The Passion of Owenshooter

[Qwert]

one thing what i hate most,its that in some issue with Mods, every mod say same. Similar situation like in map foundry,where one CA demand one thing,and all other CA and Foundry foreman jump in defence of these .

Qwert, are you referring to the past or the present? If you're referring to the present, then what you said is 100% wrong. In fact no more than a week ago I found myself in disagreement with one of my CAs and I clearly (but respectfully) said him that he was wrong.
Sorry for this small off topic digression, but since that post could be referred to me I think it's correct to say the truth.

Now, I can't turn off my blue color while posting, but even if it's true I'm a CA, I'm also a CC user like everyone else. So, let me say that I personally don't agree with every single aspect of the current escalating system on CC and even though I know that owenshooter doesn't like the foundry so much, on the contrary I find him one of the most fun users on CC (although I don't totally agree with his style), and in this case I believe that 3 months isn't a "fair punishment". I have never given more than an official warning to a user, because in 99% of cases I think that, in a world where (luckily) the people have the freedom to say what they think, words make much more than a ban.

But I'm just a mapmaker and a CA, and my role here is not to decide how the system should work. For what I can see the problem with owen is that he has a long list of previous records, so the 3 months ban is the next step in this case.
Said that, let me escape from the "GD hell" and go back to my small, but comfortable, world of maps.

Nobodies

I refere to past, you are still new in map foundry,and i dont know what its your plans to improve these place, maybe you can create atmosphere who bring back old map makers, or you will continue to work same like other Foundry foremans, and dont change nothing, these is what will see in near future.

[natty dread]

I still don't think you understand what I actually wrote because there's much logic in it.

No, there isn't. There's absolutely no sense or logic whatsoever in it... it's the sort of unintelligible drivel you hear from a drunken crazy person in a homeless shelter at 4 am... Flying salami people control the president! Everyone has a navel but where did the milk and eggs I have never farted in my life. Hail satan! Uuuuuurgh!!

Let's analyze it for a bit, shall we?

The poll isn't very fair because this thread is full of owen's clanmates who will just automatically vote yes because he's in their clan!

So.. your first assertion is that the poll is unfair because Owen's clanmates are able to vote in the poll. Are Owen's clanmates not part of CC? Am I somehow preventing anyone except Owen's clanmates from voting in the poll? No and no. Are Owen's clanmates a majority on this forum? Should their opinion be discounted only because they are Owen's clanmates? Again: No to both. From this we can conclude that your assertion actually makes no sense whatsoever and should be discounted as the rambling brain fart it is.

Don't you think it's hypocritical that you complain about moderators sticking up for each other when that's what you're doing?

Your second assertion rests upon the first one. The BpB is in no way forcing their members to stick up for Owen. No one in BpB is reprimanded if they come in and say they think Owen sucks balls. Therefore, this second brain fart makes even less sense than the first one.

If Owen wasn't in your clan I'm sure a lot of you wouldn't be so vocal in his defense!!

Your third assumption is just a continuation of the same idiocy and has no basis on reality. You can't offer any evidence to back it up, it isn't based on any kind of logical deduction. In fact, it's more of a logical fallacy. You're attempting to discount the opinion of people who disagree with you by appealing to an unfounded assumption about the reasons for why those people hold those opinions.

From all this we can conclude: the post you wrote makes no logical sense in any way. Pointing out the utter stupidity of your statements is actually a huge favour to you, so you'll know not to let such horribly dimwitted garbage fly out of your mouth ever again. You don't want to appear stupid, do you? Of course you don't.

[Robinette]

I'm surprised the poll isn't as lopsided as some would suggest.

Considering how many people were mad at him for being right about the insom thing,
i really expected to see the voting reflect a 60% majority against owen.



Poor owen, locked up again... this time for 90 days...

an unrelenting intense passion and desire to improve CC,
it's almost like he's CC's version of Anna Hazare



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[jefjef]

Considering how many people were mad at him for being right about the insom thing

Seriously?

See that's the issue. It isn't about being right. Or wrong. It's the how. Not all that difficult to understand. Except for BpB.

[natty dread]

Considering how many people were mad at him for being right about the insom thing

Seriously?

See that's the issue. It isn't about being right. Or wrong. It's the how. Not all that difficult to understand. Except for BpB.

Reported for flaming.

Oh and baiting too. And trolling.

[JoshyBoy]

The poll is poorly worded. A better version of the poll would be "Was a three month ban a suitable punishment for owenshooter's "violation" of the rules?"

[Army of GOD]

Also, all of you who are bitching, trust me, nothing is gonna happen.

I remember when I got my one month ban and people in SC were pissed off and thread-making, and the mods just kind of let it died. owen should not have been banned for this, but there's nothing you can actually do to change anything. This isn't like baseball or basketball where you argue a call not to get the call reversed but to win the next call.

This is just pointless.

[Leehar]

The poll is poorly worded. A better version of the poll would be "Was a three month ban a suitable punishment for owenshooter's "violation" of the rules?"

But whats so difficult to understand about that? We all know that owen was always skating on thin ice with his infraction level, so it was assumed that whatever his next minor would be, it'd come with a hefty punishment?
You either think that any discipline of owen is wrong (as the bandits seemingly claim), that his actions were nowhere close to being spamming/trolling, or that the escalating system is as fault with his lengthy time spans for relatively innocuous crimes, as reasons for calling the ban unfair, which is still a relatively large band...

[Agent 86]

Okay, the truth is I really like the Bandits and what they do..I have some really good real life friends in the Bandits. They have been one of the clans to really offer CC something and have had a hard time from the mods agreed.

This has come about because Owen went over the top and challenged the CC team which he didn't need to do. The Summer Bash is a very good idea and many are working behind the scenes for it's success. I respect Owen and what he brings to this site and enjoy his wit, but this time I don't agree and he shouldn't have tried to derail the thread for the summer bash.

From my understanding he has received the ban from other infractions in the past ( yes they are debatable too ) which has lead to this. I have to agree with the mods on this one, how far can you push before the line is broken, sorry Owen out of line..as to my post ;

Agent 86 with Jace22

Only thing is I wear my clan banner..involved in warfare at the moment and don't want to change. I know you have this in this rules but is this going to be enforced, I would hate to win some premium for my friend only to lose it because of this rule.

As you can see I've changed my avatar and Jace will comply with your rules..so can I ask for an exemption?

Still sharing the warmth and thanks for your fantastic offer

86

P.S. Shut up Owen

I did ask him to shut up on this occasion, which I've never done before

Peace out 86

[thegreekdog]

I'm with BoganGod and Woodruff on this one (who would have foreseen that sentence).

Was owenshooter's ban justified? Sure. I believe he was being intentionally annoying. And clearly it has cause some ruination to parts of the website (depending on what's definition of "ruin" - for example, Manbungalow things it doesn't matter; some have spent a whole lot of time and energy in defending owenshooter's actions).

Was the length justified? This is probably a more difficult question and what is really the heart of the matter. If owenshooter was banned for 24 hours, we wouldn't have this awesome thread.

And just for FYI sake, there has been at least two public discussions of the escalating system since I was a moderator; generally those threads are either ignored right away or ignored later. Perhaps this incident will re-engage people.

[Leehar]

And just for FYI sake, there has been at least two public discussions of the escalating system since I was a moderator; generally those threads are either ignored right away or ignored later. Perhaps this incident will re-engage people.

That was the direction I was hoping to come out of this, but it doesn't seem to be somewhere many people want to go

[jbrettlip]

I posted thoughts on escalating system and didn't want to start a thread elsewhere, because apparently posting the same things in multiple places is enough to get a ban.

[thegreekdog]

I posted thoughts on escalating system and didn't want to start a thread elsewhere, because apparently posting the same things in multiple places is enough to get a ban.

I can do it if that makes you feel better.

[TheSaxlad]

Considering how many people were mad at him for being right about the insom thing

Seriously?

See that's the issue. It isn't about being right. Or wrong. It's the how. Not all that difficult to understand. Except for BpB.

Reported for flaming.

Oh and baiting too. And trolling.

Seriously natty? Perhaps the wording wasn't the best and I know you've said before that each BPB member is not forced to support owen, so I'm not having that argument, but from the way this thread is going it does look like the BPB vs most people.

Gillipig brought up some points and what happened? you shot him down and got so close to flaming him I nearly reported it. What jefjef has pointed out here is not flaming, or trolling or baiting. Its how he see's it and quite frankly (and I can assure everyone this DOES NOT happen everyday) I agree with him.

It isn't about being right or being wrong or having a right and wrong opinion it is about the way that opinion is put forward, which (funnily enough I keep saying) is why Owen was banned.

I also apologise to jefjef for agreeing with him.

[jbrettlip]

If this thread seems like it is BpB against everyone else, you should re read it. But of course a few of us are vocal about our support. I have been his friend since we were 14 and 15! Other people in our clan know him in real life too. But there isn't a "go troll the thread with support" compulsion in our clan.

[TheSaxlad]

If this thread seems like it is BpB against everyone else, you should re read it. But of course a few of us are vocal about our support. I have been his friend since we were 14 and 15! Other people in our clan know him in real life too. But there isn't a "go troll the thread with support" compulsion in our clan.

I never said there was. Im sure many people agree with the BpB. It just seems the BpB are being the MOST vocal in Owens defence. I don't blame you at all for that.

[natty dread]

I never knew what Owen really meant when he spoke of the Jr. Mint Mod Squad. I do know.

Seriously natty? Perhaps the wording wasn't the best and I know you've said before that each BPB member is not forced to support owen, so I'm not having that argument, but from the way this thread is going it does look like the BPB vs most people.

BpB vs most people, really? So I guess all the 48 people who voted that Owen's ban is unfair are multies of the BpB?

Gillipig brought up some points and what happened? you shot him down and got so close to flaming him I nearly reported it.

Ha! You're making me laugh! Hear me laugh now: Ha, ha ha.

1) Gillipig didn't bring up points, he brought up a stupid, illogical argument. I pointed that out, he kept arguing that his argument was logical and since he wouldn't shut up about it, I eventually told him exactly what was wrong with his premise. And now you're accusing me of flaming.

2) I never called Gillipig any names or attacked him personally. It's very much different to call someone stupid than to say that someone is making a stupid argument. The former is flaming, the latter is simply debate. Frankly it's really concerning to me that a member of Team CC is unaware of this distinction.

[Robinette]

I'm surprised the poll isn't as lopsided as some would suggest.

Considering how many people were mad at him [edit]over[/edit] the insom thing,
i really expected to see the voting reflect a 60% majority against owen. <-- AND THIS IS MY POINT



Poor owen, locked up again... this time for 90 days...

an unrelenting intense passion and desire to improve CC,
it's almost like he's CC's version of Anna Hazare



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[Woodruff]

Considering how many people were mad at him for being right about the insom thing

Seriously?

See that's the issue. It isn't about being right. Or wrong. It's the how. Not all that difficult to understand. Except for BpB.

Reported for flaming.
Oh and baiting too. And trolling.

jefjef can be an ass and I rarely agree with him, but he's done nothing of the sort here. I'm not sure the same can be said for you in this instance.

[Crazyirishman]

Oh well look, this thread is making all sorts of users agree when they nomally dont, hellenicanine with with uncle bogan and woody and woody with jefjef are just a couple. nice job bringing people together natty. That's one of the things (black) Jesus wanted for his people.

[Gillipig]

Looks pretty close in the polls. 53% yes 47% no I'd call it a draw. No consensus on that he was wrongly banned! Good !

[natty dread]

Looks pretty close in the polls. 53% yes 47% no I'd call it a draw. No consensus on that he was wrongly banned! Good !

You can call a pigeon's asshole a tuna sandwich... either way the majority still feels he was wrongly banned, and trying to twist it into something else is not going to change the facts.

53 is a bigger number than 47. It is more. It is not equal. This is elementary stuff, Gillipig.

jefjef can be an ass and I rarely agree with him, but he's done nothing of the sort here. I'm not sure the same can be said for you in this instance.

Oh shut up, Sheldon.

[Leehar]

I thought it'd be considered apt since people do seem fond of putting him into the role of savior of CC-kind

I'm surprised the poll isn't as lopsided as some would suggest.

Considering how many people were mad at him [edit]over[/edit] the insom thing,
i really expected to see the voting reflect a 60% majority against owen. <-- AND THIS IS MY POINT



Poor owen, locked up again... this time for 90 days...

an unrelenting intense passion and desire to improve CC,
it's almost like he's CC's version of Anna Hazare



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[TheSaxlad]

I never knew what Owen really meant when he spoke of the Jr. Mint Mod Squad. I do know.

Seriously natty? Perhaps the wording wasn't the best and I know you've said before that each BPB member is not forced to support owen, so I'm not having that argument, but from the way this thread is going it does look like the BPB vs most people.

BpB vs most people, really? So I guess all the 48 people who voted that Owen's ban is unfair are multies of the BpB?

Gillipig brought up some points and what happened? you shot him down and got so close to flaming him I nearly reported it.

Ha! You're making me laugh! Hear me laugh now: Ha, ha ha.

1) Gillipig didn't bring up points, he brought up a stupid, illogical argument. I pointed that out, he kept arguing that his argument was logical and since he wouldn't shut up about it, I eventually told him exactly what was wrong with his premise. And now you're accusing me of flaming.

2) I never called Gillipig any names or attacked him personally. It's very much different to call someone stupid than to say that someone is making a stupid argument. The former is flaming, the latter is simply debate. Frankly it's really concerning to me that a member of Team CC is unaware of this distinction.

Firstly I NEVER accused you of Flaming. maybe I got Baiting mixed with flaming. Anyway my statement reads "You got SO CLOSE to flaming." Next time please read the statement BEFORE you accuse me of something.

Plus if you had read my post DIRECTLY before yours you would see that I'm calling it how I see it. Yes fine people voting in the poll that Owens ban was unfair are not all BpB. But as I have clarified before give me a non-BpB member who has been vocal in this thread in Owens defence.

I have nothing against the BpB, I am calling it how I see it. And in fact the agressive way you answer people's post natty, is not conducive to anything. As a former mod you should know better than that.

Plus you managed to pick everything in that statement apart without contesting the conclusion of it.

[natty dread]

Firstly I NEVER accused you of Flaming. maybe I got Baiting mixed with flaming. Anyway my statement reads "You got SO CLOSE to flaming." Next time please read the statement BEFORE you accuse me of something.

It either is flaming or is not. There's no such thing as "nearly flaming" and "almost reported". As a member of Team CC you should be aware of how these things work.

Furthermore, as a member of Team CC, you need to be twice as careful as any normal member when it comes to even implying that someone is breaking the rules. Like it or not, when you post on the forums, you're posting as a Team CC member, and your words are given more weight. You need to show that you can handle that responsibility.

Also, using capital letters for emphasis is bad forum etiquette.

Plus if you had read my post DIRECTLY before yours you would see that I'm calling it how I see it. Yes fine people voting in the poll that Owens ban was unfair are not all BpB. But as I have clarified before give me a non-BpB member who has been vocal in this thread in Owens defence.

Ah, so now you are twisting words again, trying to regain some ground after being called out for your foolishness. Frankly it's kind of embarrassing to watch.

Lots of people consider Owen's ban to be unfair, that's all there is to it. It doesn't matter how vocal they are or are not. This is not a shouting contest. But since you asked, how about actually reading this thread through and noticing that there are several non-BpB members who can be considered "vocal" in their defense of Owen. Dibbun, Eddie2, JoshyBoy, CrazyIrishman, lovo... etc.

How does it feel, constantly finding your feet from your mouth?