New Jedi Order Mafia MOZ & VONG WIN

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:47 am

kalishnikov wrote:So Leia, Luke and Han Solo are all dead, great... We've gotta start finding some scum here fellas.

dude, did you miss the fact we've killed off two scum already? talk about major skimming.

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:23 pm

The1exile wrote:Also, I can't be bothered to find where, but I think mandy said somewhere in the initial hype that he would be providing the scum with fake name claims.

My vote stays for now, but i will wait to hear from AK before deciding whether to keep it permanently.

Just a warning, from this post I gather that scum have fake claims up their sleeves so be wary of all claims.

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:26 pm

nagerous wrote:
The1exile wrote:Also, I can't be bothered to find where, but I think mandy said somewhere in the initial hype that he would be providing the scum with fake name claims.

My vote stays for now, but i will wait to hear from AK before deciding whether to keep it permanently.

Just a warning, from this post I gather that scum have fake claims up their sleeves so be wary of all claims.

I can't really believe this until someone shows me the post...

However, knowing Mandalorian, it is quite possible.

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:28 pm

meh.. page 26

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:29 pm

nagerous wrote:meh.. page 26

Thanks, dude.

kalishnikov · Post by **kalishnikov** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:01 pm

wicked wrote:
kalishnikov wrote:So Leia, Luke and Han Solo are all dead, great... We've gotta start finding some scum here fellas.
dude, did you miss the fact we've killed off two scum already? talk about major skimming.

No, I didn't miss that. All I'm saying is that we've lost quite a few of our major power roles and the only real death we've inflicted was the High Priest, the Commander died as a result of the Duel, i.e. through no action of ours.

Sorry, upon re-reading my post wasn't worded very well.

mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:20 pm

VOTE COUNT

Huckleberryhound (1) - Fircoal
Talapus (1) - Kalish

With 24 alive it takes 13 to lynch.

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:24 pm

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

i had a well good role too

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:37 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:VOTE COUNT

Huckleberryhound (1) - Fircoal
Talapus (1) - Kalish

With 24 alive it takes 13 to lynch.

Vote: Talapus

Damn blue color

Selin · Post by **Selin** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:35 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:DAY 3

“Master Skywalker and I have arrived to the Presidential Palace about 21 hours. We were summoned by the late Chief of State to discuss how best to improve the cooperation and coordination between the Jedi Order and the New Republic Defense Force. As we approached Chief Fey'lya's office we heard sounds of the struggle. As we attempted to reach the office, we were attacked by a cloaked figure armed with an lightsaber. Master Skywalker menaged to engage the assailant in a duel, while instructing me to aid Chief Fey'lya. As I entered the office, I found the Chief of State lying on the floor with an amphistaff wound on the left side of his torso. I approched him and attempted to heal the wound. Then a blaster shot came through the open window and hit Chief Fey'lya in the head, killing him instantly. I rushed towards the window, but the assasin has dissapeared without a trace. I ran back to the hall to aid Master Skywalker in his duel, but by then, it had been to late. Master Skywalker has been decapitated and his assasin has fled the scene”

- testimony of Jedi Master Kyp Durron, concerning the deaths of Borsk Fey'lya and Luke Skywalker.

Aimless (Borsk Fey'lya)(Survivor/Double Voter) and
Firth4eva (Luke Skywalker)(Unlynchable Townie)(Jedi Master) have been killed.

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Hmmm... interesting, a jedi master looses the duel. What powers may have the party who can kill him? Was it the same person who killed LSU first night? They both had same weapon, so probably same person. If this was the case, than it was highly probably mafia who killed aimless. But why aimless? He haven't posted anything last 5-6 (real) days. Is it because of something he wrote on day 1 which may made mafia feel uncomfortable? Or was it a random kill?

Lots of questions... This will probably be a long day. I'll go back and read aimless' posts first. Another thing to do is reading Day 2 posts again. Than reading exile's posts again. That's what I hate mafia games this size, you have lots of things to read and read and read again, but somehow that's also why I like them.

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kalishnikov · Post by **kalishnikov** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:58 pm

I'd guess that I wasn't anything specific Aimless said or did, he always seems to be a target in every game that he's in.

Minister Masket · Post by **Minister Masket** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:10 pm

kalishnikov wrote:I'd guess that I wasn't anything specific Aimless said or did, he always seems to be a target in every game that he's in.

Coincidence, that it happened in this game too?

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:12 pm

I'm not sure why Aimless died considering no-one has seen him in a week.

kalishnikov · Post by **kalishnikov** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:15 pm

Minister Masket wrote:
kalishnikov wrote:I'd guess that I wasn't anything specific Aimless said or did, he always seems to be a target in every game that he's in.
Coincidence, that it happened in this game too?

No, I don't think it's coincidence. He's a smart player and if he's not scum the mafia always try to take him out or recruit him early, just like mandalorian and Fircoal. If any of them live past night 5 in a game they are probably scum...

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:21 pm

kalishnikov wrote:No, I don't think it's coincidence. He's a smart player and if he's not scum the mafia always try to take him out or recruit him early, just like mandalorian and Fircoal. If any of them live past night 5 in a game they are probably scum...

ugh, having been on the receiving end of that "logic", I can tell you that's total BS. There are a number of high target players in this game. Scum don't have to have a reason to kill someone, they often look for whomever will draw the least suspicion to them. It's most likely not a "coincidence" or him being a "smart player" or anything other than he was off the radar.

Minister Masket · Post by **Minister Masket** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:21 pm

kalishnikov wrote:
Minister Masket wrote:
kalishnikov wrote:I'd guess that I wasn't anything specific Aimless said or did, he always seems to be a target in every game that he's in.
Coincidence, that it happened in this game too?
No, I don't think it's coincidence. He's a smart player and if he's not scum the mafia always try to take him out or recruit him early, just like mandalorian and Fircoal. If any of them live past night 5 in a game they are probably scum...

Tread carefully we must. Clouded our minds have become.

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:25 pm

Time for me to post some thoughts.

mandalorian2298 wrote:VOTE COUNT

Exile(5) - Wicked, nagerus, Trestain, Huck, Moz
Kwanton(1) - Serbia
Serbia(1) - Kalishnikov
Moz(1) - Talapus

On page 68 this was the votecount...

Then jnd voted moz and this was quickly followed by a vote from freezie then all of a sudden a bandwagon developed on moz and we had a tied vote eventually resulting in the initial lynch of moz. I believe freezie to have helped pioneer this with a shift from votes on exile to votes on moz. Sure moz had fed the town wrong information but at that point no-one could be sure of what his real role was beit paranoid or insane as we knew mandy had put a lot of stock in name claims being bad for you.

MountainLion wrote:
moz976 wrote:Well it looks like the information I got isn't completely accurate. I guess that I may be paranoid and I get paranoid information on everyone. The information that I got today doesn't have the name of anyone who has claimed so I don't think I should mention it since I don't want them to claim since my information is possibly not accurate. I would hate to cause the death of anyone else.
Moz is getting information on characters, NOT players. He's also unsure of whether his information is correct or not. This seems like a role that would be pretty useless until later in the game. If this game has twists, it would make his role even more useless.

Exile says he's non-jedi, Wedge. Does this make him a bad guy? No, but it does make him appear to be a safer target for a lynch than a possible power role. I've played a number of games with Exile and he seems to look at a lot of angles of a game. This made me think he was scum in a past game, but he turned out to be innocent. This may be why I don't see him as scummy as others of you at the moment.

Back to Moz...maybe he does have an ability to see things about characters. But could it be that he's scum, found out that AK was Han Solo, gave us false information and tried to get him lynched?

I'm still wondering about Freezie. He voted wicked, she claimed Ganner, he unvoted and then voted again asking her to quote her PM, she quoted it and he unvote and voted AK. Mandy's rules say that roleclaiming is good for the Yuzhaan Vong, so I didn't like how Freezie prodded wicked into quoting her role PM.

I think we can already say that roleclaiming helped the Yuzhaan Vong, because AK was lynched. Either Moz is on the good side and got bad info somehow or he's on the dark side and is trying to deceive us.

Speaking of AK:
AK_iceman wrote:Players that were on both the wicked and AK bandwagon are:
nagerous, ga7, jnd94, The1exile, freezie, Fircoal, and kwanton.
Also on freezie...he sounds like our options are limited to one or the other, wicked or AK, exile or Moz (shown by the two posts below). If you're mafia you're part of a group, if you're not you don't trust anyone, so why limit your voting?

freezie wrote:Vote: Wicked

Back to my vote on you.

You already revealed a lot to the scum. At worst, AK will go down.

freezie wrote:Either Moz or exile...

Neither are really trying to defend therselves aswell.

Vote: Moz

Pressure both of them, better results this way.
If I had to choose between exile and moz (which everyone is doing), I would choose moz. However we've got enough votes on both of them and I don't think we should limit ourselves. I'm going to vote freezie

Mountainlion posted some interesting and evaluative thoughts here which I totally agree with.

nagerous wrote:koesen, the1exile, wicked, freezie, kwanton, moz976.

This was my initial list of who I believed to be scum posted on day one.. koesen and exile are confirmed scum. Moz came out as a lyncher. The other 3 we do not know. Wicked for now we can ignore, Kwanton was only there because of something he said to me but next on this list is freezie and I believe his actions to be that of a scummmy scum scum.

My vote is therefore going to have to be a vote freezie unless I can be pursuaded otherwise.

Huckleberryhound · Post by **Huckleberryhound** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:32 pm

Sounds good to me vote freezie

mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:35 pm

VOTE COUNT

Huckleberryhound (1) - Fircoal
Talapus (2) - Kalish, Nark
Freezie (2) - Nagerus. Huck

With 24 alive it takes 13 to lynch.

Minister Masket · Post by **Minister Masket** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:36 pm

Huckleberryhound wrote:Sounds good to me vote freezie

I'm becoming increasing suspicious about your ability to sway from one opinion to another.
FOS HBH.

jnd94 · Post by **jnd94** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:43 pm

Talapus is obviously skimming. I can frogive Aegnor, because I know that he has a tough schedule, and lots to do (he told me), but Talapus has posted in my game a lot, but not in this one.

FOS talapus.

mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:44 pm

jnd94 wrote:Talapus is obviously skimming. I can frogive Aegnor, because I know that he has a tough schedule, and lots to do (he told me), but Talapus has posted in my game a lot, but not in this one.

FOS talapus.

Did he tell you when he will be back? I didn't want to replace him during the Night, because he said he'll be gone for 3 days.

Minister Masket · Post by **Minister Masket** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:45 pm

I'm willing to provoke a reaction from Talapus. If it'll get him in the game.

VOTE TALAPUS

Don't worry HBH, I'm still watching you...

got tonkaed · Post by **got tonkaed** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:55 pm

i think out of everything i have read in day 3 so far nagerous argument against freezie is the best for now. So until something better is presented i will follow suit and

vote nagerous

jnd94 · Post by **jnd94** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:55 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:
jnd94 wrote:Talapus is obviously skimming. I can frogive Aegnor, because I know that he has a tough schedule, and lots to do (he told me), but Talapus has posted in my game a lot, but not in this one.

FOS talapus.
Did he tell you when he will be back? I didn't want to replace him during the Night, because he said he'll be gone for 3 days.

No, I talked to him when I was recruiting for my game, and he said he couldnt commit to my game, because he had too much.