[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[PLAYER57832]

Here some music in the distance, off beyond the orchard. Start that way, don't get far. See a faint wispy figure, strumming a guitar. He stops, waves, and disappears off into the distance.

Glenn Frey, stopping by for a last strum.

[AladdinSane]

So now that we are into D3 - Modpost scene imminent hopefully - Lets look at Aladdins involvement in the two lynches.

D1 - As we saw Aladdin got overexcited by the idea of lynching non-mafia D1, and so did everything in his power to help IB push the Hotshot lynch through. He goes on and on and on about our "circle of trust" without acknowledging the "trust" he had in IB so early in the game. IB's play was bold, but it was Aladdin alone who implicitedly just accepted it.

So we have a player who jumped for joy at a non-mafia lynch target D1,

Firt of all, congrats orn FINORLY putting together sum sort of allejed case, rather than just repeeting bald accuzayshuns. It took a LOT of prodding, but you FINORLY did it! However, it is not wun that holds any worter. I'll deel wit it in tree separate seckshuns. First, D1 vote (awreddy discussed ad norseum):

1. I didernt "jump fer joy" at teh HS linch, tho I did (and still do) tink it was a good linch. Hear is my reackshun after teh linch:

Well done people, that was pointless. Information learnt zero. Dangerous players killed zero. Sounds to me like Hotshot was a 3rd party survivor.

(No this doesnt mean I think IB lied)

Wait, how do you no HotShot wasn't dangerous too Town? He was a delusional escapee. What part of that says "not dangerous to Town"?

Also, why do you say we learned nothing? We can now (slightly) have more confidence in IB than before, since nothing in HotShot's death contradicts what he said. Granted, we don't know for sure that HS was dangerous, but maybe we dodged a bullet by lynching him.

Exactly what would we have learned by lynching someone else? You are being suspiciously negative about the whole HotShot thing right out of the gate.

ib may have been telling the truth regarding his role, but this does not mean that he is town. asylum guard could just as easily be mafia aligned.....not saying that he is, just that we should not treat him as confirmed town.

I agree - we shouldn't consider IB confirmed Town. He might even be anti-Town but in a rival faction to HS, who might or might not have been anti-Town.

As you can see, I WOZENT the case dat I " implicitedly just accepted it" (IB's story). I ackshually sed we shoodent consider IB confirmed Town. This was my very first reaction to IB's announsement:

6. At this point, I am not inclined to vote for either you or Hotshot.

(to IB)

Hear is why I was behind teh HS linch: if HS had flipped Town, we wood have had a good case agenst IB - if IB had den flipped Mafia, it wood have been a good swap dat favored Town. If HS had flipped Mafia or SK or sumting, grate for Town, and we wood have more reeson for confidents in IB. Ditto when HS flipped 3P surviver, it gave us a reeson to have a littul more confidents in IB, since it dident contradicked anyfink IB sed. Also, if IB was tellink teh trooth, HS presented a thret to Town, so not linching him was a risk. Also also, wot reel alternatives were there? Let's have a look at teh D1 vote:

Vote count

1. Marashu
2. madmitch
3. ptlowe (2): virus90
4. benga
5. TimWoodbury (replaced by WCG)
6. mtamburini
7. pancakemix (1): skoffin
8. LSU Tiger Josh
9. Skoffin
10. AladdinSane (2): benga, the white rose
11. thechuck51
12. / (1): Marashu,
13. Iron Butterfly
14. virus90
15. DJPatrick
16. rishaed
17. StorrZerg (1): Hotshot53
18. HotShot53 (12): /, Rishaed, DJPatrick, whatsausage, madmitch, LSU Tiger Josh, Ragian, the white rose, rizky_biznezz, Storrzerg, AlladinSane, player57832
19. Metsfanmax (0):
20. rizky_biznezz
21. the warrior65
22. Whatsausage
23. Falkomagno
24. Ragian (0):
25. PLAYER57832 (1): Ragian
26. the white rose (1): ptlowe
27. CatchersMitt14
28. degaston
NO LYNCH (0):

So, no fewer than TWELVE of us voted for HS, yet you act like I alone linched him. And it's not like enyone else was attrackting mutch in teh way of serious (as opposed to joke) votes. Are you trying to say orl dose peepul were influenced by me? dat's flattering, but I don't fink so.

BTW: wear was YORE vote? You were oawreddy in teh game at that point (and awreddy on my case). You spent a lot of time crittersizing teh linch on HS but you dont get to do dat wen you dont vote. Same IRL - if you dont vote, don't crittersize teh governmint.

Moor to follow wen I have time.

[AladdinSane]

All I get is Aladdin jumping down my throat every time I do post something of substance.

Excuse me? Did you reely just post dat? I'M jumping down YORE throte evry time YOU post sumting of substanse?

You either lack self-awareness to an incredibul degree, or you are displaying a fine sense of ironic humor. I'm leening hevily toward teh former.

Your a moron....your death will only improve the game.

Oh vishus, you hit me wit a flower. By teh way, it's "You're". Speling is inportant. Stay in skool, kidz.

Evrywun, pleese remember dis if I get NKed tonite.

[AladdinSane]

Here some music in the distance, off beyond the orchard. Start that way, don't get far. See a faint wispy figure, strumming a guitar. He stops, waves, and disappears off into the distance.

Glenn Frey, stopping by for a last strum.

Storr is going to go postol over dis. LOL.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Also, why do you say we learned nothing? We can now (slightly) have more confidence in IB than before, since nothing in HotShot's death contradicts what he said.

I agree - we shouldn't consider IB confirmed Town. He might even be anti-Town but in a rival faction to HS, who might or might not have been anti-Town.

Ahem - So which was it? More confidence in IB or less? Even your defence has no consistency. These are within a few lines of each other in your "defense".

BTW: wear was YORE vote? You were oawreddy in teh game at that point (and awreddy on my case). You spent a lot of time crittersizing teh linch on HS but you dont get to do dat wen you dont vote. Same IRL - if you dont vote, don't crittersize teh governmint.

Player hammered Hotshot 3 posts before my first post of the game. I voted you with my first post of the game. I would have thought you remembered that seeing as you havent stopped banging on about me "attacking you right off the bat".

[AladdinSane]

Also, why do you say we learned nothing? We can now (slightly) have more confidence in IB than before, since nothing in HotShot's death contradicts what he said.

I agree - we shouldn't consider IB confirmed Town. He might even be anti-Town but in a rival faction to HS, who might or might not have been anti-Town.

Ahem - So which was it? More confidence in IB or less? Even your defence has no consistency. These are within a few lines of each other in your "defense".

BTW: wear was YORE vote? You were oawreddy in teh game at that point (and awreddy on my case). You spent a lot of time crittersizing teh linch on HS but you dont get to do dat wen you dont vote. Same IRL - if you dont vote, don't crittersize teh governmint.

Player hammered Hotshot 3 posts before my first post of the game. I voted you with my first post of the game. I would have thought you remembered that seeing as you havent stopped banging on about me "attacking you right off the bat".

Now yer just been dumb. The firt quote sez we can now have moor confidence in IB; the secund sez we shoodent consider him confirmed Town. Those tings arnt contradicktory: We can have moor confidence in IB, but shoulent consider him confirmed (i.e. 100%) Town.

Player dident hamer HS, I did. See dat vote by "/" at teh start? The hamer was the 11th vote - mine - since der were 15-4 vores rekwired to hamer. If you had been reeding, you'd have seen I took some stik from Degaston fer hamering and ending teh day erly.

Orl I no is dat the votecount puts you in teh game at dat point, replacing Tim Woodbury.

[StorrZerg]

lets not get on the delusional hype train and focus back to the game. ignore apples, 0 point talking

This is why I voted for you and other people get upset with you, Honestly I think you are a intelligent and probably a nice person, but you are coming on to strong actually telling people what to do, for example mass claiming and now ignore the apple and other posts in this game, I hope it is the role you have and not you real life persona. Oh by the way you should of ate the apple

good thing that you're not voting for something thats going to be alignment indictative

[StorrZerg]

I wish i had a special power to just shoot people that made pointless posts. this game would be over very quick

you mean you are the one true god and have no special powers? pffft!

eah marashu is coming back. best i can do

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Now yer just been dumb. The firt quote sez we can now have moor confidence in IB; the secund sez we shoodent consider him confirmed Town. Those tings arnt contradicktory: We can have moor confidence in IB, but shoulent consider him confirmed (i.e. 100%) Town.

Do you or do you not consider IB to be town?

(Read p19, you will see my vote)

[AladdinSane]

Here some music in the distance, off beyond the orchard. Start that way, don't get far. See a faint wispy figure, strumming a guitar. He stops, waves, and disappears off into the distance.

Glenn Frey, stopping by for a last strum.

Oh, rite. He's ded. I shood follow teh news moor, I gess. Been a bad fortnite fer rock legends.

[rizky_biznezz]

Aladdin didn't jump on board with IB straight away he did question the whole thing first and I also agreed with the hotshot lynch so I would have preferred an answer to the other part of wings case against him.. Why spend so much time pinning those few as scum to turn around and say town Aladdin?

[AladdinSane]

Now yer just been dumb. The firt quote sez we can now have moor confidence in IB; the secund sez we shoodent consider him confirmed Town. Those tings arnt contradicktory: We can have moor confidence in IB, but shoulent consider him confirmed (i.e. 100%) Town.

Do you or do you not consider IB to be town?

(Read p19, you will see my vote)

I tink dat wear you and sum other playas struggle a bit is dat you tink in very blunt, binery terms - 0/1 - True/False. I tink in "degrees of confidense". Tipically I rank playas on a 0-100 scale wear 0 = sertin scum and 100 = sertin Town. Playas only get a "0" or "100" rating wen their ded and we know fer shore wot dey were. Evrywun starts at 50 and moves up or down depending on events and their posts.

IB: Places grate faith in meta, and up to a point this is fine. But orl dis "I am teh voice of experiese, I play the deep inner game of Mafia" stuff just sounds a bit self-delushunol. Over reliance on meta as a way of reducing perceeved unsertanty. Overall, I'm inclined to tink he is teling the truth about teh 8-borl, but I dont have a solid reeson I can offer in suport of dat. Teh 8-borl itself tho seems unreliable - it reported Sausage as Twon when he was 3P. Leening Twon for IB.

As I mentioned, my rating of IB went up a bit when HS flipped. It dipped a littul when the 8-borl dident really come thru. IB's genral discusshun sees it go up a bit, but all dis cerkil jerk of truth BS wurries me a bit, so down a bit. Like I sed, "leening Town" - about 55-60/100 atm.

Now, wot is YORE current asessment of IB?

[AladdinSane]

Aladdin didn't jump on board with IB straight away he did question the whole thing first and I also agreed with the hotshot lynch so I would have preferred an answer to the other part of wings case against him.. Why spend so much time pinning those few as scum to turn around and say town Aladdin?

Yep, wil post parts 2&3 of my response to Wing later, maybe tomorow - I've awreddy posted a lot today, and that seems to be wun of teh meny tings peepul like to bitch about.

[PLAYER57832]

Right now, I want to lynch Gynkapo, but the only way that will happen is if a bunch of non-town folks go along. I honestly would not be too surprised to find out I am the only townie left.. don't really think this, just saying it would not shock me horribly.

I am starting to see why folks like mafia so much -- layers upon layers upon layers upon layers of truth, muddied truths and pure fiction.

[ptlowe]

Right now, I want to lynch Gynkapo, but the only way that will happen is if a bunch of non-town folks go along. I honestly would not be too surprised to find out I am the only townie left.. don't really think this, just saying it would not shock me horribly.

I am starting to see why folks like mafia so much -- layers upon layers upon layers upon layers of truth, muddied truths and pure fiction.

Highly doubt your towniness if your trying to lynch wing, id gladly lynch you over him.

[Iron Butterfly]

Right now, I want to lynch Gynkapo, but the only way that will happen is if a bunch of non-town folks go along. I honestly would not be too surprised to find out I am the only townie left.. don't really think this, just saying it would not shock me horribly.

I am starting to see why folks like mafia so much -- layers upon layers upon layers upon layers of truth, muddied truths and pure fiction.

The town doc, insane cop and 2 vanilla Townies have been the only to flip True. What makes you believe you are the only town left in a 28 player game?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I dont think Player has played mafia before? Finding every opportunity to claim town alliegance for no reason is a newb mafia mistake, not knowing the likely town ratio is just a newb mistake.

ALL - Streaker rarely logs in at weekends, so I have doubts about getting a scene till Monday.

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I left the apple, cause ew fruit.

If it's all the same to you wing, I'd rather not comment my immediate thoughts on over a third of the players in the game. Casting too wide of a net without being able to lynch just lets scum pick and choose who's left all the better. (IE: OMG, That guy who just said X is 100% scum just died! Ready the pitchforks!)

[AladdinSane]

ALL - Streaker rarely logs in at weekends, so I have doubts about getting a scene till Monday.

Maybe Dakky21 will do it?

[AladdinSane]

I left the apple, cause ew fruit.

If it's all the same to you wing, I'd rather not comment my immediate thoughts on over a third of the players in the game. Casting too wide of a net without being able to lynch just lets scum pick and choose who's left all the better. (IE: OMG, That guy who just said X is 100% scum just died! Ready the pitchforks!)

Maybe you cood give us a few reeds, tho? You've been pritty quite so far.

[PLAYER57832]

Right now, I want to lynch Gynkapo, but the only way that will happen is if a bunch of non-town folks go along. I honestly would not be too surprised to find out I am the only townie left.. don't really think this, just saying it would not shock me horribly.

I am starting to see why folks like mafia so much -- layers upon layers upon layers upon layers of truth, muddied truths and pure fiction.

The town doc, insane cop and 2 vanilla Townies have been the only to flip True. What makes you believe you are the only town left in a 28 player game?

Inexperience. Actually, I did not say I really thought that, just that it would not utterly shock me. And, I thought it was 22 people, not 28 playing.

[PLAYER57832]

Right now, I want to lynch Gynkapo, but the only way that will happen is if a bunch of non-town folks go along. I honestly would not be too surprised to find out I am the only townie left.. don't really think this, just saying it would not shock me horribly.

I am starting to see why folks like mafia so much -- layers upon layers upon layers upon layers of truth, muddied truths and pure fiction.

Highly doubt your towniness if your trying to lynch wing, id gladly lynch you over him.

You can doubt, but he has been drumming heavily against me, so.. yeah. I know what I am. You know what you are.

Remember, so far, only "good guys" have been lynched. That ought to set up some flags to anyone not mafia or otherwise anti-town.

[PLAYER57832]

I left the apple, cause ew fruit.

If it's all the same to you wing, I'd rather not comment my immediate thoughts on over a third of the players in the game. Casting too wide of a net without being able to lynch just lets scum pick and choose who's left all the better. (IE: OMG, That guy who just said X is 100% scum just died! Ready the pitchforks!)

This makes a lot of sense to me. The most sense of any post, really.

In my case, I think targeting a couple of people who persist on attacking me, is reasonable. Not so sure about the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" bit (which is how I came to think maybe aladdin is OK). At this point, I just want to get one real "bad guy". That would at least get the ball rolling.


Oh, and per the 28 people playing comment above... I thought it unlikely I was the sole survivor in a game of 22 (really thought it more likely there were at least 3 other townies), but in a 28 player game, then I do agree its impossible.

On to other thoughts, I am thinking we have not just mafia and third party, but perhaps a fourth faction as well. Or, it could be that there are a few lynchers that seem to me to be acting like a distinct faction. I am going to have to read up more on mafia in general, but from what I understand almost anything is possible in an announced bastard game.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

I left the apple, cause ew fruit.

If it's all the same to you wing, I'd rather not comment my immediate thoughts on over a third of the players in the game. Casting too wide of a net without being able to lynch just lets scum pick and choose who's left all the better. (IE: OMG, That guy who just said X is 100% scum just died! Ready the pitchforks!)

This makes a lot of sense to me. The most sense of any post, really.

In my case, I think targeting a couple of people who persist on attacking me, is reasonable. Not so sure about the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" bit (which is how I came to think maybe aladdin is OK). At this point, I just want to get one real "bad guy". That would at least get the ball rolling.


Oh, and per the 28 people playing comment above... I thought it unlikely I was the sole survivor in a game of 22 (really thought it more likely there were at least 3 other townies), but in a 28 player game, then I do agree its impossible.

On to other thoughts, I am thinking we have not just mafia and third party, but perhaps a fourth faction as well. Or, it could be that there are a few lynchers that seem to me to be acting like a distinct faction. I am going to have to read up more on mafia in general, but from what I understand almost anything is possible in an announced bastard game.

It does make a lot of sense not to give out the "confirmed" type targets to mafia to gun down. Usually there is only a couple of survivor type roles when they are given out. In regards to the enemy of my enemy is my friend, I wouldn't hold much water with that. Some good mafia players will sometimes throw a team mate "under the bus" to make themselves appear townish since only the mafia would actually know who isn't mafia barring a second group. With only one death on night 1, I'm betting against a second mafia being there although I wouldn't be surprised if there was possibly a cult since cult does not kill people. Also you don't want to play the mod. A good mod will have repercussions set up in their game making it a "bad thing" for town to actually do mass claims especially in a "bastard setup". There could be any role in there regardless if it is found on a page or not. To use some other site's "role types" as a be all and end all" in a mafia game is dangerous. Every game is different with different mods running the show. I know I've run my past mafia games different than some others and when the players tried to "play the mod" with matching up roles, it screwed over town quite significantly. If they had just played the game and focused on their own skills and clues to find mafia then they would've won.

[StorrZerg]

A good mod will have repercussions set up in their game making it a "bad thing" for town to actually do mass claims especially in a "bastard setup".

hence why i linked his previous games, and pointed out how he didnt add these factors into his previous games