Once Upon A Killer Mafia (14/17) A Writers Block:Endgame

[UltrasPlot]

unvote dd
vote whatsausage
L-2, id like to see a claim (including flavor, don't pull a Storr)

Skoffin (1)-Kwanton
rishaed wth is this^

[Whatsausage]

Alright well I don't have time for a giant post right now, but since I am @ L2 and the day is nearly over, I suppose it is claim time. But first, @me not taking the lynch of myself seriously enough... I really didn't think the case on me was that strong, this game is filled with sheep

I am Satou Souma. I am a BPBG (bullet-proof bodyguard). Each night I can choose one person to guard and I will protect them from the first shot on them (A second shot would hit them, not me). I also am informed of whether I was hit or not. So this role plays very similarly to a doctor, in that I am protective of a choice person one time each night. The main differences are that I cannot save them from themselves and I know if I made a save or not.

To answer any possible questions:
Night 1 I tried to protect virus, but was unable to save him from himself. (No one else targeted him for a kill)
I chose him to protect because I felt he would be a likely target from scum if he wasn't scum. He would've been very suspect if he hadn't died or been targeted.
My bullet-proof ability is once each night, not once total.
If I am targeted for the kill, I am not bulletproof. (I imagine it as when I'm guarding them I see an attack coming, but cannot see one on myself)
I don't guard from delayed kills (like poisoner)


Fp'd ultra
You are the second to say I'm at l-2...

[Whatsausage]

Looking back, I am indeed at L-1 now... So... Could someone unvote to stop streaker quickhammering me to save himself?

[StorrZerg]

Why didn't you instantly believe the virus ultra claim, with the role you had

[Army of GOD]

Why didn't you instantly believe the virus ultra claim, with the role you had

Not sure what you mean here...

[Army of GOD]

Also, whatsausage, I'm curious as to who you saved and why last night, I'd your claim is true.

[Army of GOD]

If not I'd

[StorrZerg]

He all ready claimed who....

[Army of GOD]

God dammit, sorry, I'm drunk and have no idea how I missed that.


Anyway, what? Why'd you save virus if you voted to lynch him (when the D1 ended your vote was still on him) D1? That doesn't make any sense and makes you more scummy.

[Streaker]

unvote dd
vote whatsausage
L-2, id like to see a claim (including flavor, don't pull a Storr)

Skoffin (1)-Kwanton
rishaed wth is this^

So you won't let WS get away with a half claim, but Storr is allowed? Wth? Seriously, Id' still like to lynch you.
Whatsausage, do you honestly believe i'd quickhammer you? I don't even read you as scum, despite the case on you.

My own lynch would be bad for town, but it would set so many people on their place...
I'll look into the claim from WS.

[HotShot53]

Aage's claim posts in the spoiler

[spoiler]

I believe I got the wackiest role of all time from the mod since he won't tell me what my night action does. I am supposed to send in a number and a name, and *something* will happen.
I just sent a pm to the mod asking whether it counts as a visitation, since I have no clue what it does.
If someone else visited Mtam, please say so, since it would out Storr as a liar.

What I know is that my action probably doesn't involve healing of any kind, so that means HotShot at least is not a killer. I will echo Ultra in that you should unvote.

Interesting how Aage is playing. Several times already he's taking heat away from Storr, protecting him. The past times could be credited to a town read, but his blatant protection clame is too much.
What were you hoping to achieve with that claim, Aage?

Especially the 'I'm sure i'm not a healer, I think' was weird at least.

The fact that Storr is first gathering information about whom did what, and THEN starting to claim in bits and parts about what his power is, is just super scummy.

I was trying to achieve two things.
First of all I was trying to find out whether Storr had any information concerning what my role does. The mod has now finally yielded more info to me, but when I sent in the action, I didn't even know if it would go off, and could have been a killing action for all I knew.
Second of all I was trying to see if I could catch Storr in a lie, probably the same thing he was trying to do with me. He deliberately withheld the information of the second visitor, which led me to believe he found someone who had posted after he claimed he watched Mtamb. When he initially said that he saw "nothing", I asked about the phrasing because (a) I didn't know if he could see me visit, and (b) I didn't know if he'd been blocked. When he said he saw two people, it would either have to be me, or a member of the mafia, or he had to be lying. Hence why I asked for confirmation the way I did.

Mod responded to my pm, so I will fullclaim and give the information to avoid suspicion. As far as I'm aware, Storr's role is confirmed and HotShot definitely visited Mtam last night.
My name is Takanashi Kozue, my role is Town Drunk. I send in a name, a number and have 33% chance that "it" will succeed. This is the information I've had since the beginning of the game.
Since today, I know more. A similar role was used in a previous game by Rishaed, look at this post, Little Witt's role (the top spoiler). My version is a little different since the original role had Doc, Roleblock, Mason two random people, Cupid (make lovers), or busdrive. I can't mason or cupid people (thank god), although I can doc, roleblock or busdrive (don't know how the last one works, just pm'd rish about it). My actions "may or may not work". I show up on a watcher report. Depressed Dave was 3rd party, I'm town aligned.

As for me protecting Storr "omg theyre both mafia"; why would he claim that he saw 2 people visit, and why would I respond to that? Much easier to just say "only hotshot visited" and leave it at that. No need for me to say anything, or get out of my everyone-reads-me-town hidey-hole.


@Streaker above me: tbh I'd rather lynch a roleblocker than a jailkeeper, seeing as they're more likely to be mafia, but we'll get to that.

@Streaker
No, I don't have to send in an action. That's one of the things I also asked the mod today, because it's unreliable as f*ck and there isn't really a way to guarantee that my action will help town. I'm considering never using it at all.

@Storr
I asked the mod, no way to tell for sure whether my action was successful // which action I ended up doing. But HotShot seems cleared for now, imo, and I'd rather push others (or defend myself, if need be), so I'll be looking into that Strike Wolf case at long last.
The least you can gather from your result is that, at the least, one of us cannot be mafia. (Only the two of us visited, Mtamb lives; if we were both mafia, he'd be dead.)

as for hotshot/aage. I'm awaiting the response of aage regarding his 3rd option (bus driver thing) and if that would have over ridden a "jail keeper"

regarding setup, and current claims.

I think its unlikely we have another town blocking mechanic with a "blocker claim + jailer"
I also think that at most we have 1 additional "saving mechanic"

So considering this, I think its impossible for aage and hotshot to both be scum (of the same team)
I think if aage and hotshot are both town, then who ever else has a save mechanic, most likely saved someone correctly. (thus likely that person is town)

Another option would be, an additional redirected power / bus driver mechanic. this seems unlikely with AoG 1.0 death. Thus its likely safe to assume ultra(virus, assuming ultra was the target, and virus sacrificed himself for ultra) death was not caused by mafia.

honestly looking closer at hotshot/aage. they have very similar claims (yes powers are different) but we have 2 protective and 2 blocking claimed from both of them.

(fyi, my watch stuff, is assuming i can watch the killer kill someone, i assume the factional kill / s of a mafia has to carried out by a certain player, and can be watched)
I'm asking for clarification on this. (and there is possibility of a mafia having power to not be detected by tracker/watcher not to be ruled out, but if thats the case then i can't do anything about it)

You couldn't make this crap up, but I can say with certainty that I used the doc action last night.

Rishaed just informed me that I can now choose which action I use. In the original pm he said that I should pick a number 1-3, and I assumed that had to do with the "chance" of "it" happening. Turns out it has to do with the action that I end up doing, the chance of failure is rng by the mod. I sent in "1", and after Rish asked me to also name a player, I sent in "mtam". The 1 relates to a doc action, 2 relates to a busdrive action, 3 relates to a roleblock. So my role has suddenly become sort of useful. If you don't buy this I understand, because I also know that this looks sketchy as hell, but I'm 100% sure that IF my action succeeded, that it was a doc action.
I think the mod waited with this information firstly because he admitted he forgot to put it in my pm (smh) and because I have to send in 2 names for a proper busdrive, which I couldn't do if I wasn't aware.

I'm in the process of reading all of Strike's post, I'm now at his Mother Of All Posts on page 22. Will probably post my input on the case later tonight.

[/spoiler]

So he started off saying the mod wouldn't tell him what his role does, but probably not a healer. Then mod responded saying he could be a doc, roleblocker or busdriver, but he wouldn't know which he did, or if he was successful. After storr says if either aage or I could prevent a kill we probably did, aage now knows he is a doc, and can actually pick his role from now on (though still only successful 33% of the time).

Is this sequence possible? Yeah, I guess it's possible, Can there be doubt about it? Yeah, for sure can doubt it. It is a great fake claim possibility, since if he's spotted visiting someone and his claimed action doesn't happen, well, it was just the 66% chance of failing.

And if you assume from strike's post that rishead would include blocked kills in the flavor, aage could always be a framer, figuring someone would investigate mtam, or a scum roleblocker thinking mtam was a vig, etc.

So I don't really buy the claim. Aage's only "case" on anyone was his two posts casting doubt on my reads, otherwise he just follows bandwagons.

Since whatsausage is L-1 now, I will unvote, vote aage I have to go out for a bit now, will be back this afternoon to re-read the whatsausage/streaker cases to see which should be the lynch.

[aage]

Eh, what?

http://wagnaria.wikia.com/wiki/Jun_Satou
http://wagnaria.wikia.com/wiki/Hiroomi_Souma

Which one are you? These are both characters from the Anime my character is from, but there is no "Satou Souma" anywhere in there.

[strike wolf]

What Aage just said. I couldnt find any reference to a satou Souma other than a facebook account.

[aage]

Why are you not pointing out that streaker wanted to focus on people pushing virus, yet he fails to mention HotShot53 or whatsausage.

Well, obviously Streaker and HotShot are in cahoots since they started pushing me and WhatSausage is streaker's scumbuddy.
/cynicism

Ok, the big thing that is itching me on streaker being town. His claim.

Ah f*ck. I really didn't want to lynch HotShot. However I cannot accept his jailkeeper claim.
Will read thoroughly today, especially the case on him.

For his claim alone, however, I'm willing to hammer him (still plenty to deadline).

Takes a very strong stance on the claim of hotshot, very which strongly indicates he plans to counter claim. Since, hotshots role is usually considered more of a townie role.

It's an excellent place to hide as mafia roleblocker. Someone claims a blocking-related role, you counterclaim as town roleblocker. If you're lucky, the other guy gets lynched. If not, you have a town-esque position and a provable role. It may be a bunch of WIFOM but Streaker "counterclaiming" HotShot's jailor role is irrelevant to the going-ons of the day (since, as you can see, HotShot is not being questioned for his claim) and therefore a completely useless action. It only scores hypothetical points on the town-front, doesn't help anyone at all.

Now considering there are now three roles that are capable of blocking, I don't think it's a stretch to assume not all of them are town. HotShot I believe to be town, which leaves Streaker.

Then there's the scaremonger argument: if Streaker is a mafia roleblocker, he could to three things:
1) block Storr, giving him no watch report and denying us information.
2) block Ultra, removing two kills from the Town's resource pool
3) block Mtam, leading to us mislynching him tomorrow (since he didn't resurrect and we have no way to prove if he did).
Best-case scenario, he blocks Mtam and Storr sees him visit. He won't do this because he's not stupid.
Worst-case scenario, he blocks Ultra and mafia kills Storr (assuming WS is guarding someone else / isn't a town bodyguard / gets lynched)

Secondly we have his stance on the situation, "he knows roleblocker is mafia alligned" Usually mafia don't want to admit something like this in a counter claim, specially since it weakens the counter claim to state something like this. Town, even with mafia sided roles are usually more forthcoming with this kind of information. Note, like zivel in game of thrones mafia was a role that was immune to checks of all kinds, yet was town. A mafia would never want to admit having this kind of power, since it throws huge suspicion on the player. The same goes for how streaker is acting with this claim. Yet, zivel announces this information, since its helpful for the rest of town to know this. And as a town person, you know you are clean, thus how you portray this information comes from a more innocence kind of claim, which imo is harder to fake as mafia.

BUT IT DOESN'T THROW SUSPICION ON THE PLAYER PER YOUR RATIONALE, so why would he not "counterclaim" Town Roleblocker as mafia? With the amount of claims going down today, it's actually smarter to throw it in early. So far you believe that all mafia reside within the unclaimed player pool, which is ridiculous. They're not stupid, they see what's going on. If all mafia were the last to claim, it would out them in no time.

If someone somehow were to find out that Streaker was a roleblocker before he claimed, then yes he would definitely be lynched for being mafia.
But that's not what happened. Streaker squeezed his claim in after another player claimed a roleblocking Town role.
Something being harder to fake doesn't make it impossible.

[aage]

Currently the best lynch is WhatSausage for his non-existent claim. I'll be pushing for Streaker again tomorrow, unless Ultra shoots me (twice).

[Streaker]

Currently the best lynch is WhatSausage for his non-existent claim. I'll be pushing for Streaker again tomorrow, unless Ultra shoots me (twice).

I have investigated WS claim, but no reference anywhere... Willing to vote him now, as I expected more of his claim. If you like me to claim today, fine. If you want me to wait until tomorrow, fine as well.
You'll find my claim more believable as I didn't have to make it up.

@Aage:

Why are you not pointing out that streaker wanted to focus on people pushing virus, yet he fails to mention HotShot53 or whatsausage.


Well, obviously Streaker and HotShot are in cahoots since they started pushing me and WhatSausage is streaker's scumbuddy.
/cynicism




Ok, the big thing that is itching me on streaker being town. His claim.



Ah f*ck. I really didn't want to lynch HotShot. However I cannot accept his jailkeeper claim.
Will read thoroughly today, especially the case on him.

For his claim alone, however, I'm willing to hammer him (still plenty to deadline).



Takes a very strong stance on the claim of hotshot, very which strongly indicates he plans to counter claim. Since, hotshots role is usually considered more of a townie role.


It's an excellent place to hide as mafia roleblocker. Someone claims a blocking-related role, you counterclaim as town roleblocker. If you're lucky, the other guy gets lynched. If not, you have a town-esque position and a provable role. It may be a bunch of WIFOM but Streaker "counterclaiming" HotShot's jailor role is irrelevant to the going-ons of the day (since, as you can see, HotShot is not being questioned for his claim) and therefore a completely useless action. It only scores hypothetical points on the town-front, doesn't help anyone at all.

Now considering there are now three roles that are capable of blocking, I don't think it's a stretch to assume not all of them are town. HotShot I believe to be town, which leaves Streaker.

Then there's the scaremonger argument: if Streaker is a mafia roleblocker, he could to three things:
1) block Storr, giving him no watch report and denying us information.
2) block Ultra, removing two kills from the Town's resource pool
3) block Mtam, leading to us mislynching him tomorrow (since he didn't resurrect and we have no way to prove if he did).
Best-case scenario, he blocks Mtam and Storr sees him visit. He won't do this because he's not stupid.
Worst-case scenario, he blocks Ultra and mafia kills Storr (assuming WS is guarding someone else / isn't a town bodyguard / gets lynched)




Secondly we have his stance on the situation, "he knows roleblocker is mafia alligned" Usually mafia don't want to admit something like this in a counter claim, specially since it weakens the counter claim to state something like this. Town, even with mafia sided roles are usually more forthcoming with this kind of information. Note, like zivel in game of thrones mafia was a role that was immune to checks of all kinds, yet was town. A mafia would never want to admit having this kind of power, since it throws huge suspicion on the player. The same goes for how streaker is acting with this claim. Yet, zivel announces this information, since its helpful for the rest of town to know this. And as a town person, you know you are clean, thus how you portray this information comes from a more innocence kind of claim, which imo is harder to fake as mafia.


BUT IT DOESN'T THROW SUSPICION ON THE PLAYER PER YOUR RATIONALE, so why would he not "counterclaim" Town Roleblocker as mafia? With the amount of claims going down today, it's actually smarter to throw it in early. So far you believe that all mafia reside within the unclaimed player pool, which is ridiculous. They're not stupid, they see what's going on. If all mafia were the last to claim, it would out them in no time.

If someone somehow were to find out that Streaker was a roleblocker before he claimed, then yes he would definitely be lynched for being mafia.
But that's not what happened. Streaker squeezed his claim in after another player claimed a roleblocking Town role.
Something being harder to fake doesn't make it impossible.

All of your post is negated by this: WHY WOULD I EVER CLAIM WHAT I DID AS MAFIA. It makes no sense. If anything it drew so much attention to me I'm almost lynched. Why would I claim it indeed, with so many unknown roles left? Someone could CC me as well. Think it through mate. It makes no sense.

Unvote, vote whatsausage

[aage]

@Aage:

Why are you not pointing out that streaker wanted to focus on people pushing virus, yet he fails to mention HotShot53 or whatsausage.


Well, obviously Streaker and HotShot are in cahoots since they started pushing me and WhatSausage is streaker's scumbuddy.
/cynicism




Ok, the big thing that is itching me on streaker being town. His claim.



Ah f*ck. I really didn't want to lynch HotShot. However I cannot accept his jailkeeper claim.
Will read thoroughly today, especially the case on him.

For his claim alone, however, I'm willing to hammer him (still plenty to deadline).



Takes a very strong stance on the claim of hotshot, very which strongly indicates he plans to counter claim. Since, hotshots role is usually considered more of a townie role.


It's an excellent place to hide as mafia roleblocker. Someone claims a blocking-related role, you counterclaim as town roleblocker. If you're lucky, the other guy gets lynched. If not, you have a town-esque position and a provable role. It may be a bunch of WIFOM but Streaker "counterclaiming" HotShot's jailor role is irrelevant to the going-ons of the day (since, as you can see, HotShot is not being questioned for his claim) and therefore a completely useless action. It only scores hypothetical points on the town-front, doesn't help anyone at all.

Now considering there are now three roles that are capable of blocking, I don't think it's a stretch to assume not all of them are town. HotShot I believe to be town, which leaves Streaker.

Then there's the scaremonger argument: if Streaker is a mafia roleblocker, he could to three things:
1) block Storr, giving him no watch report and denying us information.
2) block Ultra, removing two kills from the Town's resource pool
3) block Mtam, leading to us mislynching him tomorrow (since he didn't resurrect and we have no way to prove if he did).
Best-case scenario, he blocks Mtam and Storr sees him visit. He won't do this because he's not stupid.
Worst-case scenario, he blocks Ultra and mafia kills Storr (assuming WS is guarding someone else / isn't a town bodyguard / gets lynched)




Secondly we have his stance on the situation, "he knows roleblocker is mafia alligned" Usually mafia don't want to admit something like this in a counter claim, specially since it weakens the counter claim to state something like this. Town, even with mafia sided roles are usually more forthcoming with this kind of information. Note, like zivel in game of thrones mafia was a role that was immune to checks of all kinds, yet was town. A mafia would never want to admit having this kind of power, since it throws huge suspicion on the player. The same goes for how streaker is acting with this claim. Yet, zivel announces this information, since its helpful for the rest of town to know this. And as a town person, you know you are clean, thus how you portray this information comes from a more innocence kind of claim, which imo is harder to fake as mafia.


BUT IT DOESN'T THROW SUSPICION ON THE PLAYER PER YOUR RATIONALE, so why would he not "counterclaim" Town Roleblocker as mafia? With the amount of claims going down today, it's actually smarter to throw it in early. So far you believe that all mafia reside within the unclaimed player pool, which is ridiculous. They're not stupid, they see what's going on. If all mafia were the last to claim, it would out them in no time.

If someone somehow were to find out that Streaker was a roleblocker before he claimed, then yes he would definitely be lynched for being mafia.
But that's not what happened. Streaker squeezed his claim in after another player claimed a roleblocking Town role.
Something being harder to fake doesn't make it impossible.

All of your post is negated by this: WHY WOULD I EVER CLAIM WHAT I DID AS MAFIA. It makes no sense. If anything it drew so much attention to me I'm almost lynched. Why would I claim it indeed, with so many unknown roles left? Someone could CC me as well. Think it through mate. It makes no sense.

Unvote, vote whatsausage

'cause of the red bit. I thought that was obvious.

And there aren't so many unclaimed left as you think. Zivel has a lover, probably hanging in the pool of unclaimed. Ultra, Zivel, Storr, HotShot, me, DD, mtam all claimed before you did. AoG claimed like two minutes later, now we have a WhatSausage claim too. Only unclaimed left are Strike, PCM, Ana, Crasp, TFO. I will lose faith in their game skills if they're the mafia.

[Streaker]

My claim didn't help anyone at all. Agreed. Though I already went deeper into this in previous posts.
I don't agree with your assessment.

[aage]

My claim didn't help anyone at all. Agreed. Though I already went deeper into this in previous posts.
I don't agree with your assessment.

Alright, agree to disagree I guess, great argument. We'll probably lynch Whatsausage today at this rate, so I'll look back on the situation tomorrow, but your actions early D2 were scummy and I don't think your claim bought you town points.

[aage]

Also WhatSausage, although I hate this online mechanic, I see you in browsing list... anything to add? Or just gonna scumarine and hope it goes away?

[Whatsausage]

I have investigated WS claim, but no reference anywhere... Willing to vote him now, as I expected more of his claim. If you like me to claim today, fine. If you want me to wait until tomorrow, fine as well.
You'll find my claim more believable as I didn't have to make it up.



All of your post is negated by this: WHY WOULD I EVER CLAIM WHAT I DID AS MAFIA. It makes no sense. If anything it drew so much attention to me I'm almost lynched. Why would I claim it indeed, with so many unknown roles left? Someone could CC me as well. Think it through mate. It makes no sense.

Unvote, vote whatsausage

So... I have finally gotten around to looking up my "character". All the mod had told me was that if I wanted to know more about my character I should look up Working!! but apparently I was given a combination of two characters. I didn't really care to look before because I didn't imagine my flavor would be questioned.

I have no idea why I was given a combination like that. Perhaps it is just a mod error. (Or maybe he is into fanfics )From looking it up it appears that Satou and Souma are last names of two of the main characters, who both work in a kitchen. It appears that Satou is interested in a female (Yachiyo) and Souma is a meddler trying to help him out with this pursuit. So I don't know if the mod meant to mix them together or if I should just be one or the other. The role makes sense as a protective role, as it appears I would be trying to protect Yachiyo (if she's in the game).

Streaker: I would like to direct your attention to your post above (in green). As you said yourself: this claim doesn't make any sense. If I was scum, do you really think I would make up a name out of nowhere as you're suggesting? I would either claim a character from an obscure manga playing the odds that no one had it, or would roll with the name I was given and try to sell it as town.

fpd twice
aage I was posting

I am out of time, hopefully I can make it back before the deadline, but I should vote streaker first, since I know I am town, and read him scummy before. So I know he is a better choice than me (any chance better than no chance of finding scum)

[Army of GOD]

@aage, I never claimed, I just said I visited mtam last night.

[StorrZerg]

@whatsausage can you explain why you "saved" virus?
what changed your mind, to thinking ultra/virus are town?

[aage]

@aage, I never claimed, I just said I visited mtam last night.

You also said that you "found nothing of interest" or something close to that. Constitutes to claiming for the purposes of my point.

@Storr, I don't think he said he thought Virus was town, just that IF he WAS town that he would probably be targeted.


Sausage's response... rish told me the same thing (to look up Working!) but given how into manga Rish seems to be, I don't think he'd mess up the name. If you were two characters, then I believe you'd have seen that in your pm.

[aage]

Meh.

Unvote, vote Whatsausage

Shoot me if he flips town.