And now, the rest of the story...

[Scott-Land]

Surely you can't ride both sides of the fence?

heheh i am really hoping Suggsy can't resist a double intender.

I am too gay.

hehee

[jiminski]

Surely you can't ride both sides of the fence?

heheh i am really hoping Suggsy can't resist a double intender.

I am too gay.

look at Wickeds last post Suggsy ..... no wonder my Integrated Community Moderated Feedback system (did i mention i made a thread on this? ) bit the dust.. the plan was to impose.. then give us a feeling of victory at the small amendments which we clawed back...

[hulmey]

Fair point, Twill barely said anything of substance.
Until he quite clearly and openly reveals the EXACT nature of why wicked was fired, I'm afraid he is guilty.
He must go.

And you're assuming that the disgruntled ex employee told you exactly what happened to the letter and without a single lie?!

C.

open your eyes dear chap. Twill, can put this baby to rest, if he told every1 why he fired Wicked. But i bet you a dollarthat we wont hear anything from his lips!

[Minister Masket]

Stop now. Just stop.
There is nothing more to tell.

[RashidJelzin]

Perhaps some type of community-voted/driven group (board of directors for lack of better term?) would be beneficial? They could be the voice of the community and hold twill accountable, since lack rarely has the time (or desire) to police him. But more importantly, they could be the voice of the community here and a liason for communications purposes. I dunno, just thinking off the top of my head here.

Oh come- on. Don't be driven by petty ambitions for "vengeance". I refrained to call you out on more (since I didn't want to add anymore grief to you), but what the hell? Do we need to write an official ConquerClub constitution? Introduce a parliament to decide over banning trolls from the forum or the chat?

We have a Forum Policy which suffices completely for having the Forums run properly- maybe not in your eyes, and not in the ones' that are sucking up to your "destroy-twill" cause, because you were wronged by the admins or mods... but show some maturity and leave it as it is- people will either see that your right or not.
More and more, this degenerates into a smearing campaign against twill- and more and more, I find it hard to believe you.

[wicked]

sorry Rashid, was just trying to brainstorm ideas to get the community-driven site (as defined by admins) more community driven. maybe not the best idea, but certainly a talking point. And if telling the truth smears twill, then so be it. I've no loyalty to him, I no longer have to publicly support him. All I'm doing is telling my story.

[sam_levi_11]

suggs, LOL at the both sides of the fence comeback

also im suprised t-willy hasnt just deleted this, or come out with a worthwhile statement

"all she is doing is selling her story, a story of hurt and betrayal, WICKED : THE CC DAYS. In a book store near you!"

[qeee1]

whether a paraphrase of likely dialogue or a reconstruction of past dialogue, it's irrelevant, as it's still wrong.

Well that's not what you said the first time you replied to it; but sure, why not change your stance now?

Well I misinterpreted you the first time, but then there was no context given so the misinterpretation was understandable. And no, I'm not changing my stance. I'm adding another argument based on my new understanding of the situation; one that is perfectly consistent with my first argument.

2. that claiming that the site could be improved through democratic consultation prior to mods being fired is silly- this you ignored

Oh "Puhlease".

Smug though you may feel about your pedantic insistence on having people paraphrase you in tedious detail; nobody was ever seriously arguing against you on that point, so your making it was (1) irrelevant, and (2) self-evident.

Well I do think it's relevant and apparently not self evident as you didn't get it the first time round. You don't construct some sort of paraphrase on some issue having me repeating the same point over and over (looking like an imbecile) when in fact I made a second point relevant to the issue. A more accurate paraphrase would have been:

We don't have any rights man. There's nothing we can do.

Yeah, but we ought to have more rights. After all, isn't this place supposed to be about making a good experience for us?

Well no, in certain situations those rights are not viable (example)

Also stop saying mean things, that really hurts.

I can assure you that I too am cut deeply by such things. So don't worry, we can suffer together.

If I try to be anything, it's amusing, is that a crime?

As for democratic accountability, you can't expect the admins to disclose everything to you, nor can you expect every decision to be a popular one. In this case I've yet to be convinced of a problem, although it does sound like there are problems in other areas, as wicked pointed out.

P.S. Pretensions of intellect, isn't that a tad hypocritical?

[Frop]

sorry Rashid, was just trying to brainstorm ideas to get the community-driven site (as defined by admins) more community driven. maybe not the best idea, but certainly a talking point. And if telling the truth smears twill, then so be it. I've no loyalty to him, I no longer have to publicly support him. All I'm doing is telling my story.

A couple of links for you that will come in handy... fact and opinion.

[Neoteny]

As for democratic accountability, you can't expect the admins to disclose everything to you, nor can you expect every decision to be a popular one. In this case I've yet to be convinced of a problem, although it does sound like there are problems in other areas, as wicked pointed out.

We might not be able to expect it, though it would be nice. I don't see any harm coming from full disclosure of this issue, as I doubt it'll be revealing valuable business information or anything like that. At most it would reveal the ineptitude of one of the two (or both) parties. I see the unwillingness to do so as possibly telling.

[hulmey]

sorry Rashid, was just trying to brainstorm ideas to get the community-driven site (as defined by admins) more community driven. maybe not the best idea, but certainly a talking point. And if telling the truth smears twill, then so be it. I've no loyalty to him, I no longer have to publicly support him. All I'm doing is telling my story.

A couple of links for you that will come in handy... fact and opinion.

another masterful post by a muppet. I was quite surprised coz you actually nearly wrote 2 sentences

[suggs]

so i just got a Pm from Twill for flaming in this thread. Seems a bit harsh.
Normally i dont tittle tattle about Mod warnings (its usually a fair cop) but the gloves are off with Twil now.
Lets disclose everything he does, fair or not.

[suggs]

quee, I wasn't talking specifically about mod dismissal, but in general.

re: the feedback. I posted a thread awhile back asking for community input about what they wanted out of a feedback system. The purpose was to get input as we worked on redesigning the system. At the time, I oversaw the feedback dept. and handled escalated/appealed feedback complaints, so I saw no problem in starting the discussion to gather input since it was my area (It would be like gimil starting a discussion about maps). After all, we were redesigning it for you all so you all should be involved in the process. So I made a thread, organized it, stickied it, and compiled the info as it came in. Lack thanked me for starting the thread, but Twill threw a hissy fit being the control freak that he is because it didn't go "through him". Twill's idea was to come up with a new system first, w/o any input from you guys, and only then throw it out for comments (I found this out after I made the thread). While that may have worked, I find it's more efficient for some things to get input at the beginning of the planning stages, rather than at the end.

Thanks Jim.
Unbelievable! So the whole consultation thing was a sham?

[wicked]

No wasn't a sham at all. Where'd you get that?

[Neoteny]

Comments like this are a good way to state your case...

Some of your other comments have seemed very childish - which really is beneath you Wicked.

C.

<mod edit>that's confidential<mod edit>

Everything I've said has been the truth, in the interest of getting the information out there.

Did I miss something?

[wicked]

Comments like this are a good way to state your case...

Some of your other comments have seemed very childish - which really is beneath you Wicked.

C.

<mod edit>that's confidential<mod edit>

Everything I've said has been the truth, in the interest of getting the information out there.

Did I miss something?

LMAO!!!! thanks for pointing that out. ahh looking for reasons to ban me I guess?

[suggs]

Ah. Perhaps I should have read it properly.

Still, its a bloody outrage, something rotten in this fair kingdom *splutters incoherently in feeble attempt to mask embarrassing inability to read English*

[sam_levi_11]

what?

[The1exile]

something rotten in this fair kingdom

Denmark?

[wicked]

so what'd you get warned for suggsy? I haven't been warned yet, but I imagine it's coming.

[jermoosalem]

=D>

couldn't agree more

[Grooveman2007]

Lyme's is a tough illness, I had that for weeks a few years back. Hope you get well soon. I think it's safe to say we all will miss you.

[jermoosalem]

something rotten in this fair kingdom

Denmark?

this state is out of joint

[danodukebb]

not paying anymore money to a site who doesnt give a f*ck about it's employees or customers

f*ck you twill too

[Scott-Land]

not paying anymore money to a site who doesnt give a f*ck about it's employees or customers

f*ck you twill too

C'mon H5O- these kinds of posts and trolling is in fact the reason for this madness.