Flame Wars Removed

[thegreekdog]

I'm neither fighting back or flaming. I'm simply pointing out that I do not support the removal of Flame Wars and why I think its removal is misplaced.

[GENERAL STONEHAM]

I'm neither fighting back or flaming. I'm simply pointing out that I do not support the removal of Flame Wars and why I think its removal is misplaced.

I know that, you know that, Prowler and others know that. BUT, we have the administrators and their cyber-bullies who think otherwise.

The trolling that a few individuals, who have constantly call FLAME WARS and the supporters of the thread as childish and worse, are the new FLAMERS. THEY [administrators] allow the trolling, insults and baiting to occur. Is it fair? No, but we don't enforce the rules, the Moderators do and do it unfairly.

There's more FLAMING going on in the General Discussion then ever before. Unfortunately, the administrators are letting their vigilantes have a field day.

Back from my THIRD banning.

[Artimis]

The trolling that a few individuals, who have constantly call FLAME WARS and the supporters of the thread as childish and worse, are the new FLAMERS.

I was about to mention that. For those of you who may not know about Klobbers exploits, he is by far and away, beyond a shadow of a doubt, trolling you right here in this thread. The solution to this problem is not to feed the troll.

To all the flamers looking for a new home, check out this topic in Much Ado About Nothing: FLAME WARS IS REBORN

[GENERAL STONEHAM]

Yes Artimis, the roles have reversed themselves. The anti-FLAMERS are now FLAMERS and the FLAMERS from the deleted FLAME WARS are being trolled, harassed and being baited.

Black is white, filled is now empty and so on and so on. The art of spinning by these anti-FLAMERS is now accepted by the administrators of C.C.

The administrators have given the green light to vigilante behaviour by the cyber-bullies to stop all civil discussion on returning FLAME WARS.

Welcome to the world of Trolls.

[Falkomagno]

Welcome to the world of Trolls.

It's like the lord of the rings or something...

[stahrgazer]

I dislike flaming. I no longer play on this site because of flaming. BUT. The flaming that bothered me wasn't the flaming in flame wars, it was the nastiness and flaming I saw in game chats, flaming that went unwarned.

Protests about it in the C&A forum didn't get the "mild warning" the RULES suggested they'd start with; instead, protests got, "use foelist."

Foelist would prevent you from hearing from a nasty again, but didn't do a damned thing to suggest that others refrain in future. "Future" happened again and again, and I got plumb tired of it. I'm only checking into CC now to respond to pm's and check status on the tourney I'd been running, and a friend happened to mention that "Flame Wars" was gone, as if that made a difference.

I said in an earlier, posts Flame Wars wasn't the problem; like someone else said, those who did not want to visit Flame Wars didn't have to. Because the forum wasn't the problem, eliminating that forum is like giving a thimbleful of water to a dude dying of thirst in the desert: doesn't fix the problem. It can make whoever brought the thimble slap himself on the back in congratulations for being so kind as to address the problem, but it doesn't fix "flaming" for those who don't want to see it.

The problem with flaming on CC is that it's tolerated in game chat. "Damn dice" is a curse that I may not like (even if I've said it myself from time to time). "f*ck these dice!" may be even more abhorrent. I'd still say those are not flames. "f*ck you retard" over a game move someone didn't like, is a little closer to the types of things this site allows in gamechats that, in my opinion, it shouldn't.

I could care less whether Flame Wars exists or doesn't exist, but to claim that Flame Wars caused problems in other areas is.. well.. if I give my real opinion on what that is, I'd be flaming the new admin.

Nuff said?

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[owenshooter]

flame wars is alive and well in the GD...-0

[Serbia]

Back from my THIRD banning.

How many third bannings have you had?

[mpjh]

flame wars is alive and well in the GD...-0

Actually, the language has improved, no scatological, genital, homophobic, pornographic, or racial references are tolerated. The odd insult here and there is minimal. Trolling seems to be the main effort of the ex-flame war lovers. They prefer chaos if they can't have it their way.

[owenshooter]

flame wars is alive and well in the GD...-0

Actually, the language has improved, no scatological, genital, homophobic, pornographic, or racial references are tolerated. The odd insult here and there is minimal. Trolling seems to be the main effort of the ex-flame war lovers. They prefer chaos if they can't have it their way.

i'd have to disagree.. i've dealt with more overt and direct racist comments in the past 2 weeks, then in my entire time here... and of course, when reporting racism, i receive formal warnings. however, that is far better than the week long ban i received for something i am no longer allowed to mention or i will receive a perma-gan. lets just say it involved my being called the N-word in game chat. now, the racist members are a bit more clever, using words out of context that are close to the N-word, and declaring that the word is not racist... yeah, it isn't racist when used in context and properly... racism should be an immediate one month ban. period.-0

[a.sub]

flame wars is alive and well in the GD...-0

Actually, the language has improved, no scatological, genital, homophobic, pornographic, or racial references are tolerated. The odd insult here and there is minimal. Trolling seems to be the main effort of the ex-flame war lovers. They prefer chaos if they can't have it their way.

i'd have to disagree.. i've dealt with more overt and direct racist comments in the past 2 weeks, then in my entire time here... and of course, when reporting racism, i receive formal warnings. however, that is far better than the week long ban i received for something i am no longer allowed to mention or i will receive a perma-gan. lets just say it involved my being called the N-word in game chat. now, the racist members are a bit more clever, using words out of context that are close to the N-word, and declaring that the word is not racist... yeah, it isn't racist when used in context and properly... racism should be an immediate one month ban. period.-0

i am allowed to tho cuz i havent gotten a warning
RonC

[owenshooter]

flame wars is alive and well in the GD...-0

Actually, the language has improved, no scatological, genital, homophobic, pornographic, or racial references are tolerated. The odd insult here and there is minimal. Trolling seems to be the main effort of the ex-flame war lovers. They prefer chaos if they can't have it their way.

i'd have to disagree.. i've dealt with more overt and direct racist comments in the past 2 weeks, then in my entire time here... and of course, when reporting racism, i receive formal warnings. however, that is far better than the week long ban i received for something i am no longer allowed to mention or i will receive a perma-gan. lets just say it involved my being called the N-word in game chat. now, the racist members are a bit more clever, using words out of context that are close to the N-word, and declaring that the word is not racist... yeah, it isn't racist when used in context and properly... racism should be an immediate one month ban. period.-0

i am allowed to tho cuz i havent gotten a warning
RonC

so, RonC posting from another account, again? nice!!-0

[ronsizzle]

I dislike flaming. I no longer play on this site because of flaming. BUT. The flaming that bothered me wasn't the flaming in flame wars, it was the nastiness and flaming I saw in game chats, flaming that went unwarned.

Protests about it in the C&A forum didn't get the "mild warning" the RULES suggested they'd start with; instead, protests got, "use foelist."

Foelist would prevent you from hearing from a nasty again, but didn't do a damned thing to suggest that others refrain in future. "Future" happened again and again, and I got plumb tired of it. I'm only checking into CC now to respond to pm's and check status on the tourney I'd been running, and a friend happened to mention that "Flame Wars" was gone, as if that made a difference.

I said in an earlier, posts Flame Wars wasn't the problem; like someone else said, those who did not want to visit Flame Wars didn't have to. Because the forum wasn't the problem, eliminating that forum is like giving a thimbleful of water to a dude dying of thirst in the desert: doesn't fix the problem. It can make whoever brought the thimble slap himself on the back in congratulations for being so kind as to address the problem, but it doesn't fix "flaming" for those who don't want to see it.

The problem with flaming on CC is that it's tolerated in game chat. "Damn dice" is a curse that I may not like (even if I've said it myself from time to time). "f*ck these dice!" may be even more abhorrent. I'd still say those are not flames. "f*ck you retard" over a game move someone didn't like, is a little closer to the types of things this site allows in gamechats that, in my opinion, it shouldn't.

I could care less whether Flame Wars exists or doesn't exist, but to claim that Flame Wars caused problems in other areas is.. well.. if I give my real opinion on what that is, I'd be flaming the new admin.

Nuff said?

actually. nuff said wasnt said at all. i have played in over 5000 games. and less than 100 of them have had flaming going on. and with my mouth, combined with others that i know, should be a higher percentage than most.

100 out of 5110 games isnt bad. why do you even entertain what someone would say to you in game chat? just foe them. and for the 100 games out of 5000. i like my odds.

[a.sub]

so, RonC posting from another account, again? nice!!-0

actually i was just saying "RonC"
although this could just be a fancy cover up

[thegreekdog]

I dislike flaming. I no longer play on this site because of flaming. BUT. The flaming that bothered me wasn't the flaming in flame wars, it was the nastiness and flaming I saw in game chats, flaming that went unwarned.

Protests about it in the C&A forum didn't get the "mild warning" the RULES suggested they'd start with; instead, protests got, "use foelist."

Foelist would prevent you from hearing from a nasty again, but didn't do a damned thing to suggest that others refrain in future. "Future" happened again and again, and I got plumb tired of it. I'm only checking into CC now to respond to pm's and check status on the tourney I'd been running, and a friend happened to mention that "Flame Wars" was gone, as if that made a difference.

I said in an earlier, posts Flame Wars wasn't the problem; like someone else said, those who did not want to visit Flame Wars didn't have to. Because the forum wasn't the problem, eliminating that forum is like giving a thimbleful of water to a dude dying of thirst in the desert: doesn't fix the problem. It can make whoever brought the thimble slap himself on the back in congratulations for being so kind as to address the problem, but it doesn't fix "flaming" for those who don't want to see it.

The problem with flaming on CC is that it's tolerated in game chat. "Damn dice" is a curse that I may not like (even if I've said it myself from time to time). "f*ck these dice!" may be even more abhorrent. I'd still say those are not flames. "f*ck you retard" over a game move someone didn't like, is a little closer to the types of things this site allows in gamechats that, in my opinion, it shouldn't.

I could care less whether Flame Wars exists or doesn't exist, but to claim that Flame Wars caused problems in other areas is.. well.. if I give my real opinion on what that is, I'd be flaming the new admin.

Nuff said?

Well said (er, well typed). In one of my first games I was called an idiot, a retard, and an offensive term for homosexual. I believe this is more commonplace that Ron suggests, and is a much bigger problem that the Flame Wars forum.

[stahrgazer]

actually. nuff said wasnt said at all. i have played in over 5000 games. and less than 100 of them have had flaming going on. and with my mouth, combined with others that i know, should be a higher percentage than most.

100 out of 5110 games isnt bad. why do you even entertain what someone would say to you in game chat? just foe them. and for the 100 games out of 5000. i like my odds.

Why should someone who just wants to play a fun game have to be subject to that sort of nastiness? Why should the person who expresses concern about it be subject to even more of the nasty harassment from others? Why is it "the listener's" fault when someone spews nastiness?

"There's nothing you can do about what I just said in chat so go f*** yourself," is a pretty typical response; and since mods allow the behavior with no warnings, vacations, or bans, the nasty behavior is reinforced to thrive and flourish.

I don't agree that one instance of anything should cause a ban. I do believe that a complaint on something should cause the spewer to be given a warning by the mods here, unilaterally, regardless if the dude's a pal of the mod or not; regardless if the comment bothered the mod or not. Enough warnings then should be a vacation, and enough vacations should warrant a ban.

I don't see the chat-flaming problem as being "spillover from flame wars." The problem is, those who want to be nasty in chat (game, social, other forums) happen to KNOW nothing will be done about their behavior.

You don't teach a dog to stop shitting on the couch by continuing to invite him up; and you can't get rid of the stench if you just let it lie there but throw a towel over it. Foelist is a way the listener can stop inviting the dog onto the couch, but official CC action is required to clean up the doggie-do to get rid of the stench and train the dog to do his stinky business OUTside. "Flame Wars" was like the backyard: who cares how often the dogshit piled up out there?

[thegreekdog]

actually. nuff said wasnt said at all. i have played in over 5000 games. and less than 100 of them have had flaming going on. and with my mouth, combined with others that i know, should be a higher percentage than most.

100 out of 5110 games isnt bad. why do you even entertain what someone would say to you in game chat? just foe them. and for the 100 games out of 5000. i like my odds.

Why should someone who just wants to play a fun game have to be subject to that sort of nastiness? Why should the person who expresses concern about it be subject to even more of the nasty harassment from others? Why is it "the listener's" fault when someone spews nastiness?

"There's nothing you can do about what I just said in chat so go f*** yourself," is a pretty typical response; and since mods allow the behavior with no warnings, vacations, or bans, the nasty behavior is reinforced to thrive and flourish.

I don't agree that one instance of anything should cause a ban. I do believe that a complaint on something should cause the spewer to be given a warning by the mods here, unilaterally, regardless if the dude's a pal of the mod or not; regardless if the comment bothered the mod or not. Enough warnings then should be a vacation, and enough vacations should warrant a ban.

I don't see the chat-flaming problem as being "spillover from flame wars." The problem is, those who want to be nasty in chat (game, social, other forums) happen to KNOW nothing will be done about their behavior.

You don't teach a dog to stop shitting on the couch by continuing to invite him up; and you can't get rid of the stench if you just let it lie there but throw a towel over it. Foelist is a way the listener can stop inviting the dog onto the couch, but official CC action is required to clean up the doggie-do to get rid of the stench and train the dog to do his stinky business OUTside. "Flame Wars" was like the backyard: who cares how often the dogshit piled up out there?

To boil this down, I have been harrassed/flamed in game chat many times. I have never been harrassed/flamed in game chat by someone who is a Flame Wars Forum regular.

[GENERAL STONEHAM]

Oh my, what the heck. Are we going to police the chat in games?

Guys and gals, we're all basically anonymous, how can anyone be personally insulted? If you got a thin skin like today's moderators, just close your eyes and count to ten. OR, insult the moron back, unless of course it's deserved.

[thegreekdog]

Oh my, what the heck. Are we going to police the chat in games?

Guys and gals, we're all basically anonymous, how can anyone be personally insulted? If you got a thin skin like today's moderators, just close your eyes and count to ten. OR, insult the moron back, unless of course it's deserved.

It's a logic argument. As I've indicated in a number of previous posts on this thread, to trash Flame Wars because you want to curb flaming outside of Flame Wars does nothing to curb flaming outside of Flame Wars. This is my point.

[GENERAL STONEHAM]

You're absolutely right. To some how say, eliminating FLAME WARS is going to clean up the language in chat or other forums is ridiculous.

These anti-FLAMERS who FLAME others by saying they use their command of the ENGLISH language, with-out using personal attacks or foul words is a LIE!

I can call some one a "retard" or I can use "mentally retarded", but it means the same and guess what, both words are hurtful. OR, I can say "ass" or I can say "arse", big friggin [fuckin] deal.

We all can play semantics and a play on words, but let us leave the TRUE insults and street language where it belongs, FLAME WARS!

Yes, I know, and we hear it over and over again, FLAME WARS is DEAD. Yes, and we'll continue this discussion over and over again.

The fact is, the polls and the heated debate that followed the SUDDEN demise of FLAME WARS, was already decided prior by the administrators of C.C. and the cyber-thugs that used trolling and baiting to have warnings and bans issued out, like candy on Halloween.

YES, we know that this "site" is a private enterprise and you guys can do what you want, including using "bully methods," to win any argument against FLAME WARS. But, is that how REAL private enterprise treats their customers?

[stahrgazer]

It's a logic argument. As I've indicated in a number of previous posts on this thread, to trash Flame Wars because you want to curb flaming outside of Flame Wars does nothing to curb flaming outside of Flame Wars. This is my point.

Amen!

My point is, admin did nothing to curb flaming outside of flame wars for quite a few months that I'm aware of.

Check the C&A closed records, and how many of them said "foelist" for a gamechat or social chat comment someone didn't like, that qualified as flaming... despite the rules as they WERE written (can't say how they're written now) led you down a path that indicated, while cursing was sort of accepted, flaming wasn't allowed outside of the Flame Wars forum.

Now without a Flame Wars forum, I guess flaming is only disallowed in the now-nonexistant forum.

As for those who argue about people with skin too thin, who let this or that nasty get under it... if I go to a movie theater, I sure as hell don't want to pay the price of my ticket to have a manager allow other customers (or the managers and their assistants) to abuse me, even if it is "only verbal." Why would I pay the price of premium to be on CC to allow CC's other customers (or managers and their assistants; ie, mods) to abuse me? Answer? I won't. I value myself, my time, and my money (in that order) more than that.

Of course, if you're a 'thick skin' who thinks the answer should be, "abuse them back" and if you're the type who wants to pay to be abused, come on down to Florida, I have a whip, a flogger, some spiked heels...and can use the extra cash but.. don't count on me letting you abuse me back hehehehe

[neanderpaul14]

FLAMING is allowed by those who are all too happy to get rid of FLAME WARS.

Actually, you got that wrong, dude.

Flaming is now disallowed completely on this site.

This is an excellent decision, and the vast majority of CC members back it wholeheartedly.

THANK YOU, CC Administration!

Says the subject of many well deserved flames

[Serbia]

...the week long ban i received for something i am no longer allowed to mention or i will receive a perma-gan. lets just say it involved my being called the N-word in game chat.

Takes.... something, not sure what, to say "I'm not allowed to mention something" and then in the next breath go ahead and mention it anyway. Enjoy your perma-ban, I guess?

[AAFitz]

YES, we know that this "site" is a private enterprise and you guys can do what you want, including using "bully methods," to win any argument against FLAME WARS. But, is that how REAL private enterprise treats their customers?

yes. many private enterprises protect their customers against being verbally abused as they were commonly in flame wars. In reality most wouldnt have allowed it for so long.