc claims? i just do not get it. Why on earth would we want to tell scum who the doc is?

I understand multiple factions, but if a non-scum were to claim doc, how could they be anything but anti-scum?

No, I have made up my mind, Storr is mafia and anyone else who tries to justify mass claiming must also be mafia, i certainly will not be telling mafia what my role is.

Don't get biased by an non-existing "authority" of the so-called "experienced players. People can debate everything, but you have to make your own mind, with the information that you have and with the connections you can extract from peoples post's and votes.

I also think that mass claiming is clearly bad for town, specially early, but also from a game point of view. I like mafia because its a game where town players has to find out who is scum and who is not, while the scum will try to confuse the town, in order to lynch townies at day and then killing at night. Mass claim is a pseudo game where the players plays against the mods, unveiling all the roles, with the disadvantage of the mafia seeing who is who. Take into account that the same advocate for mass claiming wanted specifically the vigilante to claim, really early in the game...

[degaston]

I'm trying to keep up with this, but there's too much water coming out of this fire hose already, and I don't have the time to do the kind of post analysis that I've done in my previous games. It's been over 2 days / 7 pages since we had a vote count. And the sticky votes make it very difficult to do it myself.

Right now, I'd vote for whatsausage. It's been three days since he's posted, so he doesn't seem very interested in defending himself. I'm holding off on voting because I don't want my vote to be stuck on him in case something else comes up before the deadline.

[AladdinSane]

Aye

Vote Sausage

Odd that he hasnt really fought the lynch.

Can I place my D3 vote now?

Sure, if you want to disregard the info we get from the Sausage linch, any NKs that take place, Mitch's deth, any deths from bombs going off, and any modkills due to inaktivity.

But then, we all know you don't care about dat. You only have eyes for me, and you'll stay on my case becorse yore a lincher who can only win if I get linched.

[AladdinSane]

I've been skipping alladin. I've made my judgment on him and not reading his rubbish anymore

Ahhh, the forth wheel speaks. I shore wood like to test dat result you claimed erlier.

[AladdinSane]

A prime example of a post that just takes up space and wastes people time. "Show the rest of us how it is done". Your so busy talking you do not know how to listen.

Scummy. Insted of this vague woffle, why not just give us yore updated Top 5 Town and Scum picks? Why are you avoiding the questyun?

[AladdinSane]

Good question, why ate you asking for detailed reads, Storr and I have just been asking for reads.

Ok, so you don't want detailed reeds, but if I post reeds that arnt detailed, you want to rip dem to shreds (seems to be okay for Wing to do, though, or pretty much anyone else). So if you dont want detailed reeds, wot do you want eggactly? Vague impresshun reeds? Bald opinyuns unadorned by supporting evidense?

See, this is why I want you eggsperiensed playas to go firt. Sewiously, you threefour (Wing, Storr, IB, PTLowe) need to stop avoiding the kewstion and just post yer top Town and Scum reeds, cos yer really starting to look like an anti-Town bloc. Show us all teh rite level of detail appropriate for this erly stage of the game. Don't bitch about it, just do it, kay?

Here's how I tink yore bloc works, btw (SPEKULATION!!!!):

Wing - attack dog
Storr - the voice of "reeson" giving Town bad advice like massclaiming, backup for Wing
IB - condescending tone, fokus on undermining the credibility of perceeved threts.
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maybe

PTLowe - posibly fakeclaim cop, not sure yet.

You have gone full dork, never go full dork.

Wen a mod tels me too go fool dork, I go fool dork. Reely, wot choice do I have? I am trying to coperate - i'm taking care to spel playas names correckly now and call Ginkapo "Wing" as Storr rekwested.

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From the last vote count:

-whatsausage (9): benga*, Metsfanmax*, / (aka Slash)*, Rishaed, Ragian*, benga, the white rose*, pancakemix*, Madmitch

Deadline is January 22nd, 09.00 CC Time. It takes 14 to have a majority. Reaching this deadline while your vote is not currently placed, will result in modkill.

UNVOTE SAUSAGE 2nd vote on Storr, VOTE STORR

unvote vote sausage

vote sausage

unvote - Vote whatsausage

Vote Sausage

It looks like lynch -2 barring any secret votes. Or perhaps lynch -3 since Wing didn't unvote.
We need to hear again from Whatsausage immediately. I'm seeing a recent login, and turns taken, so this really isn't a time to leave us hanging on possible powers. (Specifically ask about ones that would help make this game I lot easier, like I was taking about earlier.)

Like an investigation or a day vig? Those might be a bit too OP, but maybe something subtly beneficial, like "Whoever hammers gets their role revealed", or something.

[StorrZerg]

A prime example of a post that just takes up space and wastes people time. "Show the rest of us how it is done". Your so busy talking you do not know how to listen.

Scummy. Insted of this vague woffle, why not just give us yore updated Top 5 Town and Scum picks? Why are you avoiding the questyun?

Poor question, that's likely.


Idc how many, but I do want effort and a stance on a read. If you read anything I said on your read. So while detailed reads maybe hard on day 2. I've given 2 notable scum reads. Am I asking the same from you? Is wing? No. But we want more than could be scum or mafia. Or I liked his play. Get more specific about the what and the why.

[ptlowe]

@wing

I believe alladin to be mafia or third party. Aka not town
So no point in reading his shit

[Metsfanmax]

For those who want to hear from Whatsausage: what is it exactly that you would like him to say?

[AladdinSane]

A prime example of a post that just takes up space and wastes people time. "Show the rest of us how it is done". Your so busy talking you do not know how to listen.

Scummy. Insted of this vague woffle, why not just give us yore updated Top 5 Town and Scum picks? Why are you avoiding the questyun?

Poor question, that's likely.

Poor question? Really? Becorse it comes from your buddy, Wing:

Aladdin. Disregard copchecks as they are a crutch, who are your top 5 scum reads and top 5 town reads.

Note, scum here means anti town which does not include certain non harmful 3rd party roles.

WHOOPSIES!!!

Idc how many, but I do want effort and a stance on a read. If you read anything I said on your read. So while detailed reads maybe hard on day 2. I've given 2 notable scum reads. Am I asking the same from you? Is wing? No. But we want more than could be scum or mafia. Or I liked his play. Get more specific about the what and the why.

Why arnt you pushing Wing, IB, PTLowe or teh other 20+ playas this way? I mean, PTLowe even gave my PR being annoying as a reeson to vote me. He don't seem to unnerstand that linching isn't a punishment of a playa, it is a way to help Town win. It dozent matter how much sumwun annoys you, it's not a valid reeson to linch. I find PTLowe's stance skummy.

As I sed, wunce Wing gives us what he is asking me to do, and you do a few more than two, I'll have a better idea of what yer looking for. Show, don't tell. Give us a five nice examples each and say "Here, chaps! This is what we want from you Townies out there!" Or, to save labor, just post them as a bloc - that way you cut teh work in 3 (or 4).

[AladdinSane]

@wing

I believe alladin to be mafia or third party. Aka not town
So no point in reading his shit

LOL. "He's gilty, I know it! Don't listen to wot he says, just linch him, dammit!"

Yer getting to be a broken record just like yer buddy Wing. Looks like you guys are feeling teh heet, becorse the vitriol level is def rising.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

For those who want to hear from Whatsausage: what is it exactly that you would like him to say?

What his win condition is as he appears to be third party.
Are there alternative versions of his power which are actually beneficial.

[Metsfanmax]

Didn't he say he's town? Why would he back down on that claim now?

There very likely are versions of his power which are actually beneficial, but it might take some collective brainstorming to figure it out.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Didn't he say he's town? Why would he back down on that claim now?

There very likely are versions of his power which are actually beneficial, but it might take some collective brainstorming to figure it out.

My bad, town sleeping god, i missed the town first time i read.

He hasnt given us anything to work with, just said there are multiple options available to him.

[Streaker]

Vote count:

-AladdinSane (3): Storrzerg*, Wing*, ptlowe*,
-Storrzerg (5): madmitch*, Rishaed*, falkomagno*, madmitch, DJPatrick
-the white rose (6): Iron Butterfly*, DJPatrick*, Iron Butterfly, LSU Tiger Josh*, LSU Tiger Josh, CatchersMitt14*
-benga (1): whatsausage*
-no vote (1): player57832*,
-ptlowe (1): whatsausage,
-whatsausage (12): benga*, Metsfanmax*, / (aka Slash)*, Rishaed, Ragian*, benga, the white rose*, pancakemix*, ptlowe, rizky_biznezz*, falkomagno, Wing (L-2)
-Metsfanmax (0):
-Skoffin (2): Storrzerg, Aladdinsane*
-Catchersmitt14 (1): player57832

Deadline is January 22nd, 09.00 CC Time. It takes 14 to have a majority. Reaching this deadline while your vote is not currently placed, will result in modkill.

[degaston]

For those who want to hear from Whatsausage: what is it exactly that you would like him to say?

Is it possible that he knows the alignment of the other telecom members? Can he confirm any other townies, in case he's lynched and flips town?

[Ragian]

Do YOU THINK I made several ambiguous statements? If so what were they? I repeated my self so many Damn times day one on I was beginning to think people were willfully stupid.

I also do not want this to be a 5 page argument on semantics. If you think I have been ambiguous then say so and show us so but don't pull the "'other people say card"

I'll pull whatever card to get a response if asking plainly doesn't suffice. It was annoying that it was ignored. Especially when I was so considerate to bold up the things for a quick reply. I found it weird that you wrote something ambiguous and my weird feeling escalated to suspicion-ish (for want of a better word) because you didn't address it. Obviously, there is a chance that thinking of the whole "insane" thing that was made into a mountain. However, I got you to reply.

On a sausage note. Why the rush all of the sudden?

[Metsfanmax]

For those who want to hear from Whatsausage: what is it exactly that you would like him to say?

Is it possible that he knows the alignment of the other telecom members? Can he confirm any other townies, in case he's lynched and flips town?

Well, fine, but you'd think that if he knew about confirmed town because of it, that'd be one of the first things out of his mouth.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

19 unique votes by my count, so 7 modkills incoming.

Rage I am bored of D2

[Metsfanmax]

On a sausage note. Why the rush all of the sudden?

The deadline is in less than two days. I don't know how I feel about the Whatsausage lynch but I don't blame people for being a little more urgent right now.

[degaston]

For those who want to hear from Whatsausage: what is it exactly that you would like him to say?

Is it possible that he knows the alignment of the other telecom members? Can he confirm any other townies, in case he's lynched and flips town?

Well, fine, but you'd think that if he knew about confirmed town because of it, that'd be one of the first things out of his mouth.

I was going to add: "Sorry if that's a stupid question", but I took it out before I posted. Should he name the other members? Is that also a stupid question?