saxitoxin wrote:You're starting to wander into Player's kingdom. Make sure you pass through customs and get your passport stamped, please.
Oh f*ck you.
Seriously, there just doesn't exist a lot of studies on it. The reason there aren't a lot of studies is that the idea of female-on-male rape is still regarded as something that "just never happens" or something that is "irrelevant in a discussion about rape"...
I did read one statistic about it, and I'm terribly sorry I don't bookmark everything I read on the off chance I might have to prove my point in some pointless internet debate in the future. But that's the reality we just got to work with, Saxi. We just have to make the best we can out of a shitty situation. When life gives you lemons, you don't ask if life can kindly please give you watermelons instead. You fucking eat the lemons and you smile while doing it or you'll be put in the hole again until you learn to mind your table manners.
Wow, I'm glad we had this little tête-à-tête, Saxi. I'm glad we got things sorted out.
PLAYER57832 wrote:That's what many historians have said, yes.. but it's debateable.
saxitoxin wrote:
Would love to hear who these historians are as I'd like to read their books.
PLAYER57832 wrote:Sorry, they are my old professors and I cannot be bothered to dig up their names.
the carpet man wrote:rape is to force someone into sex. and how can a woman force the required erection from a man? i don't know. maybe you are more knowledgeable about matters of rape than i am. what ways of a woman raping a man do you have familiarity with?
and do you deny that almost all rape is done by men?
Physical response does not imply consent to sex. A woman could stimulate an unwilling male's genitals to achieve an erection, or perhaps even drug them with Viagra. A woman with certain add ons could also rape a man in a less traditional manner.
Not to mention a woman could rape another woman.
Certainly almost all rape is committed by men, but women can and have raped men in the past.
Sure it's possible to find limited examples of female-on-male rape, however, I would hazard a guess that these constitute less than 1% of adult-on-adult rapes.
Also, because of the physiology of the sex act, male-on-female rape is - in the absence of any complementary assault carried out as part of the rape - intrinsically many times more violent than female-on-male rape. I'd consider most cases of female-on-male rape the sexual equivalent of 4th degree assault where the offense is primarily one of annoyance / emotional humiliation. The physics of sex, however, makes male-on-female rape a very violent act. You can't compare a guy waking up to find he's getting an unwanted blowjob, then getting up and walking away (example 2 above), to a woman being pinned to the ground by a 200 kg linebacker who proceeds to make soup out of her insides.
Male-on-female rape - assuming it's frenzied and physical - is going to cause bodily damage like fibroids, bleeding, possible pregnancy (pregnancy - whether carried, aborted or miscarried - always results in injury), etc. I'd be curious if there's a single example of sustained injury to a male raped by a female.
I didn't put any value emphasis on the Female on male rape. I merely wished to show it was possible and had occurred. I was just countering your's and Carpet man's apparent earlier opinion that it could not occur.
I've never argued that it is impossible for it to occur. I've argued that it's, physiologically, so difficult, that instances of its occurrence don't belong in a general-topic discussion. Spontaneous human combustion occurs but it's utterly ridiculous and a distractional red herring to bring it into a discussion about fire prevention. I'll co-assign that sentence as my blanket response to all of Nathan's points as well.
When you asked woodruff if he needed an explanation of anatomy, I took this as a statement to its impossibility. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
In the US at least, one percent of rapists are women. Considering social stigma's this might be higher if male plaintives either don't come forward or are not taken seriously. Of course 1 in 100 rapes is not all that many but it's certainly more common than spontaneous human combustion.
Symmetry wrote:Worth noting, BvonP, not all rapes are heterosexual.
Symmetry makes a valid point. The discussion so far has been about female-on-male adult/adult rape.
I'd be curious how many of the 1% of female rapists are either (a) raping other females, (b) raping juvenile males. I suspect it constitutes the vast majority of that already tiny number. Of the remaining percentage, I feel very safe in saying the rapes primarily come as acts of deception or economic coercion which, while bad, simply cannot compare to the extremely violent experience most female rape victims endure.
Ultimately, equalizing male rape to female rape is a tactic of chauvinists and anti-feminists. It's the "you're nothing special, everyone has to deal with it" argument. It's the first stage in destygmatizing rape into a simple rite of passage or normal life experience. Here's one pro-chauvinist/anti-feminist blog that supports Natty's position.
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Symmetry wrote:Worth noting, BvonP, not all rapes are heterosexual.
Symmetry makes a valid point. The discussion so far has been about female-on-male adult/adult rape.
I'd be curious how many of the 1% of female rapists are either (a) raping other females, (b) raping juvenile males. I suspect it constitutes the vast majority of that already tiny number. Of the remaining percentage, I feel very safe in saying the rapes primarily come as acts of deception or economic coercion which, while bad, simply cannot compare to the extremely violent experience most female rape victims endure.
I feel very safe in saying you're an idiot. I have evidence for that though. I'm not just pimping it out there because I want it to be true.
Baron Von PWN wrote:I meant it obviously isn't a matter of heterosexual involuntary sex. Really are we doing this? I think we agree with each other here.
Ok, I apologise. I misread your intentions, and I was wrong.
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
Symmetry wrote:Worth noting, BvonP, not all rapes are heterosexual.
Symmetry makes a valid point. The discussion so far has been about female-on-male adult/adult rape.
I'd be curious how many of the 1% of female rapists are either (a) raping other females, (b) raping juvenile males. I suspect it constitutes the vast majority of that already tiny number. Of the remaining percentage, I feel very safe in saying the rapes primarily come as acts of deception or economic coercion which, while bad, simply cannot compare to the extremely violent experience most female rape victims endure.
Ultimately, equalizing male rape to female rape is a tactic of chauvinists and anti-feminists. It's the "you're nothing special, everyone has to deal with it" argument. It's the first stage in destygmatizing rape into a simple rite of passage or normal life experience. Here's one pro-chauvinist/anti-feminist blog that supports Natty's position.
Now look who's being all Player. Need stamps for your passport, Uncle Saxi?
Rape is always a traumatizing experience, no matter if the victim is male or female, no matter if the perpetrator is male or female. Simply asserting that "since females get raped more, their experience is more valid" is bullshit.
What you're doing is in fact trivializing the experiences of male rape victims (of females) on the basis that their experiences are less common than those of female rape victims. We can acknowledge the fact that men sometimes get raped by women without downplaying the effects of rape on women. We can acknowledge that men suffer too sometimes without downplaying the suffering of women. The old non-argument of "why worry about X when Y is a much bigger problem" is stupid because even if someone else suffers worse it doesn't invalidate one's own suffering.
Furthermore: When you assert that "female on male rapes come in form of deception", what exactly are you basing that on? That women cannot force themselves physically on men, because women are weak fragile little flowers, and men are big and strong? That's such misogynistic bullshit Saxi, I know a few women who would be quite physically capable of raping some men I know.
The fact that women are on the average physically weaker than men does not imply that all women are physically weaker than all men.
i think the man would care less because men like sex more
but of course, it never happens to a man. so that is not relevant. why are you so desperate for women to be rapist? do you wish to drag the name of 'woman' through mud? not very nice to do that
you also fail to grasp how you cannot rape a man who does not want it because he will not get excite. this is something i learn in school when i was about 14
the carpet man wrote:i think the man would care less because men like sex more
but of course, it never happens to a man. so that is not relevant. why are you so desperate for women to be rapist? do you wish to drag the name of 'woman' through mud? not very nice to do that
you also fail to grasp how you cannot rape a man who does not want it because he will not get excite. this is something i learn in school when i was about 14
the carpet man wrote:i think the man would care less because men like sex more
but of course, it never happens to a man. so that is not relevant. why are you so desperate for women to be rapist? do you wish to drag the name of 'woman' through mud? not very nice to do that
you also fail to grasp how you cannot rape a man who does not want it because he will not get excite. this is something i learn in school when i was about 14
Ok, apart from all the other idiocy in your post, you need some basic lessons in human anatomy.
Do you know how babbies are formed, yet? I'm just scoping out where we should start with your education...
Whoa! natty dropping some deep cuts on the internet reference list!
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Symmetry wrote:Worth noting, BvonP, not all rapes are heterosexual.
Symmetry makes a valid point. The discussion so far has been about female-on-male adult/adult rape.
I'd be curious how many of the 1% of female rapists are either (a) raping other females, (b) raping juvenile males. I suspect it constitutes the vast majority of that already tiny number. Of the remaining percentage, I feel very safe in saying the rapes primarily come as acts of deception or economic coercion which, while bad, simply cannot compare to the extremely violent experience most female rape victims endure.
Ultimately, equalizing male rape to female rape is a tactic of chauvinists and anti-feminists. It's the "you're nothing special, everyone has to deal with it" argument. It's the first stage in destygmatizing rape into a simple rite of passage or normal life experience. Here's one pro-chauvinist/anti-feminist blog that supports Natty's position.
Now look who's being all Player. Need stamps for your passport, Uncle Saxi?
Rape is always a traumatizing experience, no matter if the victim is male or female, no matter if the perpetrator is male or female. Simply asserting that "since females get raped more, their experience is more valid" is bullshit.
What you're doing is in fact trivializing the experiences of male rape victims (of females) on the basis that their experiences are less common than those of female rape victims. We can acknowledge the fact that men sometimes get raped by women without downplaying the effects of rape on women. We can acknowledge that men suffer too sometimes without downplaying the suffering of women. The old non-argument of "why worry about X when Y is a much bigger problem" is stupid because even if someone else suffers worse it doesn't invalidate one's own suffering.
Furthermore: When you assert that "female on male rapes come in form of deception", what exactly are you basing that on? That women cannot force themselves physically on men, because women are weak fragile little flowers, and men are big and strong? That's such misogynistic bullshit Saxi, I know a few women who would be quite physically capable of raping some men I know.
The fact that women are on the average physically weaker than men does not imply that all women are physically weaker than all men.
The captain of the Ukrainian women's softball team could try to rape AoG and the fact she was 10,000-times stronger than him only removes one of the several impediments to the difficulty of female-male rape. Male-on-female rape has one anatomical/physiological challenge to overcome to be successful; female-on-male rape has three challenges to overcome.
But we don't need to get into a graphic itemization of what those are - BvP has already provided us with the statistic that a maximum of 1% of rapists are females. By logical deduction, afforded by Symmetry, we know that less than that number are female-male/adult-adult rapists. Ergo, we're talking about a number of less than 1%, a statistical irrelevancy for a broad-based discussion. To elevate that issue to problematic equivalency is the height of chauvinism, male egotism and borders on thuggery.
As Germaine Greer has noted, women's liberation is not analogous to "equality with men" because all men despise women. Women want to be defined by their own standards, not male standards. Simply saying X is true with men, therefore, X is true with women, serves as de facto rejection of the feminist movement and puts one squarely in the male pig farm queuing at the slop trough.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
Symmetry wrote:Worth noting, BvonP, not all rapes are heterosexual.
Symmetry makes a valid point. The discussion so far has been about female-on-male adult/adult rape.
I'd be curious how many of the 1% of female rapists are either (a) raping other females, (b) raping juvenile males. I suspect it constitutes the vast majority of that already tiny number. Of the remaining percentage, I feel very safe in saying the rapes primarily come as acts of deception or economic coercion which, while bad, simply cannot compare to the extremely violent experience most female rape victims endure.
Ultimately, equalizing male rape to female rape is a tactic of chauvinists and anti-feminists. It's the "you're nothing special, everyone has to deal with it" argument. It's the first stage in destygmatizing rape into a simple rite of passage or normal life experience. Here's one pro-chauvinist/anti-feminist blog that supports Natty's position.
Now look who's being all Player. Need stamps for your passport, Uncle Saxi?
Rape is always a traumatizing experience, no matter if the victim is male or female, no matter if the perpetrator is male or female. Simply asserting that "since females get raped more, their experience is more valid" is bullshit.
What you're doing is in fact trivializing the experiences of male rape victims (of females) on the basis that their experiences are less common than those of female rape victims. We can acknowledge the fact that men sometimes get raped by women without downplaying the effects of rape on women. We can acknowledge that men suffer too sometimes without downplaying the suffering of women. The old non-argument of "why worry about X when Y is a much bigger problem" is stupid because even if someone else suffers worse it doesn't invalidate one's own suffering.
Furthermore: When you assert that "female on male rapes come in form of deception", what exactly are you basing that on? That women cannot force themselves physically on men, because women are weak fragile little flowers, and men are big and strong? That's such misogynistic bullshit Saxi, I know a few women who would be quite physically capable of raping some men I know.
The fact that women are on the average physically weaker than men does not imply that all women are physically weaker than all men.
The captain of the Ukrainian women's softball team could try to rape AoG and the fact she was 10,000-times stronger than him only removes one of the several impediments to the difficulty of female-male rape. Male-on-female rape has one anatomical/physiological challenge to overcome to be successful; female-on-male rape has three challenges to overcome.
But we don't need to get into a graphic itemization of what those are - BvP has already provided us with the statistic that a maximum of 1% of rapists are females. By logical deduction, afforded by Symmetry, we know that less than that number are female-male/adult-adult rapists. Ergo, we're talking about a number of less than 1%, a statistical irrelevancy for a broad-based discussion. To elevate that issue to problematic equivalency is the height of chauvinism, male egotism and borders on thuggery.
As Germaine Greer has noted, women's liberation is not analogous to "equality with men" because all men despise women. Women want to be defined by their own standards, not male standards. Simply saying X is true with men, therefore, X is true with women, serves as de facto rejection of the feminist movement and puts one squarely in the male pig farm queuing at the slop trough.
It should be noted that the 1% figure may be the result of under reporting. However I'm just nit-picking here, overall female perpetrated rape is certainly a very small minority of rape.
Symmetry wrote:Worth noting, BvonP, not all rapes are heterosexual.
Symmetry makes a valid point. The discussion so far has been about female-on-male adult/adult rape.
I'd be curious how many of the 1% of female rapists are either (a) raping other females, (b) raping juvenile males. I suspect it constitutes the vast majority of that already tiny number. Of the remaining percentage, I feel very safe in saying the rapes primarily come as acts of deception or economic coercion which, while bad, simply cannot compare to the extremely violent experience most female rape victims endure.
Ultimately, equalizing male rape to female rape is a tactic of chauvinists and anti-feminists. It's the "you're nothing special, everyone has to deal with it" argument. It's the first stage in destygmatizing rape into a simple rite of passage or normal life experience. Here's one pro-chauvinist/anti-feminist blog that supports Natty's position.
Now look who's being all Player. Need stamps for your passport, Uncle Saxi?
Rape is always a traumatizing experience, no matter if the victim is male or female, no matter if the perpetrator is male or female. Simply asserting that "since females get raped more, their experience is more valid" is bullshit.
What you're doing is in fact trivializing the experiences of male rape victims (of females) on the basis that their experiences are less common than those of female rape victims. We can acknowledge the fact that men sometimes get raped by women without downplaying the effects of rape on women. We can acknowledge that men suffer too sometimes without downplaying the suffering of women. The old non-argument of "why worry about X when Y is a much bigger problem" is stupid because even if someone else suffers worse it doesn't invalidate one's own suffering.
Furthermore: When you assert that "female on male rapes come in form of deception", what exactly are you basing that on? That women cannot force themselves physically on men, because women are weak fragile little flowers, and men are big and strong? That's such misogynistic bullshit Saxi, I know a few women who would be quite physically capable of raping some men I know.
The fact that women are on the average physically weaker than men does not imply that all women are physically weaker than all men.
The captain of the Ukrainian women's softball team could try to rape AoG and the fact she was 10,000-times stronger than him only removes one of the several impediments to the difficulty of female-male rape. Male-on-female rape has one anatomical/physiological challenge to overcome to be successful; female-on-male rape has three challenges to overcome.
But we don't need to get into a graphic itemization of what those are - BvP has already provided us with the statistic that a maximum of 1% of rapists are females. By logical deduction, afforded by Symmetry, we know that less than that number are female-male/adult-adult rapists. Ergo, we're talking about a number of less than 1%, a statistical irrelevancy for a broad-based discussion. To elevate that issue to problematic equivalency is the height of chauvinism, male egotism and borders on thuggery.
As Germaine Greer has noted, women's liberation is not analogous to "equality with men" because all men despise women. Women want to be defined by their own standards, not male standards. Simply saying X is true with men, therefore, X is true with women, serves as de facto rejection of the feminist movement and puts one squarely in the male pig farm queuing at the slop trough.
Heads up on this one, female on male rape is also heterosexual.
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
I'm really tired of this thread. I'm going to take a short break from Clubbing here on Conquer Club. Symmetry, please represent my position in this argument while I'm absent. Thank you.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
saxitoxin wrote:I'm really tired of this thread. I'm going to take a short break from Clubbing here on Conquer Club. Symmetry, please represent my position in this argument while I'm absent. Thank you.
No problem. I suspect a bit of time trolling cruise ship forums and websites for comedy clubs will get your act back on track in no time at all. See this as an opportunity to test out new material. Maybe make a few guest appearances. Some of us still laugh at the "Aww shucks... it's just Ol' Saxi" shtick, but it doesn't always work with the new generation.
They don't get it. They weren't there when you had your happiness mod thing going. You're a troll in search of a bridge. I can only do so much, but I suspect it won't be long before you find your way back home.
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
saxitoxin wrote:I'm really tired of this thread. I'm going to take a short break from Clubbing here on Conquer Club. Symmetry, please represent my position in this argument while I'm absent. Thank you.
No problem. I suspect a bit of time trolling cruise ship forums and websites for comedy clubs will get your act back on track in no time at all. See this as an opportunity to test out new material. Maybe make a few guest appearances. Some of us still laugh at the "Aww shucks... it's just Ol' Saxi" shtick, but it doesn't always work with the new generation.
They don't get it. They weren't there when you had your happiness mod thing going. You're a troll in search of a bridge. I can only do so much, but I suspect it won't be long before you find your way back home.
BvP, I've removed Symmetry as my proxy. Please take over - thanks.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
Now look who's being all Player. Need stamps for your passport, Uncle Saxi? 
