[Official] HP Mafia - MVP: Aage - Archive

[degaston]

Rage scum slipped on sempai, says he vote steals lololol

I think he just meant that his vote being stolen means he's town. I agree with that one.

[StorrZerg]

Deg, would you say wing was pro town?

[degaston]

Deg, would you say wing was pro town?

No. Don't ask me why, but I have a strong hunch that he's 3rd party survivor.

[degaston]

Seriously, though, I was back and forth on wing, but overall I saw him as slightly scummy.

[StorrZerg]

Seriously, though, I was back and forth on wing, but overall I saw him as slightly scummy.

And yet he is dead. Why? Most likely because mafia feared him. Because maybe he was on the right track, because he was leading town as 3p survivor. ....

[degaston]

Seriously, though, I was back and forth on wing, but overall I saw him as slightly scummy.

And yet he is dead. Why? Most likely because mafia feared him. Because maybe he was on the right track, because he was leading town as 3p survivor. ....

So why are you still alive?

[StorrZerg]

Seriously, though, I was back and forth on wing, but overall I saw him as slightly scummy.

And yet he is dead. Why? Most likely because mafia feared him. Because maybe he was on the right track, because he was leading town as 3p survivor. ....

So why are you still alive?

Because I claimed my role and they believe it. And i havent lynched mafia yet. Wing didn't claim. The whole point is that he decided to play pro town. And acted upon it like I have decided to play. Honestly question why he died and look at how he played. He was super active l, vocal, and discussion driven. He didn't drop a hint of what he was.

If you don't like my explanation that's fine, I'm game to hear why you think he died.

[degaston]

Because I claimed my role and they believe it. And i havent lynched mafia yet. Wing didn't claim. The whole point is that he decided to play pro town. And acted upon it like I have decided to play. Honestly question why he died and look at how he played. He was super active l, vocal, and discussion driven. He didn't drop a hint of what he was.

If you don't like my explanation that's fine, I'm game to hear why you think he died.

Maybe it's because you're scum?
Maybe it's because they think you might be lynched anyway?
Or that they realize you can be helpful to them if they get close to lylo?
I'd agree that your not helping to lynch scum could be a part of it.

I don't think this is really helping your case, though, and I'm not sure why we are having this conversation.

[StorrZerg]

So deg, we have spent several pages going back and forth. Wanna turn that attention to something else or keep going at it like sex crazed teenagers?
And the big reason your Aage case isn't going to get any traction is because its largely based on me.

Honestly, at this point i've garnered enough towns and mafia to not have me lynched for a few days most likely. Specially if town power roles keep turning up results. (THANKS DEG!)

[degaston]

@deg, majority of town has decided to not lynch me twice, along with many dead towns not favoring me as scum. Is his behavior really that strange? Sure he might be to bold knowing what I say is true, and that's why he sticks up for me.

Deg have you ever town read someone for being wrong about a lynch?

Deg, would you say wing was pro town?

So deg, we have spent several pages going back and forth. Wanna turn that attention to something else or keep going at it like sex crazed teenagers?

I don't know, are you going to stop asking me random questions out of the blue? I suppose it's my fault for not ignoring them.

(THANKS DEG!)

You're welcome. Nothing against you personally. If the town can continue to find scum to lynch, then I'm happy.

[StorrZerg]

They are not random questions. They have a deliberate purpose.

Also can you please just throw out why you think wing died. that would be lovely.

[degaston]

They are not random questions. They have a deliberate purpose.

Also can you please just throw out why you think wing died. that would be lovely.

Well, since you asked so nicely...

First, I've never played as scum, so I don't really know how they decide who to target. I don't think Wing would have been my target if I was scum. Yes, he was active, but his signal to noise ratio seemed kind of low to me, which is why I was leaning scum for him. I wouldn't be surprised that he did not want to lynch you. If we start lynching 3rd party players, then he could be in trouble if he's forced to claim. I don't see a whole lot in his posts that really presses anyone hard, but I did notice his last message:

Aage - I get that you're being efficient with your time of log in close the deadline, but how does that help town with building a case?

It doesn't, but I'm posting nonetheless since I haven't been home since yesterday morning.

Look at this people. A polite admittance of unhelpful behaviour. That earns benefit of the doubt. There is never any need to start arguing that not logging in till the deadline is by some measure the most town play one can make. Just admit that its not helpful and move on. Saves everyone so much time.

Lol Storr - Are you really claiming that you would never claim 3rd party whilst town just to mess about with Scum? Not even once in 10,000 games?

So he mentions both you and aage in not the greatest light, and then suddenly he's dead that night?
Interesting.

[StorrZerg]

you never playing as scum explains so much with your logic lol

[Streaker]

@ deg,thanks for the breakdown,can't say I agree on all your posts, I have not posted much because I cannot see the reason why everyone wants a quick hanging but as long it not my friends Harry and Hermonie I guess I could agree with it,just make sure we have the right one' we lost tomany town already

How can you still doubt Rage isn't scum? A fake claim can only carry you that far, even Dumbledore. Your reason for not posting is terrible. How about you make a case, instead of complaining the loss of those townies?

I plan to vote Rag, when we are ready to lynch him, but will not post a vote until we are ready. I wouldn't mind starting it early though (how about Wednesday night at the witching hour?) Then we would be able to start day 4 on Sunday. Just a thought!

What's up with all this delay on the actual vote? I mean discussion is great, but you can't say 'we don't want a quick hanging', but end up not discussing anything else at all. You either vote and get the day over with, or discuss.

Re reading rage has shown that he has persistently pushed on charm.
Also he has defended pix(who is MIA) on a number of occasions before his claim of Hermione.
On this note pix getting to L-1 and not getting hammered combined with rages defense of him is making me think pix has likely fakeclaimed.

Ur going after the claimed doc? Really? I don't see your point about not being hammered. He didn't get hammered because he claimed friggin Hermione, TOWN DOC.
The one point you could make is that mafia presumably would have NK'd the doc by now, but even that is WIFOM.
Most concerning is that Pix hasn't made a single post on D3, and only a few D2. Didn't count though, and might have missed a post by Pix on D3 but still.

Not going to defend myself anymore from dd as his case=weak sauce.
Bandwagoning is necessary in a game this size and i will continue to do so.
Or will i be lynched tomorrow for jumping on the rage wagon?
I have some thoughts but i would like rage to tell us what mets showed as when investigated.
Was he town or non-town?

This also stands out from End: there's a difference between wagoning and voting, but it's inevitable in this size game yes. But why are you so persistant on getting the results of that investigation? You know it's more then likely a fake claim. It would add nothing. Also as Mets is dead, and we know his allignment, Rage would just claim town. What are you trying to accomplish with that question?

[Endgame422]

The question about mets was intended to throw some light on you streaker.
I was misunderstanding your power honestly.
For some reason i thought his "lumos" read on mets would have given him someone elses read and perhaps he would let something slip trying to validate his story.
Honestly i failed on this one.
And the hammer point was this: If i were scum and pix claimed doc i would have hammered him in a second. That would have cost town a doc and with such a big case against him they likely could have gotten away with it.
Especially with a scum vote theif involved i just feel like scum would have hammered pix if he is indeed Hermione.
And again rage defending pix BEFORE the claim(when he was pushing no lynch) makes no sense unless they are both scum?
Why would scum buddy with the most suspicious player at the time?
If rage flips a weak/moderate scum role i will definetly think that he was protecting a more important scum role.
VOTE RAGE

[dd515087]

The question about mets was intended to throw some light on you streaker.
I was misunderstanding your power honestly.
For some reason i thought his "lumos" read on mets would have given him someone elses read and perhaps he would let something slip trying to validate his story.
Honestly i failed on this one.
And the hammer point was this: If i were scum and pix claimed doc i would have hammered him in a second. That would have cost town a doc and with such a big case against him they likely could have gotten away with it.
Especially with a scum vote theif involved i just feel like scum would have hammered pix if he is indeed Hermione.
And again rage defending pix BEFORE the claim(when he was pushing no lynch) makes no sense unless they are both scum?
Why would scum buddy with the most suspicious player at the time?
If rage flips a weak/moderate scum role i will definetly think that he was protecting a more important scum role.
VOTE RAGE

If you, or any scum, hammered him after the claim you would be sacrificing yourself as we would lynch you the next day, so no any scum player would not actually do that. Also, scum could not have been on to cast said vote. Also, why can't scum defend non-scum? Just because they want to win and get rid of scum doesn't mean that letting each and every possible lynch happen is the best way to do it. You have to pretend to be town. He could buddy with the most suspicious player in case that player gets lynched, flips town, so he can say, "told you so" and get town cred. Obviously after Pixar's strong claim we didn't lynch him so that didn't happen.

[madmitch]

Fine since everyone wants a quick hanging I am in VOTE RAGE

[StorrZerg]

unvote

you cant say that when several people have expressed other wise

[degaston]

I have Ragian at L-1 now, so if anyone has anything to say, they should get it out.

you never playing as scum explains so much with your logic lol

That was simply amazing the way you, with one small comment, blew a hole right through all of my arguments. How can I possibly refute it? A lot of people might waste time trying to dismantle a comment point by point, to show how the conclusion wasn't supported by the facts. But that's so tedious. You managed to cut through all the bullshit, and get right to the essence of the matter with a great economy of words. I bow to your obvious logical superiority. Well done, sir!

[degaston]

EBWOP - My comment was sitting there for a while before I posted, so it's L-2 now.

[StorrZerg]

Its not meaning to destroy your case, it just helps to get your perspective on the way things are going. Why you don't understand why wing died, why you can't see how he was playing pro town. Your read of him being slightly scummy isn't justified because he flipped 3rd party either. Facts are a clear anti town faction wanted him dead, and killed him. Hence they must have saw him as a threat. Therefor, just because he flipped 3rd party, doesn't mean we go and dismiss wing, his reads etc. Even if he didn't care about his reads, and it was all bs, the mafia still felt his reads struck a cord.

Actually to this point isn't just addressed at you, but the rest of the game. hardly any talk was done on why wing died, and because of that i think its because he was sniffing about mafia. I would think if mafia killed him to frame someone, they would have been a bit more vocal today about who he was looking to lynch.

[degaston]

So why do you ask me to make your case for you instead of presenting it yourself? I don't have time to look through his posts right now. Who was Wing going after? Why do you think he was killed?

[StorrZerg]

It's more about starting fresh discussion on something.

And do you want me to give my opinion first and take the lead on why he died? Then complain as half of the town sheep's me? Or do you want others talking about it?

[degaston]

Why are you, the experienced player, asking me, the new guy who fails logic, what you should do?

[StorrZerg]

Why are you, the experienced player, asking me, the new guy who fails logic, what you should do?

Because you won't listen to what I bring up? Duh?