hahaha3hahaha has been GUESTED

[stahrgazer]

I advise folks not to bother giving fitz examples; he's admitted in pm that he only reads parts of stuff.

(Probably explains alot)

[Woodruff]

Nagerous posted a NAZI swastika earlier in THIS thread.

You actually consider nagerous to be a member of "the good old boys club"? Seriously? Wow.

Seems to be part of the CC team via the newsletter woody. Where you been?

Dude, sailorseal was the head of the newsletter, and he was certainly never a member of the good old boys club.

[jefjef]

Nagerous posted a NAZI swastika earlier in THIS thread.

You actually consider nagerous to be a member of "the good old boys club"? Seriously? Wow.

Seems to be part of the CC team via the newsletter woody. Where you been?

Dude, sailorseal was the head of the newsletter, and he was certainly never a member of the good old boys club.

Dude. Regardless. The hahaha evil post was locked and ban issued to protect us from discussions of sensitive topics. But yet I see pics of the topic. HUH.

[stahrgazer]

I'll even answer one of Fitz' complaints: that haha flamed him or whatever here.

Yeah, it looks like it, but since he was already punished for something that by fitz' admission was DEBATABLE, it's even. Still doesn't explain why Fitz chose to argue against trolling by BAITING, which is TROLLING by the rules.

[AAFitz]

I'll even answer one of Fitz' complaints: that haha flamed him or whatever here.

Yeah, it looks like it, but since he was already punished for something that by fitz' admission was DEBATABLE, it's even. Still doesn't explain why Fitz chose to argue against trolling by BAITING, which is TROLLING by the rules.

I never complained that haha flamed me. I merely quoted what he said. I do think he was continuing to troll...and its part of the reason I think its obvious he was trolling in the beginning, but Im not really complaining about it... only pointing it out. If your blaming me for him calling me an analytical prick, or said I proved i was a homosexual, or jewish.. or that medefe must support prostitution...not to mention the part where he calls out every person that voted they thought it was fair...merely because I, or he, or they posted their opinion... than so be it. But accusing me of baiting while defending all of that...does seem just a tad unfair...

Its even? Is that how the forum is regulated. They keep score? You mean that if someone disagrees with someone...they can then say whatever they want??? Myself, ive never been warned of anything...in here, hahah just got off of a vacation..that doesnt mean he gets to break more rules? does it?..I could just as easily accuse you of baiting as well. I could even accuse you of derailing the topic by focusing on my alleged violations. I could accuse you of trolling by doing so. But you really have to quote what you think is trolling, or baiting, and why it broke the rules. Ill certainly be interested to see it. By all means make a cheating thread about it and quote where, and how I broke the rules. But Im pretty sure carrying on about it in here is derailing the thread... which I absolutely know is against the rules. If I was out of line, I will certainly accept any responsibility for it. But please... quote the violations, and explain why they were breaking the rules when doing so.

As far as admitting something is debatable, that does not mean it is not true. Sure, maybe haha was not trolling...maybe he did mean to simply discuss the subject intelligently. Its simply dumb to say that isnt possible. However, acknowledging that it might not be true, does not preclude me from saying I still believe it to be true.

Quite frankly, I think its clear you are the one baiting and trolling now, not to mention making completely unsubstantiated accusations.

[AAFitz]

What was the INTENT of this example from page 4 Mr. Fitz? What statement? Who is it aimed at? Why no mod edit of it? Now. Good day to you.

quote="nagerous"]

[/quote]

So, you are saying that this picture from a movie, is exactly equal to what haha wrote, and deserves a vacation? Fair enough... But do you have any examples of where someone actually posted any words along with their supposed trolling?

Certainly this post includes the swastika, but it does seem to lack the homophobia, the mention of prostitutes, and quite frankly as a picture, lacks quite a bit of the tone that hahas post does. If you are saying you believe they are equal in intent however, that is certainly your right. Granted, haha was vacationed for trolling, not his mention of the swastika per-se.

Also, how do you know this might actually not be warned against?...though I suspect, as just being a movie picture, it would not be. It is also a picture from a movie that expressly is designed to show the dangers of the neo-nazi movement, what can happen within that culture, and done so more or less based on a true story.

[jefjef]

So as long as it's from a movie it's all fair game in your opinion.

Well I'm not calling for disciplinary measures against Nagerous.

I am asking for this thread to be locked.

[AAFitz]

So as long as it's from a movie it's all fair game in your opinion.

Well I'm not calling for disciplinary measures against Nagerous.

I am asking for this thread to be locked.

Not at all. You posted the example of one that was similar to what haha wrote. If you think posting that picture is equal to what haha was vacationed for, so be it. I only said I didnt think that picture was anything close to what haha posted.

We did all agree the thread should be locked a while back ironically enough, but it has now been derailed by accusations of others for a great number of things.

[MeDeFe]

Here's the message for the people who asked:

"Congratulations on your first forum ban. It's a 24 hour special offer of absolutely no posting in the fora nor reading or sending private messages. You won this fine prize because you trolled in General Discussion.

viewtopic.php?p=2380214#p2380214

There's an explanation of the reasons there that you can read and think about.

From medefe"

This warning issued to hahaha3 is a bait and so full of flippant arrogance that it is obvious that the ban was issued for personal reasons.

If someone on the good ole boys list had made the same post I'm sure it would have been handled differently. Probably not handled at all.

Yes, the tone is flippant, but that's not because I have some secret grudge against hax3, it's because from his forum posts so far I had reached the conclusion that he had a robust sense of humour as well as a healthy dose self-confidence and could handle a message like that without becoming emotionally scarred for life. I honestly hope I was not wrong.

If I really offended hax3 with the message because of how it was written, I'm sorry. But I'd hate to have to go all suit and tie on people in the future.

[stahrgazer]

If I really offended hax3 with the message because of how it was written, I'm sorry. But I'd hate to have to go all suit and tie on people in the future.

*smooch* MeDeFe
Now, that sounds reasonable of you.

[nagerous]

The image was actually a private joke between me and hahaha, as we are both fans of that movie yet I was surprised with the venom of his other thread, so I posted that image for many reasons: mainly as a comparison between haha and ed norton in an attempt of some light-hearted humour and also because it is a great movie. I was in no way trying to troll with the image nor give off a message of support towards neo-nazis and I highly resent any accusation that in posting that image I was doing so.

[stahrgazer]

I was in no way trying to troll with the image nor give off a message of support towards neo-nazis and I highly resent any accusation that in posting that image I was doing so.

hmm... interesting... sounds like basically haha's point about the thread he got whipped for; he wasn't supporting neo-nazis, if one reads it thoroughly. He might have been trying to troll; I don't think so, others think it's "debatable" one moment, "clear" the next, and for that, he should've been given benefit of the doubt. At most, thread locked and a mild pm telling him it looked far too much like trolling to let pass totally, but that it's not clear enough to punish for.

For the record, I don't think you were trying to troll either.

[AAFitz]

The image was actually a private joke between me and hahaha, as we are both fans of that movie yet I was surprised with the venom of his other thread, so I posted that image for many reasons: mainly as a comparison between haha and ed norton in an attempt of some light-hearted humour and also because it is a great movie. I was in no way trying to troll with the image nor give off a message of support towards neo-nazis and I highly resent any accusation that in posting that image I was doing so.

Actually, that was obvious.

The movie was completely anti-neo nazi. In any case, comparing one picture, to haha's thread is really silly.

[AAFitz]

I was in no way trying to troll with the image nor give off a message of support towards neo-nazis and I highly resent any accusation that in posting that image I was doing so.

hmm... interesting... sounds like basically haha's point about the thread he got whipped for; he wasn't supporting neo-nazis, if one reads it thoroughly. He might have been trying to troll; I don't think so, others think it's "debatable" one moment, "clear" the next, and for that, he should've been given benefit of the doubt. At most, thread locked and a mild pm telling him it looked far too much like trolling to let pass totally, but that it's not clear enough to punish for.

For the record, I don't think you were trying to troll either.

Yes.. It is clear to me that haha was trolling. I think its clear to many. Myself Ive never questioned it for a second. That of course does not mean its not debatable. They are by no means mutually exclusive. I post that its debatable, and that I understand why you thought it was not trolling...but not that I think you are right. Only that I understand your side of the argument.

As far as the picture...it is in no way comparable to the thread of haha, any more than a picture of a prostitute would have been. In this case, the picture was actually a useful example of how a swastika might actually be ok to post. It was on topic, and as worthy a comment as any in the thread. Is there a picture out there that could have been considered trolling, absolutely...but I dont think this one is by any means. But yes, that is debatable too.

[hahaha3hahaha]

I don't know, people love accusing others. I'm enjoying watch these wannabe-mods tell me I'm a troll, it gives me satisfaction seeing them whinge over nothing, trying to prove they're good CC citizens in public. Anyway, I'll set one up and invite you.

Well, at the same time, you were complaining about not being able to use a swastika...

Again, complete bullshit. Who said I wanted to display a swastika anywhere, quote me please. That's the equivalent of saying if someone asks how a gun is made, that it means they want to shoot someone. I wasn't even clear, seeing that it's not in the rules page nor community guidelines, if it was legal or not- hence the thread.

All haha ever had to do, to convince people he was not trolling, was post something like this.

[quote"theoretically sincere person"]Hey, Im sorry for the way I phrased that. Obviously some did misunderstand it as homophobic, and really I just rushed through it. My goal really was to just discuss the many other uses of the swastika, and point out that not all of them are necessarily racist. If anyone was offended, I certainly apologize, but my intent was not to troll.

[/quote]

I will never apologize for NOT trolling, ever.

What was the INTENT of this example from page 4 Mr. Fitz? What statement? Who is it aimed at? Why no mod edit of it? Now. Good day to you.

quote="nagerous"]

So, you are saying that this picture from a movie, is exactly equal to what haha wrote, and deserves a vacation?

There are plenty of movies where gays are bashed, does that make it OK? I never even condoned gay bashing in the first place.

Yes, the tone is flippant, but that's not because I have some secret grudge against hax3, it's because from his forum posts so far I had reached the conclusion that he had a robust sense of humour as well as a healthy dose self-confidence and could handle a message like that without becoming emotionally scarred for life. I honestly hope I was not wrong.

If I really offended hax3 with the message because of how it was written, I'm sorry. But I'd hate to have to go all suit and tie on people in the future.

OK, so you can explain the e-mail, I'm happy with the answer. Now hopefully you can find the guts to stand by your decision to ban me in the first place. I noticed you completely disappeared when the hard questions from Star and Jef started rolling in, and you left AAfitz to defend you. Where have you been for the past 7 or so pages?

The image was actually a private joke between me and hahaha, as we are both fans of that movie yet I was surprised with the venom of his other thread, so I posted that image for many reasons: mainly as a comparison between haha and ed norton in an attempt of some light-hearted humour and also because it is a great movie. I was in no way trying to troll with the image nor give off a message of support towards neo-nazis and I highly resent any accusation that in posting that image I was doing so.

Yeah, it was a private joke between me and Nag- no trolling here.

[stahrgazer]

blahblahblah.

Like i said folks, he also admitted he doesn't read thoroughly... which tells me he reads just enough to cement a skewed viewpoint, and refuses to read further.

[AAFitz]

Well, at the same time, you were complaining about not being able to use a swastika...

Again, complete bullshit. Who said I wanted to display a swastika anywhere, quote me please. That's the equivalent of saying if someone asks how a gun is made, that it means they want to shoot someone. I wasn't even clear, seeing that it's not in the rules page nor community guidelines, if it was legal or not- hence the thread.

Well, you are complaining about being banned for discussing one. But, your analogy is ridiculous...your thread was about the right to post a swastika or more precisely, CC's stance on one... at best its possibly the equivalent of saying you agree with the right to carry a gun perhaps though, weather or not you wish to carry one too..Comparing it to shooting someone just doesn't make any sense.

All haha ever had to do, to convince people he was not trolling, was post something like this.

[quote"theoretically sincere person"]Hey, Im sorry for the way I phrased that. Obviously some did misunderstand it as homophobic, and really I just rushed through it. My goal really was to just discuss the many other uses of the swastika, and point out that not all of them are necessarily racist. If anyone was offended, I certainly apologize, but my intent was not to troll.

[/quote]

I will never apologize for NOT trolling, ever.

Obviously.

What was the INTENT of this example from page 4 Mr. Fitz? What statement? Who is it aimed at? Why no mod edit of it? Now. Good day to you.

So, you are saying that this picture from a movie, is exactly equal to what haha wrote, and deserves a vacation?

There are plenty of movies where gays are bashed, does that make it OK? I never even condoned gay bashing in the first place.[/quote]

What does gay bashing have to do with anything in this thread? Or this picture? Who mentioned gay bashing? Are all pictures ok from all movies?...absolutely not...is this one Ok... in my opinion yes...especially since it actually is on topic, and the entire movie could even be seen as a counter to your original post. Jefjef simply posted this because he said he thought it should be edited..or that he thought it was the same as your thread, and that by allowing it, it meant there was inequity on the forum. It was the only example shown.

Yes, the tone is flippant, but that's not because I have some secret grudge against hax3, it's because from his forum posts so far I had reached the conclusion that he had a robust sense of humour as well as a healthy dose self-confidence and could handle a message like that without becoming emotionally scarred for life. I honestly hope I was not wrong.

If I really offended hax3 with the message because of how it was written, I'm sorry. But I'd hate to have to go all suit and tie on people in the future.

OK, so you can explain the e-mail, I'm happy with the answer. Now hopefully you can find the guts to stand by your decision to ban me in the first place. I noticed you completely disappeared when the hard questions from Star and Jef started rolling in, and you left AAfitz to defend you. Where have you been for the past 7 or so pages?

Im not defending anyone. Im simply posting my opinions in a forum.

The image was actually a private joke between me and hahaha, as we are both fans of that movie yet I was surprised with the venom of his other thread, so I posted that image for many reasons: mainly as a comparison between haha and ed norton in an attempt of some light-hearted humour and also because it is a great movie. I was in no way trying to troll with the image nor give off a message of support towards neo-nazis and I highly resent any accusation that in posting that image I was doing so.

Yeah, it was a private joke between me and Nag- no trolling here.

I agree with that.

[stahrgazer]

I gather, then, haha, that fitz agrees with your original post (you remember, the one you were banned for posting?): it should be okay to use a swastika.

Your big crime was to DISCUSS a swastika.

[AAFitz]

blahblahblah.

Like i said folks, he also admitted he doesn't read thoroughly... which tells me he reads just enough to cement a skewed viewpoint, and refuses to read further.

I find it funny you were accusing me of baiting earlier, and are posting this....which doesnt seem to have much to do with the actual subject...

But let me explain, since you brought it up.

I did admit I told you I did not read everything. However, when I said I didnt read everything thoroughly, I was referring to one of your many pms that you sent me that was not only silly, but ridiculously long. And fully admit.. I doubt very much id read much more of what you write since in the same conversation you yourself you were completely biased after being harassed by the mods in the past, and have made it quite clear that now you are getting personal against me, when I am clearly just trying to post my opinions on the subject... which is about whether haha was trolling. However, I did read everything haha wrote. And yes, after reading all seven sentences or so, I still feel it was trolling. After reading what he added to the subject, I know it for a fact.

But, are you once again derailing this topic with a private conversation that you and I had though? After accusing me of trolling and baiting in the same thread? And also complaining of others being inconsistent?

Interesting.

[AAFitz]

I gather, then, haha, that fitz agrees with your original post (you remember, the one you were banned for posting?): it should be okay to use a swastika.

Your big crime was to DISCUSS a swastika.

I completely agree that it is ok to discuss a swastika. I completely agree its ok to discuss any of the topics. Ive said that repeatedly. I do however think he was just trying to troll however, and not discuss any of them, which is why he got banned, and why I happen to think he deserved it.

There was no big crime here. He simply broke the trolling rules and received a short vacation. Some think it was a valid vacation, and others do not.

[stahrgazer]

But, are you once again derailing this topic with a private conversation that you and I had though? After accusing me of trolling and baiting in the same thread? And also complaining of others being inconsistent?

No, you are.

[hahaha3hahaha]

I fixed all AAfitz's quoting seeing that he stuffed it up, I don't want people confusing my words for his spam and trash. Good discussion, AAfitz, but it is obvious by your (I'll say it yet again so maybe you'll get the message) repetitive babble that you have admitted defeat without directly saying so.

Well, at the same time, you were complaining about not being able to use a swastika...

Again, complete bullshit. Who said I wanted to display a swastika anywhere, quote me please. That's the equivalent of saying if someone asks how a gun is made, that it means they want to shoot someone. I wasn't even clear, seeing that it's not in the rules page nor community guidelines, if it was legal or not- hence the thread.

Well, you are complaining about being banned for discussing one. But, your analogy is ridiculous...your thread was about the right to post a swastika or more precisely, CC's stance on one... at best its possibly the equivalent of saying you agree with the right to carry a gun perhaps though, weather or not you wish to carry one too..Comparing it to shooting someone just doesn't make any sense.

All haha ever had to do, to convince people he was not trolling, was post something like this.

[quote"theoretically sincere person"]Hey, Im sorry for the way I phrased that. Obviously some did misunderstand it as homophobic, and really I just rushed through it. My goal really was to just discuss the many other uses of the swastika, and point out that not all of them are necessarily racist. If anyone was offended, I certainly apologize, but my intent was not to troll.

I will never apologize for NOT trolling, ever.

Obviously.

So, you are saying that this picture from a movie, is exactly equal to what haha wrote, and deserves a vacation?

There are plenty of movies where gays are bashed, does that make it OK? I never even condoned gay bashing in the first place.

What does gay bashing have to do with anything in this thread? Or this picture? Who mentioned gay bashing? Are all pictures ok from all movies?...absolutely not...is this one Ok... in my opinion yes...especially since it actually is on topic, and the entire movie could even be seen as a counter to your original post. Jefjef simply posted this because he said he thought it should be edited..or that he thought it was the same as your thread, and that by allowing it, it meant there was inequity on the forum. It was the only example shown.

Yes, the tone is flippant, but that's not because I have some secret grudge against hax3, it's because from his forum posts so far I had reached the conclusion that he had a robust sense of humour as well as a healthy dose self-confidence and could handle a message like that without becoming emotionally scarred for life. I honestly hope I was not wrong.
If I really offended hax3 with the message because of how it was written, I'm sorry. But I'd hate to have to go all suit and tie on people in the future.

OK, so you can explain the e-mail, I'm happy with the answer. Now hopefully you can find the guts to stand by your decision to ban me in the first place. I noticed you completely disappeared when the hard questions from Star and Jef started rolling in, and you left AAfitz to defend you. Where have you been for the past 7 or so pages?

Im not defending anyone. Im simply posting my opinions in a forum.

The image was actually a private joke between me and hahaha, as we are both fans of that movie yet I was surprised with the venom of his other thread, so I posted that image for many reasons: mainly as a comparison between haha and ed norton in an attempt of some light-hearted humour and also because it is a great movie. I was in no way trying to troll with the image nor give off a message of support towards neo-nazis and I highly resent any accusation that in posting that image I was doing so.

Yeah, it was a private joke between me and Nag- no trolling here.

I agree with that.

[stahrgazer]

I completely agree that it is ok to discuss a swastika. I completely agree its ok to discuss any of the topics. Ive said that repeatedly. I do however think he was just trying to troll however, and not discuss any of them, which is why he got banned, and why I happen to think he deserved it.
.

But you refuse to read the information that shows you how you're misinterpreting...even when you asked. interesting.

So, there ya go, haha.. discuss away, and post away.. except, if you do, now, you'll be convicted of trolling, because that'll be the 2nd post of a topic that you were already victimized for making. So don't do it, it's a trap!

[AAFitz]

I completely agree that it is ok to discuss a swastika. I completely agree its ok to discuss any of the topics. Ive said that repeatedly. I do however think he was just trying to troll however, and not discuss any of them, which is why he got banned, and why I happen to think he deserved it.
.

But you refuse to read the information that shows you how you're misinterpreting...even when you asked. interesting.

So, there ya go, haha.. discuss away, and post away.. except, if you do, now, you'll be convicted of trolling, because that'll be the 2nd post of a topic that you were already victimized for making. So don't do it, it's a trap!

I dont refuse to read any relevant information. I simply refused to read everything you sent me. Just because you wrote it, doesnt make it relevant, or important in my opinion. I read his entire post and believe it was trolling. The fact that you sent me a couple of pages of pms and I didnt care to read them, doesn't affect that at all. Further, those were private pms... for all you know, I did read them, and only told you I didnt read them to mess with you... it was all private conversation...and while about this topic...completely irrelevant to it.

As far as using my opinion of what one can discuss, and one cant discuss on the forum however is insane. Im just another poster, who's posting my opinion. I don't make the rules, help make the rules, or even care too much about the rules. I just happened to see this thread, read the post he made, and agreed that it was trolling. And since at least 32 other people did also, Ill assume its possible I am justified in my belief. But again, while you have no respect for my opinion, I respect your right to disagree that it was trolling, and fully understand why you think it was not. Again... we happen to disagree. Ive come to accept that fully. Perhaps its time you do too?

[AAFitz]

I fixed all AAfitz's quoting seeing that he stuffed it up,

Thank you for that.

I don't want people confusing my words for his spam and trash. Good discussion, AAfitz, but it is obvious by your (I'll say it yet again so maybe you'll get the message) repetitive babble that you have admitted defeat without directly saying so.

Defeat? I simply posted that I agree your post was trolling and explained why. Some will agree, some wont. Its not really a contest.

If it is spam to respond to what you wrote about the topic of the thread, so be it. Feel free to report it as such. I unlike many will accept responsibility for anything I write.