New Jedi Order Mafia MOZ & VONG WIN

jnd94 · Post by **jnd94** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:06 am

I agree with gimpy about ga7. He has been everywhere on voting. Now he is attacking Skittles.

unvote vote ga7

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:07 am

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kwanton · Post by **kwanton** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:31 am

Skittles! wrote:Possibly the most active people are scum. From previous games, I've learnt that scum are normally either active or very active, and hardly ever submarine. If they submarine, who will they know whom to kill that night? If they have a role-blocker, whom will they know to role-block if they don't watch every little detail of everyone's post to guess who might have a night action.

Meh. Somewhat true. I would think that third-party members would submarine. It doesn't signify scumminess, since not all third parties are anti-town per se, but usually when someone is submarining with no real reason I think they aren't town.

freezie · Post by **freezie** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:58 am

wicked wrote:
freezie wrote:Wicked, I was basicly asking a question. I am confused about that mason jedis thingy.

Although it seems they don't know each others, that is, from what the jedis have said. That is what Neutrino said, am I right?

But my vote was from tres analysis, not from the fact I don't know what everyone is claiming about.

exactly my point. you don't know how jedis are operating, which is the same reason you stated for voting Neutrino!

What part of my post can't you read? This one?

But my vote was from tres analysis, not from the fact I don't know what everyone is claiming about.

Twisting my words much?

kalishnikov · Post by **kalishnikov** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:09 am

kwanton wrote:
Skittles! wrote:Possibly the most active people are scum. From previous games, I've learnt that scum are normally either active or very active, and hardly ever submarine. If they submarine, who will they know whom to kill that night? If they have a role-blocker, whom will they know to role-block if they don't watch every little detail of everyone's post to guess who might have a night action.
Meh. Somewhat true. I would think that third-party members would submarine. It doesn't signify scumminess, since not all third parties are anti-town per se, but usually when someone is submarining with no real reason I think they aren't town.

Speaking of submarining... Hi kwanton

Syzygy · Post by **Syzygy** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:15 am

Just pointing out that voting for two different people for the exact same reason, and splitting the votes, ain't going to help.

kalishnikov · Post by **kalishnikov** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:23 am

Neutrino wrote:Frankly, I'm supprised at the amount of momentum that can be built up from a relititively innocent statement, like "Jedi function like masons". How can this possibly be construed as a scumtell?

I admit, though, that I didn't do as much re-reading as I should have to check the accuracy of my statement (ie. any); at the time it didn't feel like I had too. I recalled one of the self confessed Jedi's saying something about mason communication and the idea itself made sence (the Jedi can sence eachother through the Force). Unfortunatly, my recollection and logic were faulty.

Still, why the bandwagon? How can some light skimming in a 100 pg thread and shoddy logic ever be considered scummy?

Admittedly, the case against you isn't very strong. But the case against anyone right now isn't very strong. We have a bunch of quite good players here (excluding myself) and no one is really slipping up much in my opinion.

Theories abound back and forth about one post here, a vote there, but nothing concrete. Unfortunately, until that changes and we get a good lead its going to keep going like this, round and round in circles over small inconsistencies.

The main thing that made your bandwagon pick up steam was Trestain's post of your voting record. After that there were several votes.

freezie · Post by **freezie** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:30 am

Syzygy wrote:Just pointing out that voting for two different people for the exact same reason, and splitting the votes, ain't going to help.

We don't have any deadlines, so better to hear 2 defenses rather than a single one. Better chance of hitting scums.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:48 am

Freezie, what is your role? You've said you're not a Jedi. I think the non-jedi's probably aren't power roles, so what's the harm in your claiming? You pushed me to claim, so now I'm turning the tables on you and asking you the exact same thing - quote your role.

Minister Masket · Post by **Minister Masket** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:54 am

Skittles! wrote: Possibly the most active people are scum. From previous games, I've learnt that scum are normally either active or very active, and hardly ever submarine. If they submarine, who will they know whom to kill that night? If they have a role-blocker, whom will they know to role-block if they don't watch every little detail of everyone's post to guess who might have a night action.

wicked wrote:Freezie, what is your role? You've said you're not a Jedi. I think the non-jedi's probably aren't power roles, so what's the harm in your claiming? You pushed me to claim, so now I'm turning the tables on you and asking you the exact same thing - quote your role.

I'll love to see how you get outta this one.
VOTE WICKED

freezie · Post by **freezie** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:56 am

wicked wrote:Freezie, what is your role? You've said you're not a Jedi. I think the non-jedi's probably aren't power roles, so what's the harm in your claiming? You pushed me to claim, so now I'm turning the tables on you and asking you the exact same thing - quote your role.

If you hadn't claim, which you did with many more votes than I have right now, we probably would have a power-role dead ( YOU ).

I won't claim for the sake of claiming, when I am not even in danger.

I see claiming as a way to prevent a power-role lynched, but claiming without reason is just plain dumb.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:01 pm

Yes Freezie, but I could have claimed w/o revealing my name and quoting my role for you, which YOU and YOU ALONE pushed me to do. Sure IC put the reason there for me to have to claim, but when I gave some infor and said I would not reveal everything, you put the vote back on me to force me to claim more.

WHAT IS THE HARM in you claiming? You said yourself you're not a Jedi, and it's pretty clear the Jedi's are probably the only power roles, so quit stalling and give me a good reason for you not to claim?

You want some more pressure? Fine, everyone vote.

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:03 pm

mandy wrote:Fine, Can I at least Role-Claim? Rolling Eyes
Of course you can. However, many roles will face quick and ignoble death (not Mod-Kill, but “natural” causes Twisted Evil ) if they claim. So, Mass role-claim = Mafia wins.

I may have put some accusations on freezie at the beginning of this day but I'm not sure this is the best path to take for now wicked.

Minister Masket · Post by **Minister Masket** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:05 pm

Our Clumsy Mod wrote: Fine, Can I at least Role-Claim?
Of course you can. However, many roles will face quick and ignoble death (not Mod-Kill, but “natural” causes ) if they claim. So, Mass role-claim = Mafia wins.

Maybe THIS is the reason why freezie doesn't want to claim?

wicked wrote: Fine, everyone vote.

Ok, everyone vote wicked!

kwanton · Post by **kwanton** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:06 pm

kalishnikov wrote:Speaking of submarining... Hi kwanton

lol. I post at least once a day. I don't really consider that submarining, but I will admit I do post much less than I usually do. Difference is before I was at home now I am at college. So if you wanna call that submarining I guess I'll give it to you. But it's submarining with a reason.

I smell a trap by wicked. Nice try but we all know freezie has no real reason to claim.

freezie · Post by **freezie** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:08 pm

Geez Wicked, are you the second lyncher or what?

I don't know what's holding me from switching my vote to you...

MountainLion · Post by **MountainLion** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:08 pm

freezie wrote:
wicked wrote:Freezie, what is your role? You've said you're not a Jedi. I think the non-jedi's probably aren't power roles, so what's the harm in your claiming? You pushed me to claim, so now I'm turning the tables on you and asking you the exact same thing - quote your role.

If you hadn't claim, which you did with many more votes than I have right now, we probably would have a power-role dead ( YOU ).

I won't claim for the sake of claiming, when I am not even in danger.

I see claiming as a way to prevent a power-role lynched, but claiming without reason is just plain dumb.

Freezie, wicked roleclaimed her character's name, you then unvoted her, then voted her again and asked for a quote. I really don't think wicked's roleclaim quote was necessary at the time. Her name claim slowed things down, but then YOU pushed back on her to quote.

I've already voted you for this...I'm tempted to vote again. Does anyone else have a problem with freezie pushing wicked to quote her role?

kwanton · Post by **kwanton** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:08 pm

Minister Masket wrote:
Our Clumsy Mod wrote: Fine, Can I at least Role-Claim?
Of course you can. However, many roles will face quick and ignoble death (not Mod-Kill, but “natural” causes ) if they claim. So, Mass role-claim = Mafia wins.
Maybe THIS is the reason why freezie doesn't want to claim?

wicked wrote: Fine, everyone vote.
Ok, everyone vote wicked!

Nah. we don't need to vote wicked as this is normal for her. she always tries to make up bs to trap people. Although this one is particularly weak.......

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:08 pm

Hmm Wicked does have a point, but the lynch of Ak 1.0 told us that there are non-jedi power roles already. That plus Mandy's warnings as Nag pointed out. Ultimately I think claiming is still necessary at some point, but there might be some kind of risk to it... Not sure.

freezie · Post by **freezie** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:09 pm

MountainLion wrote:
freezie wrote:
wicked wrote:Freezie, what is your role? You've said you're not a Jedi. I think the non-jedi's probably aren't power roles, so what's the harm in your claiming? You pushed me to claim, so now I'm turning the tables on you and asking you the exact same thing - quote your role.

If you hadn't claim, which you did with many more votes than I have right now, we probably would have a power-role dead ( YOU ).

I won't claim for the sake of claiming, when I am not even in danger.

I see claiming as a way to prevent a power-role lynched, but claiming without reason is just plain dumb.
Freezie, wicked roleclaimed her character's name, you then unvoted her, then voted her again and asked for a quote. I really don't think wicked's roleclaim quote was necessary at the time. Her name claim slowed things down, but then YOU pushed back on her to quote.

I've already voted you for this...I'm tempted to vote again. Does anyone else have a problem with freezie pushing wicked to quote her role?

As you wish. See how far this goes:

I am Cal Omas.

Now everyone will beleive me? Sure..

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:10 pm

Anyone has an idea of the page range where Wicked's claim happened? I want to check back on that but don't feel like browsing 40 pages

Minister Masket · Post by **Minister Masket** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:12 pm

No idea. On the bright side, happy nearly 100 page anniversary!

MountainLion · Post by **MountainLion** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:13 pm

Just so you all know I don't want freezie to claim. I just want to know if anyone else finds freezie's push for wicked to quote her role scummy?

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:13 pm

So after I had already revealed my name and extra hints about my role, which was all I was planning to reveal, Freezie quickly unvotes to gauge others' reactions to my role and AT THE SAME TIME ASKS ME TO QUOTE MY ROLE PM. Then he waits a few more minutes and when no more unvotes come, then posts this to keep the pressure on (keep in mind I was very close to a lynch):

freezie wrote:Vote: Wicked

Back to my vote on you.

You already revealed a lot to the scum. At worst, AK will go down.

The bolded part I don't understand, seems like you're faulting me for claiming, which everyone knew was necessary to avoid a speed lynch, and you yourself have said was necessary as well.

Then when I directly quote my role PM, Freezie then unvotes immediately, when unless he was a Jedi, he wouldn't know if my quoted role was correct or not anyway. Freezie believes my role PM even though by his own admission, he's NOT A JEDI.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:14 pm

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