FREDVIII [Permanent Website Vacation]

[Deathwind]

Seriously this is pathetic.Quite pathetic.Who DOESN'T swear????? FredVIII is a very awsome guy and to ban him from the site because some people are babies is just a very stupid thing to do.

[Deathwind]

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 50&start=4

[jefjef]

Due to FredVIII's numerous benefits of the doubt during past issues with his account(s), in addition to previous Warnings and Vacations, taking into account the recent game chats, the culmination of all this has lead us to issue a Permanent Website Vacation for FredVIII---no buy backs or coming back.
--Andy

thank you andy
go to hell fredd anton jeff whatever the hell your name is

He swore and you point jumped. He gets banned for language & you get a warning for FUCHING CHEATING. WOW C C.... Is this a gaming site or manner school....

[the.killing.44]

Other examples of non-fred non-bans:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 50&start=4 [warned, but as KA put it "mbohn2 has been given a small special warning"]
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 39&t=86167 [forum vacation]
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 39&t=90115 [foe list]
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 39&t=89874 [noted]
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 39&t=89545 [warned, but only for homophobia]
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 39&t=89241 [warned, but only for homophobia and racism
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 39&t=89241 [warned, "FIRST OFFENSE"]

Could go on.
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[apb23]

This is insane...Fred is subtle compared to some of the things i've seen.

[jarrett155]

I guess the mods just want to give max the satisfaction of getting what he wants...

[Woodruff]

Swearing isn't even breaking any rules... Wow.

Routinely abusing people is, however...which his behavior could be considered to fall under. (I'm not making a statement that I think it is or is not, as I haven't looked into the specifics).

After losing his Jeff Hardy account, this loyal CC player created another account and bought ANOTHER premium just to keep playing this game!
We should cherish players like this not dump them. He has not gotten an official warning about swearing and we can ALL understand that CC can be frustrating sometimes.. We should just guide and/or coach this player, not ban him! This is probably the worst advertisement there is for a game: "We ban all dedicated players who get frustrated sometimes."
Hows that for a slogan?

I'm a dedicated player who gets frustrated quite a bit, yet I've never been remotely close to a ban. I wonder if that might have something to do with self-control?

[lancehoch]

Guys, clearly this ruling has stirred up a lot of emotion. There was a lot of discussion up and back on this and this was the final outcome as decided by the administrators of CC. Some of you have claimed that Fred has never been warned before. That could not be farther from the truth. Fred (only on the new account) has already had 2 PM warnings from moderators, 2 official warnings, a permanent forum vacation, a temporary chat vacation, and a permanent chat vacation. Under the Jeff account he received 9 PM warnings, 1 official warning, a temporary chat vacation, a temporary website vacation, and a permanent website vacation. Clearly this user was not angelic. The punishment for this action may seem over the top, but the action must also be taken in context of the previous actions. This user was not allowed access to the forums because he could not stay within the guidelines of the forums. He was not allowed into chat because he continued to not follow the guidelines of chat. Now he could not stop harassing other members of the community in the last vestige of interaction he still had accessible to him. Therefore, he was sent on his way. Arguing is not going to get him back.

[a.sub]

Guys, clearly this ruling has stirred up a lot of emotion. There was a lot of discussion up and back on this and this was the final outcome as decided by the administrators of CC. Some of you have claimed that Fred has never been warned before. That could not be farther from the truth. Fred (only on the new account) has already had 2 PM warnings from moderators, 2 official warnings, a permanent forum vacation, a temporary chat vacation, and a permanent chat vacation. Under the Jeff account he received 9 PM warnings, 1 official warning, a temporary chat vacation, a temporary website vacation, and a permanent website vacation. Clearly this user was not angelic. The punishment for this action may seem over the top, but the action must also be taken in context of the previous actions. This user was not allowed access to the forums because he could not stay within the guidelines of the forums. He was not allowed into chat because he continued to not follow the guidelines of chat. Now he could not stop harassing other members of the community in the last vestige of interaction he still had accessible to him. Therefore, he was sent on his way. Arguing is not going to get him back.

then what will get him back? or are we expected to just sit around while unfair ruling are put forth?
dont say etickets because selucind empire and rabid bunnies have been sending out etickets for their situation since day one, what have they gotten? BULL SHIT.
are we expected to let the same thing happen here?

[Kotaro]

then what will get him back? or are we expected to just sit around while unfair ruling are put forth?
dont say etickets because selucind empire and rabid bunnies have been sending out etickets for their situation since day one, what have they gotten? BULL SHIT.
are we expected to let the same thing happen here?

Nothing. He was a plague, and now he's gone. Thank God.

[Wolffystyle]

then what will get him back?

• A firm belief in Hinduism.
  If we all cross our fingers at the same time and make a wish!
  Pray to the sila that Fred's anirniq may be liberated.
  Write your state senator.
  Sing the blues.
  Start some more threads; hope some sh!t sticks.
  Whistle a lonesome, but graceful tune; let the wind carry your notes to all who may listen.
  Call in the assistance of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
  Complain some more.

[littlebrother2k7]

We took into account FredVIII's past history, as usual. He was on a Permanent Live Chat Vacation, a hold over Permanent Forum Vacation, and had received numerous Warnings and Vacations as well.


--Andy

andy he will use matts account he has done it b4.

[demonfork]

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... ead#unread

maybe jeff/fred could join his own tourney with "matts" account

[Mr Changsha]

I always found him agreeable enough in the forums and I can't personally remember anything he wrote that was so terrible or flagrant. Lot's of little things sure, but overall he was an active member of the community. One must also take into account that max and fred are both very young and so therefore also very foolish. Setting guidelines for kids is usually much preferable to just kicking them out, or expelling them if you will.

CC would have been better to enforce all the previous restrictions, but let him continue to play and, yes, let him write crap in gamechat. It really isn't that important if someone swears in gamechat and should never be 'the straw that breaks the camel's back'.

Very poor decision IMO.

[Hoagy]

Nice work Beckytheblondie.

There is some justice after all.

I had my own run-in with this arrogant piece of work in Game 4896721.

Well done.

[Bruceswar]

Nice work Beckytheblondie.

There is some justice after all.

I had my own run-in with this arrogant piece of work in Game 4896721.

Well done.

From the looks of that game you played terrible. With that said anybody would be pissed after playing with you.

[Artimis]

I always found him agreeable enough in the forums and I can't personally remember anything he wrote that was so terrible or flagrant. Lot's of little things sure, but overall he was an active member of the community. One must also take into account that max and fred are both very young and so therefore also very foolish. Setting guidelines for kids is usually much preferable to just kicking them out, or expelling them if you will.

CC would have been better to enforce all the previous restrictions, but let him continue to play and, yes, let him write crap in gamechat. It really isn't that important if someone swears in gamechat and should never be 'the straw that breaks the camel's back'.

Very poor decision IMO.

Indeed, I agree 100%. For those who complained about Fred's game chat there is the foe list, it is an uncomplicated procedure to add a new foe. I've seen a lot worse from others, Fred's transgressions pale into insignificance in the face of much bigger offenders.

Also I don't like how some of you are now trying to drag Matt Hardy into this mess, don't witch hunt, come back only when you have proof of misdeeds.

[Hoagy]

Nice work Beckytheblondie.

There is some justice after all.

I had my own run-in with this arrogant piece of work in Game 4896721.

Well done.

From the looks of that game you played terrible. With that said anybody would be pissed after playing with you.

I probably did play terrible. So what? I was pretty new to that map at the time anyway.

The problem with some people is that they just have neither respect, manners nor common decency, and wouldn't even know what they were if they smacked them in face with them; never mind getting sore about the way people play.

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Well, I've said my piece on the matter now, so I'm going to leave this thread to everyone else, whether they be in favour of the ban or clueless two-faced sycophants rushing to Freds defence with their bleating, pathetic pleas. Me, I'm just going to enjoy the Fred-is-Dead tourney.

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[Caymanmew]

what dose Permanent Website Vacation mean can he buy his acconts back?

[Bruceswar]

Nice work Beckytheblondie.

There is some justice after all.

I had my own run-in with this arrogant piece of work in Game 4896721.

Well done.

From the looks of that game you played terrible. With that said anybody would be pissed after playing with you.

I probably did play terrible. So what? I was pretty new to that map at the time anyway.

The problem with some people is that they just have neither respect, manners nor common decency, and wouldn't even know what they were if they smacked them in face with them; never mind getting sore about the way people play.

That is where you fail to see it. For some this game is all about fun. Others want to win at all cost. Surely some people will get hot when someone plays terrible. Many have done it and many more will. Nothing to see here other than your terrible play.

[Bruceswar]

what dose Permanent Website Vacation mean can he buy his acconts back?

Read what andy wrote before you post.

[murphy16]

Guys, clearly this ruling has stirred up a lot of emotion. There was a lot of discussion up and back on this and this was the final outcome as decided by the administrators of CC. Some of you have claimed that Fred has never been warned before. That could not be farther from the truth. Fred (only on the new account) has already had 2 PM warnings from moderators, 2 official warnings, a permanent forum vacation, a temporary chat vacation, and a permanent chat vacation. Under the Jeff account he received 9 PM warnings, 1 official warning, a temporary chat vacation, a temporary website vacation, and a permanent website vacation. Clearly this user was not angelic. The punishment for this action may seem over the top, but the action must also be taken in context of the previous actions. This user was not allowed access to the forums because he could not stay within the guidelines of the forums. He was not allowed into chat because he continued to not follow the guidelines of chat. Now he could not stop harassing other members of the community in the last vestige of interaction he still had accessible to him. Therefore, he was sent on his way. Arguing is not going to get him back.

This post is not completely true. On the Fred account he received 1 Live Chat warning and 1 24h Live Chat ban which wasn't lifted after 24h and turned into a permanent ban. He was not warned or given a temporary forum ban because he never did wrong in the forum. The closest thing he got to a warning was cicero PMing him, asking him to reword a suggestion about anti-farming. The forum ban was given as a punishment for his other account being hacked, nothing else. On the Jeff Hardy account he received 3 warnings. 1 was for account sitting a teammate (lanyards) who was about to miss a turn, 1 was for discussing mods decisions in Live Chat (which he did again and got 24 hours for) and 1 was for nearly getting a game thrown to him (however he lost the game in question). The other official PMs he got were from twill, giving him suggestions as to how not to get hacked. The Jeff Hardy account did not receive a temporary or a permanent site ban, it was merely made inactive because maxatstuy hacked it. To use his history against him like you did is far from fair, because he has been treated unfairly by the mods in the past, aswell.

[the.killing.44]

Now he could not stop harassing other members of the community in the last vestige of interaction he still had accessible to him. Therefore, he was sent on his way.

But that is the thing: "harassing other members," as you put it, is NOT a bannable offense in this "last vestige." I agree with what you said, how the previous bans and warnings should indeed place an effect on how something is taken. And if something had happened over PM, or in the forum (I know he was banned), then the warning should definitely affect the decision of the mods/admins. But in this case, I think that you cannot let previous warnings effect occurrences out of context. You said, "the action must also be taken in context of the previous actions." But you most definitely took it OUT of context here, by stating that one form of crime that infringes the rules can impact how a LEGAL action is viewed. You've let the context shape, and even CREATE the crime — his action was NOT against the rules, whether he was "angelic" or not.

Which leads me to my next point: The Community Guidelines are wrong. Or rather, posters — users and admins alike — do not use the Guidelines as they should. The Guidelines state:

• Banter and some trash talking IS allowed in the Game Chats, so don't waste time complaining about that.
• You may not be used to hearing or reading those "four-letter words", but some people do and will use them. This isn't a reason to open a complaint about the player; just kindly ask them to stop or ignore them.

Now while in making your decision to ban Fred you totally disregarded the very guidelines that were quoted and have been used in the EXACT same situation, each of which to a DIFFERENT conclusion, that isn't my point. You can see they expressly state:

This isn't a reason to open a complaint about the player; just kindly ask them to stop or ignore them.

Well guess what: people do complain about it. And, exactly against the Guidelines, they are both ENCOURAGED to open a complaint, and are even REWARDED for it. In fact, I linked those threads also as examples of how everyone goes AGAINST the Guidelines and posts complaints about game chat. And now, someone gets banned over that! Something outlined as a non-bannable offense in the Community Guidelines.

So I also suggest that we change the Community Guidelines to state that either is in indeed okay to report people and how something is going to come of it! It is so ironic that people violate the rules and yet are rewarded for it, especially in this case.

I would like to see a mod or admin step up and tell me how Fred's ban because of (MILD) game chat abuse was warranted. And you cannot give me that B.S. how his "previous actions were taken into account," because just because someone was banned from other "vestiges of communication" does NOT mean that their past infractions can CHANGE the rules! And if the previous sentence is indeed true, I can't care to see how a society where doing something against the law means a perfectly legal action with no reason for punishment turns into one leading to the harshest and FINAL punishment.

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[jefjef]

[/b] I can't care to see how a society where doing something against the law means a perfectly legal action with no reason for punishment turns into one leading to the harshest and FINAL punishment.[/i]

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It's called being made an example of.( all of which depends upon who you are and who doesn't like you.)

[reckedracing]

I don't think fred should be banned. Lots of people are abrasive and use bad language on this site.
Everyone gets frustrated at one point or another, and fred is a shit talker.
If you don't like playing with him then foe him and don't join his games.
Lots of people do enjoy playing with him, especially people like me that like to talk shit to him as much as he talks.

He's already wall and forum banned.
Its not that god damn difficult to avoid someone on this site.
Just let him play.

You guys are getting a little out of control over a 15 year old kid that talks shit on the internet.