Clan Wars Rankings Ladder - 2 Year Weighted RPI

[Chuuuuck]

LoL Best post ever freakns

[lord voldemort]

so my beer went all over myself lmao

[reptile]

Pray tell, what sort of bump did the clan with the best record against the stiffest competition get? Oh, a completely negligible one? Maybe LoW would've been better off massacring Division 2. (sorry, Si, not a shot at you or your non-meat-based fellowship)

What does Si mean?

Come to think of it guys, we are all the ones (myself included) that is making this ladder so OFFICIAL, when it was meant to be UNOFFICIAL. Think about it... lol. Poor JP

You're all number one in my book.

Lol bro, you are right. Enough arguing and bickering. Dai_atan ... lets be friends.

New rankings:
T1. your clan here
T1. all other clans

[lord voldemort]

si - chariot of fire

[Chariot of Fire]

What does Si mean?

Si = Simon = CoF

And to think we were family once

[reptile]

Maybe LoW would've been better off massacring Division 2.

Maybe so... lol, so far we have already done that in division 1 every year the CLA has been in existence

But apparently since most ppl just think of it as "exhibition" games (even though you are representing your clan that you SHOULD be proud of ) then we should stop playing the games like they mean anything and just finish mid-pack ... or even last for that matter. Of course we will finish this one with a championship before we do that though.

[TheMissionary]

Maybe LoW would've been better off massacring Division 2.

Maybe so... lol, so far we have already done that in division 1 every year the CLA has been in existence

But apparently since most ppl just think of it as "exhibition" games (even though you are representing your clan that you SHOULD be proud of ) then we should stop playing the games like they mean anything and just finish mid-pack ... or even last for that matter. Of course we will finish this one with a championship before we do that though.

I'm not sure if you are referring to my reference to calling them exhibition games, or not. I just want to make it clear, Memento Mori won't be giving away any games, at all. Exhibition doesn't mean non-competitive. It means building blocks.

[chemefreak]

Lol bro, you are right. Enough arguing and bickering. Dai_atan ... lets be friends.

I agree. The RPI is not an official ranking system and since it is a computational formula so it can't be wrong (at least numbers-wise). Thanks for the hardwork jp...sorry we all get so worked up about these kind of things 18th is just a hard pill to swallow!

[reptile]

most people know that the legion is much better than where you guys are rated, i personally believe low is better than where they were rated as well (however we are currently playing against both IA and KORT so time will tell). I believe many are better than where they are rated. I am deciding to turn over a new leaf here and just understand that it is an UNOFFICIAL ladder, and not get personal because of it

Also Missionary, i was not referring to you (even if it was you who said it) specifically, most ppl have a round about way of saying they are exhibition games . Just using that word as an example. U are one of my fav players on the site, dont think i meant anything by it.

[danryan]

Lol bro, you are right. Enough arguing and bickering. Dai_atan ... lets be friends.

I agree. The RPI is not an official ranking system and since it is a computational formula so it can't be wrong (at least numbers-wise). Thanks for the hardwork jp...sorry we all get so worked up about these kind of things 18th is just a hard pill to swallow!

I think you guys are at least the 17th best clan here.

[freakns]

you sure have an 'active' imagination freakns

nah... it was just slow day at work, got to keep my mind occupied

I believe many are better than where they are rated

thus many are worse then rated? care to tell us which one?

[Scott-Land]

I got quite a few pms to respond to the new ladder so I'll throw my opinion in ... not that I want to because I've already given up over a year ago.

Given Thota's poor performance in the CLA and Tofu's win in Div2... I can see why Jp would rank the clans at their current spots. Thota beat TSM by 1 game so it was basically a wash as they were #1 going into the challenge, and expected to win so the win doesn't improve their 'numbers'. However, they did win and it was the ' national championship'. They should be rewarded with a #1 standing going into the 2010 season without a doubt. If it were me, I wouldn't had posted a standing until after the completion of the Nemesis challenge because those results will impact the numbers. If Thota wins, the numbers will show that Thota is #1 , if they lose, then Thota drops.... and everyone will understand why they're not #1.

It appears the winner of Div 2 Tofu outclassing the clan league in their division along with their clan challenge wins gave them a big boost. Okay.... so that logic is there ? I would have to agree. Tofu is indeed a top 3 clan perhaps even #2 with TSM suffering a loss and their poor performance in the league as well ( As expected and a very unwise decision by both clans to accept a challenge during league but no excuses... both clans were outclassed in their respected leagues by great clans; congrats to the winners).

On the flip side it is indeed quite ridiculous to put Tofu as # 1 due to the results of the clan league as Thota is in no doubt the best clan on the site, on paper or otherwise. My advice to JP is that no matter how much you crunch the numbers, if Thota doesn't come out #1 then it's flawed. A simple solution is NOT to post the results because it will only make you look bad and everyone will discount your hard work. Either rework the numbers or don't post at all-- it's neither productive nor credible ( albeit mathematically correct ). Especially when the winner of Season 2 hasn't been declared yet ( I haven't been on the site for awhile , I don't think there's a winner for Season 2 yet? ). Wait for the current challenges to end, and the winner of the Season 2 Clan league is declared.

[maasman]

All I know is that freakns's posts gave some lightheartedness in my otherwise stressful CC life right now In reality, I'm just glad we finally broke the top 10 barrier, it took long enough for people to realize the quality we have.

[reptile]

I believe many are better than where they are rated

thus many are worse then rated? care to tell us which one?

None, i think the list should be:

1. Your clan name here
1. Every other clan

[Master Fenrir]

I stopped paying attention to this long ago, as the rankings measure pure numeric performance and the vast majority of those who raise concern are looking for a measurement of clan strength and skill, which is impossible to determine numerically when you have random dice being the determining factor. It's like trying to declare somebody the best baseball team if each game were played with a sniper on the rooftop who may randomly shoot the batter or pitcher in the face.

It also opens up JP and the ladder system to direct attack. I think the best way to go about this is to have the clan leaders periodically put forward a vote to create/revise a rankings ladder, exactly the same way as they did at the beginning of the Conqueror's Cup to determine the seeds. This way, if clans are upset by the rankings, they have only each other to blame.

On a separate note:

The premium upgrade was a planned move by those of us who decide these things. We admit freely that we waited until all the maps were posted so that the IA would be blindsided by the move.

Is there a way to avoid this in the future? A fair way to exchange lineups before the games begin? It's done in most sports. I wouldn't call this a sport, but I'd like to see it instituted nonetheless.

[jbrettlip]

They have been members of BpB since inception. It wasn't bringing in ringers, just changing them to premium status and allowing them to play more games.

[jpcloet]

Is there a way to avoid this in the future? A fair way to exchange lineups before the games begin? It's done in most sports. I wouldn't call this a sport, but I'd like to see it instituted nonetheless.

I don't think anyone has really enforced approved rosters. It's been more of a scouts honor.

[Master Fenrir]

They have been members of BpB since inception. It wasn't bringing in ringers, just changing them to premium status and allowing them to play more games.

I know. I didn't have a problem with them playing or the volume of games that they played. The blindsiding, as Fruitcake put it, is what I was hoping to avoid in the future.

[Ace Rimmer]

Cof you will get your shot at thota, but we as thota believe every clan needs to earn their stripes equally to play us. I mentioned this many times before, you need to play a top 5 clan like empire or IA , and win in a 60 game challenge or more, and then you need to play TSM and beat them who should be # 2, then if you do that, sure, I do not see why we should not play you guys, but you need to earn it. If you do that, you will eanr it, this is what we had to do year after year to get where we are, and who knows, you probably would beat us, it would be a super challenge.

You know it's funny you say that since you're playing in the conqueror's cup. You are playing teams that haven't "earned their stripes" yet by your words. There's a chance we'll meet you there if we both make it to the finals, and we won't be going through TSM to do it.

Seems to me like you're a little afraid of facing TOFU...

[Incandenza]

Cof you will get your shot at thota, but we as thota believe every clan needs to earn their stripes equally to play us. I mentioned this many times before, you need to play a top 5 clan like empire or IA , and win in a 60 game challenge or more, and then you need to play TSM and beat them who should be # 2, then if you do that, sure, I do not see why we should not play you guys, but you need to earn it. If you do that, you will eanr it, this is what we had to do year after year to get where we are, and who knows, you probably would beat us, it would be a super challenge.

You know it's funny you say that since you're playing in the conqueror's cup. You are playing teams that haven't "earned their stripes" yet by your words. There's a chance we'll meet you there if we both make it to the finals, and we won't be going through TSM to do it.

Seems to me like you're a little afraid of facing TOFU...

We played a lot of clans in the league that hadn't really earned their stripes either. Both the league and the cup are different concepts than a straight-up clan challenge, which doesn't seem like a difficult concept to grasp. More to the point, I think what blitz is saying is that while you guys have done very well for yourselves thus far, we're very curious to see how you fare against an elite clan. Of course, to make it to the cup finals you'll have to go thru Empire or Kort, which to me seems like a far more interesting test of your collective skills than anyone you've thus far played.

[Scott-Land]

Cof you will get your shot at thota, but we as thota believe every clan needs to earn their stripes equally to play us. I mentioned this many times before, you need to play a top 5 clan like empire or IA , and win in a 60 game challenge or more, and then you need to play TSM and beat them who should be # 2, then if you do that, sure, I do not see why we should not play you guys, but you need to earn it. If you do that, you will eanr it, this is what we had to do year after year to get where we are, and who knows, you probably would beat us, it would be a super challenge.

You know it's funny you say that since you're playing in the conqueror's cup. You are playing teams that haven't "earned their stripes" yet by your words. There's a chance we'll meet you there if we both make it to the finals, and we won't be going through TSM to do it.

Seems to me like you're a little afraid of facing TOFU...

We played a lot of clans in the league that hadn't really earned their stripes either. Both the league and the cup are different concepts than a straight-up clan challenge, which doesn't seem like a difficult concept to grasp. More to the point, I think what blitz is saying is that while you guys have done very well for yourselves thus far, we're very curious to see how you fare against an elite clan. Of course, to make it to the cup finals you'll have to go thru Empire or Kort, which to me seems like a far more interesting test of your collective skills than anyone you've thus far played.

I see your point that Tofu hasn't been tested but they have beaten great clans. Everyone knows they are the #1 contender outside of KoRT and IA. They all deserve a shot. I don't necessarily agree that Tofu needs to face TSM AND IA, etc to face Thota. As #1 you should face anyone that comes near you, as if it were TSM we would definitely welcome any and all challenges with the exception that we have to have a roster to play and that should be the only reason Thota should or would shy away from a callout. Call it what you may, I have a lot of respect for Thota as you all know but to put stipulations upon a clan does show some ...... eh to put it a nice way. Meh-- no sugar coating applies I don't think.

[Incandenza]

I see your point that Tofu hasn't been tested but they have beaten great clans. Everyone knows they are the #1 contender outside of KoRT and IA. They all deserve a shot. I don't necessarily agree that Tofu needs to face TSM AND IA, etc to face Thota. As #1 you should face anyone that comes near you, as if it were TSM we would definitely welcome any and all challenges with the exception that we have to have a roster to play and that should be the only reason Thota should or would shy away from a callout. Call it what you may, I have a lot of respect for Thota as you all know but to put stipulations upon a clan does show some ...... eh to put it a nice way. Meh-- no sugar coating applies I don't think.

They've beaten good clans, but let's be honest, none of the clans they've beaten have been elite. That's no disrespect to said clans, but merely a statement of fact. And personally I don't think they should have to play both the monkis and IA, that does seem like a bit much, but a single victory over an elite clan would go a long way toward validating them as ranking contender. Of course it won't matter should both clans be fortunate enough to meet in the cup finals.

[Scott-Land]

Their lineup speaks for itself... TSM having already beaten IA and KoRT's 'demise' with a tie with the Transformers ( I can't remember their name at the moment ) only leaves Tofu as the #1 contender. Not sure if it's a completely valid point you're making, but I can respect it nonetheless. You guys are definitely #1 and everyone wants a piece of you which comes with the territory.... they want to play you guys as much as you wanted to play us ( TSM ) and I don't see holding off the inevitable.

[Knight2254]

It'll probably be a lot of hoopla for not a lot of results. So if we practically tie, similar to the 1 game difference in THOTA vs TSM, can we even declare any one of us better than the other? There may be a point when all three of these clans are so good that only variations in the dice and a little bit of luck on the drop can sway the board one way or the other. I don't anticipate any of these clans should be able to blow the others out of the water which is why, in some respects, ranking these clans is a little tricky.

[Scott-Land]

It wasn't that they beat TSM by 1 game.. it was the fact they came back from a 2 game deficit to do so is where it was impressive. A 4 game swing ( that late in the challenge ) is huge in such a tight challenge.