Michael Jackson dead

[nagerous]

I am just saying that if your mum or dad died and your friends started cracking jokes about them or saying stuff like your dad was a heavy drinker etc. you would not be best pleased and that is putting it mildly - you would be furious and terribly upset so have some common decency to treat other peoples lives with the respect you want of your own.

[Martin Ronne]

He danced like a moron and sang like one too.

Great contribution... I wonder what they'll say when you die?? 'Fat f*ck who sat around at the computer most of the time and achieved nothing noteworthy with his life' ??

I'll have you know I'm a classical organist, pianist, harpsichordist, and composer. I'll be a freshman in a well know conservatory in the fall, with a double major in Organ performance and Composition. I've been in the sunday paper once, on tv twice, (once in Wales) and I was the featured guest Organist on a chicago radio station last summer playing live for about 20 minutes and interviewed for 10. My high school aged choir won 3rd place in the adult chamber devision of the Llangollen International Musical Eisteddfod in Llangollen, Wales.

[DAZMCFC]

I am just saying that if your mum or dad died and your friends started cracking jokes about them or saying stuff like your dad was a heavy drinker etc. you would not be best pleased and that is putting it mildly - you would be furious and terribly upset so have some common decency to treat other peoples lives with the respect you want of your own.

nag, i think you're a top-notch bloke, but this is a kiddy-fiddler off the highest degree. just read Jim's post in the Wacko's dead thread. he hits the nail on the head.


also, i've heard Gary Glitter has been given the rights to look after Wacko's kids to keep routine familiar.

[King_Herpes]

He danced like a moron and sang like one too.

Great contribution... I wonder what they'll say when you die?? 'Fat f*ck who sat around at the computer most of the time and achieved nothing noteworthy with his life' ??

I'll have you know I'm a classical organist, pianist, harpsichordist, and composer. I'll be a freshman in a well know conservatory in the fall, with a double major in Organ performance and Composition. I've been in the sunday paper once, on tv twice, (once in Wales) and I was the featured guest Organist on a chicago radio station last summer playing live for about 20 minutes and interviewed for 10. My high school aged choir won 3rd place in the adult chamber devision of the Llangollen International Musical Eisteddfod in Llangollen, Wales.

But do you touch kids and then donate butt loads of money to charities?

[Genghis Khant]

also, i've heard Gary Glitter has been given the rights to look after Wacko's kids to keep routine familiar.

yeah? I'd heard that Garry Glitter was moving to Bridgend. Apparently the kids there are well hung.

[MeDeFe]

GUITAR SOLO!

[AAFitz]

I am just saying that if your mum or dad died and your friends started cracking jokes about them or saying stuff like your dad was a heavy drinker etc. you would not be best pleased and that is putting it mildly - you would be furious and terribly upset so have some common decency to treat other peoples lives with the respect you want of your own.

I agree its wrong as hell to make fun of a dead guy, but heres the thing. Hes dead. The reason he is taking crap, is because of the child molestation...and heres the reason we are subconsciously making fun of him...its a societal way of dealing with such things... especially on the internet...Im not saying its right, but people are pissing on this guys grave, in order to demonstrate what happens to people that do what he did.

Its not all just in fun. Much of it is anger and hate, and making sure all know what people think of child molesters. Im not saying he is guilty or deserves it, but I dont knock the message.

When my dad dies, if someone brings up his drinking, it will be in bad taste. Id be very surprised. If he molested a little kid, and ruined his life, it would be in bad taste to bring it up, but I would not only not be surprised, I would expect it. And though he is my dad, I would say he deserves it. You make your choices, and live with the consequences. There are some things that are unforgivable. To expect any respect of any kind after doing them, is just ridiculous. To forgive bad things because the guy could sing and do the moon walk would be corruption on a basic level. He had great resources and privileges , but he undid any good he ever did by hurting other people, and in this case, defenseless ones.

[john9blue]

he undid any good he ever did by hurting other people, and in this case, defenseless ones.

From what I know of MJ he did a lot of good, much more than could ever be outweighed by molestation charges, whether 1 kid or 10, whether truth or lies.

[Strife]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8062350/

Just throwing that out there.

[MeDeFe]

he undid any good he ever did by hurting other people, and in this case, defenseless ones.

From what I know of MJ he did a lot of good, much more than could ever be outweighed by molestation charges, whether 1 kid or 10, whether truth or lies.

Interesting...

Are you saying that basically a bad deed can be "undone" by a good one? If I kill a person I can make it up by spending a certain amount of time caring for the homeless?

[AAFitz]

he undid any good he ever did by hurting other people, and in this case, defenseless ones.

From what I know of MJ he did a lot of good, much more than could ever be outweighed by molestation charges, whether 1 kid or 10, whether truth or lies.

Cool, so as long as you do some good, youre allowed to molest people...

and im not saying he did, Im only saying that if he did, it was undone.

Im explaining the reasoning behind it. It is truly a tragedy if it was made up. But to say someone can molest one child because they did some good, is to undermine the entire justice system, and the actual idea of justice itself.

No one is above the law. A plumber who never harmed a child did more for this world than MJ if he did.

Further, If MJ truly loved children, and is completely innocent, then he would gladly be a martyr, to show other would be molesters the fate that awaits them. The message is clear...hurt a child...you are worthless...no matter how much good you did, or ever will do.

[captain.crazy]

he undid any good he ever did by hurting other people, and in this case, defenseless ones.

From what I know of MJ he did a lot of good, much more than could ever be outweighed by molestation charges, whether 1 kid or 10, whether truth or lies.

Cool, so as long as you do some good, youre allowed to molest people...

and im not saying he did, Im only saying that if he did, it was undone.

Im explaining the reasoning behind it. It is truly a tragedy if it was made up. But to say someone can molest one child because they did some good, is to undermine the entire justice system, and the actual idea of justice itself.

No one is above the law. A plumber who never harmed a child did more for this world than MJ if he did.

Go easy on Michael... after all... he only did it because he loved the children...

It wasn't sexual...

[AAFitz]

he undid any good he ever did by hurting other people, and in this case, defenseless ones.

From what I know of MJ he did a lot of good, much more than could ever be outweighed by molestation charges, whether 1 kid or 10, whether truth or lies.

Cool, so as long as you do some good, youre allowed to molest people...

and im not saying he did, Im only saying that if he did, it was undone.

Im explaining the reasoning behind it. It is truly a tragedy if it was made up. But to say someone can molest one child because they did some good, is to undermine the entire justice system, and the actual idea of justice itself.

No one is above the law. A plumber who never harmed a child did more for this world than MJ if he did.

Go easy on Michael... after all... he only did it because he loved the children...

It wasn't sexual...

To be fair, I dont believe it was ever proven beyond a reasonable doubt, so he is innocent until proven guilty.

[HapSmo19]

he undid any good he ever did by hurting other people, and in this case, defenseless ones.

From what I know of MJ he did a lot of good, much more than could ever be outweighed by molestation charges, whether 1 kid or 10, whether truth or lies.

Interesting...

Are you saying that basically a bad deed can be "undone" by a good one? If I kill a person I can make it up by spending a certain amount of time caring for the homeless?

Even more interesting.....

Why don't you just kill the homeless? You know, two birds and all.....?

[MeDeFe]

he undid any good he ever did by hurting other people, and in this case, defenseless ones.

From what I know of MJ he did a lot of good, much more than could ever be outweighed by molestation charges, whether 1 kid or 10, whether truth or lies.

Interesting...

Are you saying that basically a bad deed can be "undone" by a good one? If I kill a person I can make it up by spending a certain amount of time caring for the homeless?

Even more interesting.....

Why don't you just kill the homeless? You know, two birds and all.....?

Because then you'd have to do a good deed by caring for African orphans or something, which is a lot work.

[jammyjames]

i think some of the shit that is being told about michael jackson is utter filth, i beleive him to be a good man, and f*ck off was he a pedophile.. just people making accusations to get his money. all i can say is i hope that his kids are going to be alright. let him rest in peace.

[MeDeFe]

... let him rest in peace.

As already mentioned: I hope he does. Otherwise we'll have a heap of moondancing zombies around.

[captain.crazy]

I don't think that he was actually a man by the end... anyway, I am pretty sure that he staged his death to get out ot his tour obligations and to jack up the rates of his stuff. He will be found in Vegas, training the MJ impersonators along side Elvis.

[F1fth]

I wasn't going to say anything, folks seem so intent on slurring a man who cannot defend himself in any way now. A man who is done.

I don't know too much about the man, but I do know that his life was something to which many people aspire, but which likely fits the definition of "be careful what you wish for". Many of you are too young to remember, but when he was at his height, blacks were still routinely excluded from jobs, social clubs and buying houses in certain areas. Busing was in full force. This WAS just past the biggest race battles, but there is always a gap between laws and the reality.

The equality that we see today did not come easily. Every step, almost, took a fight. People were hired, but often only under quiet (or overt) protest by those hiring and those with whom they would work.

Michael Jackson was one of those who helped change things, who helped ease the attitudes of people. Yes, he was a "pop star", not an "average guy", but his posters graced the walls of many child's rooms, his music boomed on radios of whites and blacks alike. I can remember watching him on TV occasionally myself.

Add to that all the troubles of any child star, rocketed to huge fame way too young and with parent just not adept, experienced enough to really know the limits. It takes a pretty strong person to turn down several hundred thousand dollars so your child can play baseball or go to the park. When you add in all the difficulties of race... you have someone who had a very hard time even understanding what normal was.

I am going to say that I do not believe the molestation charges at all. I believe he was an extremely naive man who acted around kids not his own in ways that used to be OK, but that today lend anyone to charges of molestation. Most of us know not only not to sit on our beds with any kids but our own (innnocently, watching TV, etc, but still...), for that matter the new rule is often to not be alone with kids of the opposite sex AT ALL. This is not a matter of safety, it is paranoia and protecting ourselves. Michael Jackson did not understand those rules. He did not understand because he was part spoiled child not used to even hearing "no", part child himself, not really willing to grow up yet and partially, just naive in thinking he just did not have to worry about such things like being sued by people out for monetary gain. BUT, I know not everyone agrees. You each have a right to your own opinion. It is done, it is over.

But, whatever you say remember 2 things.

1. The world we live in today would not be the same musically , perhaps even racially without Michael Jackson. It is possible someone else would have stepped in to fill those roles had he not done so, but the point is it was him. It is to him we owe thanks for much of our culture today.

2. He has children and a family who right now are grieving, who did not themselves ask to be thrust into fame. No matter what we think, he was loved by many who are now grieving. Stepping on that is just in poor taste.

Are you actually holding up MJ as some kind of icon for blacks in America? This bizarre freak who did everything in his power to make himself whiter than white? Are we talking about the same person?!! Have you looked at his picture?! He was so ashamed of being black that he turned himself into a fooking sideshow freak!

How could anyone with the slightest modicum of rational thought hold that freak up as any kind of example or role model for a black person???? He was a talented showman - so fooking what? This does not by any means qualify him as a person to be admired for anything but his value as an entertainer. Hell, if Hitler could carry a tune i guess he too would have a place in your heart.

Sorry, but i have no sympathy for paedophiles, and when someone brings such a charge against you, you don't settle out of court - you fight to the death to clear your name, unless of course you're guilty.


Honibaz

BK, too true. why settle out off court when you are innocent. this bloke was a kiddy fiddleler. just read Jimbobs post if he wasn't.

Let's just assume you are as rich as Michael Jackson, and some family accuses you of molestation and you're innocent.

Do you...
A. Go to court and stake your word against the child's? Think of what this would mean: it would be your word against his (what evidence could there be?). So, the child would tell a false story about you touching him, and then you call that child a liar. Good idea, guys, that'll make you look great!

B. Give them the money, of which you have tons to spare, and forgo the process?

The answer is obvious. ANYONE in his shoes would do the same thing. Now, that's not to say he's not guilty. But I wouldn't be so sure that he is; trying to make money out of bullshit lawsuits is not exactly a rare occurrence. But of course, people are disgusted with the possibility of having committed the crime, but not of having falsified the charge against a innocent albeit weird as hell man. (Which I think is worse because that would mean the boy is with some fucked up parents).

As for his skin color, BK displays a surprising amount of ignorance. MJ had vitiligo and lupus, two skin diseases which cause blotches on your skin. Many sufferers of this disease wear make-up to hide it, as going out in public looking diseased is probably worse than looking like a weirdo. I'll concede that it was his fault his face (primarily his nose and chin) looked horrendous due to all the plastic surgery.

That's all I have to say about the guy other than his music was good.

[MeDeFe]

Save yourself a penny for the ferryman
Save yourself and let them suffer
In hope
In love
This world ain't ready for The Ark

[DAZMCFC]

I wasn't going to say anything, folks seem so intent on slurring a man who cannot defend himself in any way now. A man who is done.

I don't know too much about the man, but I do know that his life was something to which many people aspire, but which likely fits the definition of "be careful what you wish for". Many of you are too young to remember, but when he was at his height, blacks were still routinely excluded from jobs, social clubs and buying houses in certain areas. Busing was in full force. This WAS just past the biggest race battles, but there is always a gap between laws and the reality.

The equality that we see today did not come easily. Every step, almost, took a fight. People were hired, but often only under quiet (or overt) protest by those hiring and those with whom they would work.

Michael Jackson was one of those who helped change things, who helped ease the attitudes of people. Yes, he was a "pop star", not an "average guy", but his posters graced the walls of many child's rooms, his music boomed on radios of whites and blacks alike. I can remember watching him on TV occasionally myself.

Add to that all the troubles of any child star, rocketed to huge fame way too young and with parent just not adept, experienced enough to really know the limits. It takes a pretty strong person to turn down several hundred thousand dollars so your child can play baseball or go to the park. When you add in all the difficulties of race... you have someone who had a very hard time even understanding what normal was.

I am going to say that I do not believe the molestation charges at all. I believe he was an extremely naive man who acted around kids not his own in ways that used to be OK, but that today lend anyone to charges of molestation. Most of us know not only not to sit on our beds with any kids but our own (innnocently, watching TV, etc, but still...), for that matter the new rule is often to not be alone with kids of the opposite sex AT ALL. This is not a matter of safety, it is paranoia and protecting ourselves. Michael Jackson did not understand those rules. He did not understand because he was part spoiled child not used to even hearing "no", part child himself, not really willing to grow up yet and partially, just naive in thinking he just did not have to worry about such things like being sued by people out for monetary gain. BUT, I know not everyone agrees. You each have a right to your own opinion. It is done, it is over.

But, whatever you say remember 2 things.

1. The world we live in today would not be the same musically , perhaps even racially without Michael Jackson. It is possible someone else would have stepped in to fill those roles had he not done so, but the point is it was him. It is to him we owe thanks for much of our culture today.

2. He has children and a family who right now are grieving, who did not themselves ask to be thrust into fame. No matter what we think, he was loved by many who are now grieving. Stepping on that is just in poor taste.

Are you actually holding up MJ as some kind of icon for blacks in America? This bizarre freak who did everything in his power to make himself whiter than white? Are we talking about the same person?!! Have you looked at his picture?! He was so ashamed of being black that he turned himself into a fooking sideshow freak!

How could anyone with the slightest modicum of rational thought hold that freak up as any kind of example or role model for a black person???? He was a talented showman - so fooking what? This does not by any means qualify him as a person to be admired for anything but his value as an entertainer. Hell, if Hitler could carry a tune i guess he too would have a place in your heart.

Sorry, but i have no sympathy for paedophiles, and when someone brings such a charge against you, you don't settle out of court - you fight to the death to clear your name, unless of course you're guilty.


Honibaz

BK, too true. why settle out off court when you are innocent. this bloke was a kiddy fiddleler. just read Jimbobs post if he wasn't.

Let's just assume you are as rich as Michael Jackson, and some family accuses you of molestation and you're innocent.

Do you...
A. Go to court and stake your word against the child's? Think of what this would mean: it would be your word against his (what evidence could there be?). So, the child would tell a false story about you touching him, and then you call that child a liar. Good idea, guys, that'll make you look great!

B. Give them the money, of which you have tons to spare, and forgo the process?

The answer is obvious. ANYONE in his shoes would do the same thing. Now, that's not to say he's not guilty. But I wouldn't be so sure that he is; trying to make money out of bullshit lawsuits is not exactly a rare occurrence. But of course, people are disgusted with the possibility of having committed the crime, but not of having falsified the charge against a innocent albeit weird as hell man. (Which I think is worse because that would mean the boy is with some fucked up parents).

As for his skin color, BK displays a surprising amount of ignorance. MJ had vitiligo and lupus, two skin diseases which cause blotches on your skin. Many sufferers of this disease wear make-up to hide it, as going out in public looking diseased is probably worse than looking like a weirdo. I'll concede that it was his fault his face (primarily his nose and chin) looked horrendous due to all the plastic surgery.

That's all I have to say about the guy other than his music was good.

bollocks he is a kiddy fiddler and that is it.

[F1fth]

I wasn't going to say anything, folks seem so intent on slurring a man who cannot defend himself in any way now. A man who is done.

I don't know too much about the man, but I do know that his life was something to which many people aspire, but which likely fits the definition of "be careful what you wish for". Many of you are too young to remember, but when he was at his height, blacks were still routinely excluded from jobs, social clubs and buying houses in certain areas. Busing was in full force. This WAS just past the biggest race battles, but there is always a gap between laws and the reality.

The equality that we see today did not come easily. Every step, almost, took a fight. People were hired, but often only under quiet (or overt) protest by those hiring and those with whom they would work.

Michael Jackson was one of those who helped change things, who helped ease the attitudes of people. Yes, he was a "pop star", not an "average guy", but his posters graced the walls of many child's rooms, his music boomed on radios of whites and blacks alike. I can remember watching him on TV occasionally myself.

Add to that all the troubles of any child star, rocketed to huge fame way too young and with parent just not adept, experienced enough to really know the limits. It takes a pretty strong person to turn down several hundred thousand dollars so your child can play baseball or go to the park. When you add in all the difficulties of race... you have someone who had a very hard time even understanding what normal was.

I am going to say that I do not believe the molestation charges at all. I believe he was an extremely naive man who acted around kids not his own in ways that used to be OK, but that today lend anyone to charges of molestation. Most of us know not only not to sit on our beds with any kids but our own (innnocently, watching TV, etc, but still...), for that matter the new rule is often to not be alone with kids of the opposite sex AT ALL. This is not a matter of safety, it is paranoia and protecting ourselves. Michael Jackson did not understand those rules. He did not understand because he was part spoiled child not used to even hearing "no", part child himself, not really willing to grow up yet and partially, just naive in thinking he just did not have to worry about such things like being sued by people out for monetary gain. BUT, I know not everyone agrees. You each have a right to your own opinion. It is done, it is over.

But, whatever you say remember 2 things.

1. The world we live in today would not be the same musically , perhaps even racially without Michael Jackson. It is possible someone else would have stepped in to fill those roles had he not done so, but the point is it was him. It is to him we owe thanks for much of our culture today.

2. He has children and a family who right now are grieving, who did not themselves ask to be thrust into fame. No matter what we think, he was loved by many who are now grieving. Stepping on that is just in poor taste.

Are you actually holding up MJ as some kind of icon for blacks in America? This bizarre freak who did everything in his power to make himself whiter than white? Are we talking about the same person?!! Have you looked at his picture?! He was so ashamed of being black that he turned himself into a fooking sideshow freak!

How could anyone with the slightest modicum of rational thought hold that freak up as any kind of example or role model for a black person???? He was a talented showman - so fooking what? This does not by any means qualify him as a person to be admired for anything but his value as an entertainer. Hell, if Hitler could carry a tune i guess he too would have a place in your heart.

Sorry, but i have no sympathy for paedophiles, and when someone brings such a charge against you, you don't settle out of court - you fight to the death to clear your name, unless of course you're guilty.


Honibaz

BK, too true. why settle out off court when you are innocent. this bloke was a kiddy fiddleler. just read Jimbobs post if he wasn't.

Let's just assume you are as rich as Michael Jackson, and some family accuses you of molestation and you're innocent.

Do you...
A. Go to court and stake your word against the child's? Think of what this would mean: it would be your word against his (what evidence could there be?). So, the child would tell a false story about you touching him, and then you call that child a liar. Good idea, guys, that'll make you look great!

B. Give them the money, of which you have tons to spare, and forgo the process?

The answer is obvious. ANYONE in his shoes would do the same thing. Now, that's not to say he's not guilty. But I wouldn't be so sure that he is; trying to make money out of bullshit lawsuits is not exactly a rare occurrence. But of course, people are disgusted with the possibility of having committed the crime, but not of having falsified the charge against a innocent albeit weird as hell man. (Which I think is worse because that would mean the boy is with some fucked up parents).

As for his skin color, BK displays a surprising amount of ignorance. MJ had vitiligo and lupus, two skin diseases which cause blotches on your skin. Many sufferers of this disease wear make-up to hide it, as going out in public looking diseased is probably worse than looking like a weirdo. I'll concede that it was his fault his face (primarily his nose and chin) looked horrendous due to all the plastic surgery.

That's all I have to say about the guy other than his music was good.

bollocks he is a kiddy fiddler and that is it.

f*ck, I got owned.

[PLAYER57832]

the vast amount of paedophiles seem to be bi.

This is quite wrong, most are attracted to either males or females.

[PLAYER57832]

Are you actually holding up MJ as some kind of icon for blacks in America? This bizarre freak who did everything in his power to make himself whiter than white? Are we talking about the same person?!! Have you looked at his picture?! He was so ashamed of being black that he turned himself into a fooking sideshow freak!

You are old enough to remember that he did break a lot of "color barriors". He is one of the reasons why the idea of the black singer is now a racist stereotype.


Musically, he reformed the business by having more control than any other star. He transformed music videos.

As far as his color goes... Apparently, (according to his doctors) he had a skin condition that made him look white. As for other things (surgaries, etc.), I look first at the fact that he had many, many problems. I look at how he was raised. Not only did he have to battle being a child star, but a black child star. He got adolation and racism both in full measure. Is it any wonder he was screwed up? Could you do better?

How could anyone with the slightest modicum of rational thought hold that freak up as any kind of example or role model for a black person???? He was a talented showman - so fooking what? This does not by any means qualify him as a person to be admired for anything but his value as an entertainer.

The guy died. He deserves to be credited for what he did, which was phenomenal.

Hell, if Hitler could carry a tune i guess he too would have a place in your heart.

that comment is beneath you. Michael Jackson did not kill anyone. I don't believe he intentionally harmed anyone.

Sorry, but i have no sympathy for paedophiles, and when someone brings such a charge against you, you don't settle out of court - you fight to the death to clear your name, unless of course you're guilty.

No, usually people of wealth do not, just like businesses and corporations often pay off people rather than fight, no matter what. It is far easier and cheaper to just pay off idiots than to risk fighting them in court.

His accusers were known frauds.

[Martin Ronne]

He danced like a moron and sang like one too.

Great contribution... I wonder what they'll say when you die?? 'Fat f*ck who sat around at the computer most of the time and achieved nothing noteworthy with his life' ??

I'll have you know I'm a classical organist, pianist, harpsichordist, and composer. I'll be a freshman in a well know conservatory in the fall, with a double major in Organ performance and Composition. I've been in the sunday paper once, on tv twice, (once in Wales) and I was the featured guest Organist on a chicago radio station last summer playing live for about 20 minutes and interviewed for 10. My high school aged choir won 3rd place in the adult chamber devision of the Llangollen International Musical Eisteddfod in Llangollen, Wales.

But do you touch kids and then donate butt loads of money to charities?

No, I guess you have me there Herpes.