Obligatory 911 Thread

[pimpdave]

Now, imagine that it was your own government........

Now imagine me breaking your nose and knocking you the f*ck out...

This is not Flame wars.......nor Comedy Central for that matter.

And f*ck you too, for suggesting what you suggest. And I'll keep telling you what I just did. You wanna tell me what I said was a flame and what you said isn't?

f*ck you.

[jay_a2j]

And f*ck you too, for suggesting what you suggest. And I'll keep telling you what I just did. You wanna tell me what I said was a flame and what you said isn't?

f*ck you.

Denial: it isn't just a river in Egypt. Why get so angry at the possibility that 9/11 was perpetrated by the US government? Yeah, I guess it would make a person pissed. It's a good thing we have the media around to sooth the sheeple's fears eh? There is NO WAY in hell 911 happened like they are telling us. But be a good little sheep, graze on the misinformation fed you, and don't rile the other sheep.


The first step out of denial, is admission.

[pimpdave]

Well, jay, I suppose I can only hope that some of your friends, that you care about deeply, get horribly murdered, and people piss on their graves by lying to you about who was culpable for their deaths. I hope you get to witness strangers getting slaughtered, and then get told that it was all staged. That it was all a conspiracy to start a war.

I hope you get to know that kind of joy, you self-righteous prick.

ps. the first step out of consciousness is to go down to ground zero and repeat what you're telling me.

[jay_a2j]

Well, jay, I suppose I can only hope that some of your friends, that you care about deeply, get horribly murdered, and people piss on their graves by lying to you about who was culpable for their deaths. I hope you get to witness strangers getting slaughtered, and then get told that it was all staged. That it was all a conspiracy to start a war.

I hope you get to know that kind of joy, you self-righteous cunt.

Which is even MORE of a reason to know the TRUTH! Those that died on 9/11 deserve the truth to be known! That it wasn't terrorists but our own government! Does believing a lie make it easier for you?

BTW I would never wish "I can only hope that some of your friends, that you care about deeply, get horribly murdered" on you. But if they did, I'd want you to know the truth behind it.

[black elk speaks]

Well, jay, I suppose I can only hope that some of your friends, that you care about deeply, get horribly murdered, and people piss on their graves by lying to you about who was culpable for their deaths. I hope you get to witness strangers getting slaughtered, and then get told that it was all staged. That it was all a conspiracy to start a war.

I hope you get to know that kind of joy, you self-righteous cunt.

Which is even MORE of a reason to know the TRUTH! Those that died on 9/11 deserve the truth to be known! That it wasn't terrorists but our own government! Does believing a lie make it easier for you?

BTW I would never wish "I can only hope that some of your friends, that you care about deeply, get horribly murdered" on you. But if they did, I'd want you to know the truth behind it.

I know that this is a theory as to Sept 11, but i have to say that you are of pretty low intelligence to even suggest that it is viable.

To Mustard, it was fairly insensitive to bring this matter up in the way that you did. You are making a mockery of something that is still very close in the minds and hearts of a lot of people. people still get upset about Pearl Harbor, and i don't think that anyone makes fun of that day. And that was a fair surprise attack on a military base.

To detract from the horror that befell our country on that day shows me that you are no ally to the US. its not surprising since some of you brits, like some of the confederacy here in the US, still hold hard feelings for the war of independence.

[Snorri1234]

I am sooooo tempted to post a few pics right now. But that would be somewhat of a dick move...

[Spuzzell]

Well, jay, I suppose I can only hope that some of your friends, that you care about deeply, get horribly murdered, and people piss on their graves by lying to you about who was culpable for their deaths. I hope you get to witness strangers getting slaughtered, and then get told that it was all staged. That it was all a conspiracy to start a war.

I hope you get to know that kind of joy, you self-righteous cunt.

Which is even MORE of a reason to know the TRUTH! Those that died on 9/11 deserve the truth to be known! That it wasn't terrorists but our own government! Does believing a lie make it easier for you?

BTW I would never wish "I can only hope that some of your friends, that you care about deeply, get horribly murdered" on you. But if they did, I'd want you to know the truth behind it.

I know that this is a theory as to Sept 11, but i have to say that you are of pretty low intelligence to even suggest that it is viable.

To Mustard, it was fairly insensitive to bring this matter up in the way that you did. You are making a mockery of something that is still very close in the minds and hearts of a lot of people. people still get upset about Pearl Harbor, and i don't think that anyone makes fun of that day. And that was a fair surprise attack on a military base.

To detract from the horror that befell our country on that day shows me that you are no ally to the US. its not surprising since some of you brits, like some of the confederacy here in the US, still hold hard feelings for the war of independence.

Pfft!

Hilarious. Yeah, the only reason we think 9/11 wasn't the world changing event you seem to believe is because we're still pissed about that tea that got wet hundreds of years ago.

Terrorism = bad. It was horrible at the time, and it's horrible now, but there comes a point where you have to realise that pretty much every other country in the world has been dealing with terrorist attacks for decades. When I was in Ireland on a rugby tour years ago for example, we were taught to run past parked cars on the street as every one was a potential bomb.

No-ones saying 9/11 wasn't appalling, just that it's not any more appalling than the hundreds of other attacks that happen around the world.

[pimpdave]

No-ones saying 9/11 wasn't appalling, just that it's not any more appalling than the hundreds of other attacks that happen around the world.

Well, to that I must say, it might be easier to swallow the pill of you mocking 9/11 if you were to go ahead and mock a number of other terrorist attacks around the world. I know of many. I just only witnessed one, and it happened to be a big one.

How many car bombs have you seen actually go off? Cause what you're describing sounds like a different kind of street smarts to those we have here. We may not have car bombs, but we sure as shit have crack heads and gang bangers. A different kind of terrorism, for sure. I believe they call it narco-terrorism, in law enforcement circles.

EDIT: Scratch that. Please mock a terrorist attack from your own country, before you come and mock us.

EDIT II: Actually, just mock the terrorist attacks in your own country, and leave us alone.

[Snorri1234]

9/11 is far more important than the wars, attacks, torture and murder that has been present in the world for ages and will continue to be present in the future.

[black elk speaks]

9/11 is far more important than the wars, attacks, torture and murder that has been present in the world for ages and will continue to be present in the future.

sarcasm... this is why you will never be in the civil discussion forum.

[black elk speaks]

No-ones saying 9/11 wasn't appalling, just that it's not any more appalling than the hundreds of other attacks that happen around the world.

Yes, it was. No other terrorist attack killed roughly 3000 civilians, caused so much economic damage and destroyed such a large structures. It was the most appalling in history.

[pimpdave]

No-ones saying 9/11 wasn't appalling, just that it's not any more appalling than the hundreds of other attacks that happen around the world.

Yes, it was. No other terrorist attack killed roughly 3000 civilians, caused so much economic damage and destroyed such a large structures. It was the most appalling in history.

NOTICE: I am not saying anything like that, nor agree with black elk speaks.

The attacks all over the world fill me sadness.

There's really no reason to go mocking them, though, or be diminutive about the impact of any of them.

[black elk speaks]

No-ones saying 9/11 wasn't appalling, just that it's not any more appalling than the hundreds of other attacks that happen around the world.

Yes, it was. No other terrorist attack killed roughly 3000 civilians, caused so much economic damage and destroyed such a large structures. It was the most appalling in history.

NOTICE: I am not saying anything like that, nor agree with black elk speaks.

The attacks all over the world fill me sadness.

There's really no reason to go mocking them, though, or be diminutive about the impact of any of them.

yeah, dave just wants to punch your face for mocking ours.

[Neoteny]

No-ones saying 9/11 wasn't appalling, just that it's not any more appalling than the hundreds of other attacks that happen around the world.

Yes, it was. No other terrorist attack killed roughly 3000 civilians, caused so much economic damage and destroyed such a large structures. It was the most appalling in history.

[black elk speaks]

No-ones saying 9/11 wasn't appalling, just that it's not any more appalling than the hundreds of other attacks that happen around the world.

Yes, it was. No other terrorist attack killed roughly 3000 civilians, caused so much economic damage and destroyed such a large structures. It was the most appalling in history.

Nagasaki... an act of war, between 2 nations that were defined as being at war at the time. Not terrorism.

[Neoteny]

Your definition of terrorism is very narrowly defined, and is not necessarily one that fits with current opinions of what terrorism consists. While it is true that a peer-reviewed consensus on the definition of terrorism is unlikely to ever be reached, there is a general consensus on key criteria of terrorism, of which the American bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki meet. As always, wikipedia can point you in the right direction if you do not have subscriptions to peer-reviewed sociology articles. Dictionary.com also has a commonly accepted definition if you would like to examine it.

[black elk speaks]

Your definition of terrorism is very narrowly defined, and is not necessarily one that fits with current opinions of what terrorism consists. While it is true that a peer-reviewed consensus on the definition of terrorism is unlikely to ever be reached, there is a general consensus on key criteria of terrorism, of which the American bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki meet. As always, wikipedia can point you in the right direction if you do not have subscriptions to peer-reviewed sociology articles. Dictionary.com also has a commonly accepted definition if you would like to examine it.

then I suggest that you put forth a definition before you use an image of an event that put an end to the second world war and possibly saved more lives that it claimed.

[Dancing Mustard]

We seem to have veered off topic somewhat... I thought we were supposed to be mocking faux-patriotism and grief-lite here, not re-defining terrorism and condemning American Foreign Policy.

[Neoteny]

Additionally, the 9/11 attack was the initiation of a war according to the rhetoric of the powers that be. Here is a common definition of terrorism.

Definitions of Terrorism
Much of the early work in terrorism research centered upon various definitions (see the discussions in Cooper, 2001; Gibbs, 1989; Hoffman, 1999; Jenkins, 2001; Ruby, 2002; Schmid and Jongman, 1988; Senechal de la Roche, 1996, 2001), but as Jenkins (2001) notes, a consensus seems to be emerging on the definition of terrorism. For example, academic researchers Walter Enders and Todd Sandler (2002b) argue terrorism involves a focus upon underlying political, social, or religious motives, as its violence is separable from crime, personal vengeance, or the act of someone mentally deranged. The act itself seems to involve attempts at influencing an audience, which is often not that of the victims themselves. Terrorism is also most often directed toward noncombatants or civilians and is ‘random,’ so that everyone feels at risk. For such terrorists: Terrorism is the premeditated use or threat of use of extranormal violence or brutality by subnational groups to obtain a political, religious, or ideological objective through intimidation of a huge audience, usually not directly involved
with the policy making that the terrorists seek to influence. (Enders and Sandler, 2002b: 145–6) Government institutions, such as the US Department of State, define terrorism somewhat similarly, as ‘politically motivated violence perpetrated
against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience’ (Ruby, 2002: 10). And, interestingly enough, this is quite similar to Chomsky’s (2001: 19) definition: ‘Terrorism is the use of coercive means aimed at populations in an effort to achieve political, religious, or other aims.’ Similar to these is Stern’s (1999: 30) definition of terrorism as ‘an act or threat of violence against non-combatants, with the objective of intimidating or otherwise influencing an audience or audiences.’ The point is that academic researchers, government agencies, and critics of American foreign policy increasingly seem to agree about the essence of terrorism. This conception leaves open questions of motivation and ideology, which is important for researchers who wish to focus comparatively upon different historical periods and must be flexible enough to include the ideology of anarchists and social revolutionaries at the end of the 19th century and fundamental Islamic beliefs in the early 21st century. It also leaves open the question of
whether the violence is performed by the state or subnational groups.

Bergesen & Han. New Directions for Terrorism Research. International Journal of Comparative Sociology. 46 (12): 133.

As you can see, many early definitions focused on terrorism occurring at the subnational level, but I think that is a head-in-the-sand thought process to alleviate responsibility of those unwilling to challenge the state on such issues.

[brooksieb]

9/11 was a terrible event in history. As also is every terrorist attack that has caused loss of life. The sheer numbers of loss of life mean that there are a lot of people who are in some way connected to somebody who knew or lost a loved one. One of my best friends lost her husband that day while he was away in america working. He had gone to work early to impress his bosses, to this day she still cannot talk about the phone call she had with him after the towers had been struck. Her pain today is unbearable. So my hearts go out to everybody who like her who is remembering a loved one on this poignant day.

Then how do you know what happened?

[Snorri1234]

9/11 is far more important than the wars, attacks, torture and murder that has been present in the world for ages and will continue to be present in the future.

sarcasm... this is why you will never be in the civil discussion forum.

Do you really think I actually give a shit anymore? I've decided to just make fun of you and yours, maybe troll your thread a little, basically shit over your whole "we is civil"-image you've made up. Plenty of other places where I can debate without some jackass complaining I called him a racist for wearing a KKK-uniform.

Go f*ck yourself and your blatant attempts to prove your suffering is worse than that of everybody else.

[brooksieb]

Now, imagine that it was your own government........

Now imagine me breaking your nose and knocking you the f*ck out...

Now imagine you get banned from the not yet banned...

[Snorri1234]

No-ones saying 9/11 wasn't appalling, just that it's not any more appalling than the hundreds of other attacks that happen around the world.

Yes, it was. No other terrorist attack killed roughly 3000 civilians, caused so much economic damage and destroyed such a large structures. It was the most appalling in history.

Nagasaki... an act of war, between 2 nations that were defined as being at war at the time. Not terrorism.

It still ended the lives of a fuckload of innocent civilians who had nothing to do with that shit but just happened to have the bad luck of being born in a country that the US didn't like.

[jay_a2j]

Anyone got a stat on the number of civilians killed by the USA vs. any other nation in history? Might prove to be interesting.


And you can even leave out the 3,000 from 911, just for the heck of it.

[Frigidus]

Anyone got a stat on the number of civilians killed by the USA vs. any other nation in history? Might prove to be interesting.


And you can even leave out the 3,000 from 911, just for the heck of it.

I would also be interested in this, but we'd have to get a "per year" tally, as America is pretty young when compared to, say, France.