ASoIaF Mafia Prologue (10/13) - D3: The Bloody Winter Rose

[Fircoal]

Lynch Me!

With pleasure.

[Minister Masket]

care to elaborate, by my reckoning there have been no mod slips.

The VC is still pretty screwy, not sure if some of it is role related or not - can we have some clarification?

What exactly do you mean? If you mean not being allowed to state your victory conditions... Then yes, that is not allowed. You may ambiguously state them, but you can't give out all the details. So, example:

Mod thought VC meant victory conditions, when it means Vote Count. That was basically it.

Time to claim Minister.

Fair doos.

http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/tywin-lan ... hrones.jpg

Not only am I a JOAT, but with my son Jamie we can join any faction and support them.
In other news, Strike Wolf is Jaime.

So if you want your faction to win, get us on your side basically. ^^

[Minister Masket]

Forgot image code. Whoops.

[Iron Butterfly]

I'm sure strike wolf is just thrilled you blew his cover.

[Minister Masket]

I'm sure strike wolf is just thrilled you blew his cover.

Hey, you asked me to claim. So technically he should blame you.

Also he didn't know who I was so this was a good of a chance as any to clear that up.

[Iron Butterfly]

I'm sure strike wolf is just thrilled you blew his cover.

Hey, you asked me to claim. So technically he should blame you.

Also he didn't know who I was so this was a good of a chance as any to clear that up.

I did ask you to claim. If it make you feel better to blame me for breaking strikewolfs cover I am more then happy to except responsibility. What others see and choose to believe is up to them anyway.

unvote MM

[strike wolf]

Well...I had honestly taken the fact that you knew who you were aligned with to mean you were not a Lannister (I guess being my lord father, you know more than I). It is true I am Jaime Lannister. It is also true that I have no incentive to favor any faction, other than mine own family.

[The Weird One]

unvote ...it is interesting that the head of the faction knows the rest...makes it hella hard for the rest, though.

[kgb007]

Well...I had honestly taken the fact that you knew who you were aligned with to mean you were not a Lannister (I guess being my lord father, you know more than I). It is true I am Jaime Lannister. It is also true that I have no incentive to favor any faction, other than mine own family.

did i miss MM's post where he knew who he was aligned with?

[spiesr]

Well...I had honestly taken the fact that you knew who you were aligned with to mean you were not a Lannister (I guess being my lord father, you know more than I). It is true I am Jaime Lannister. It is also true that I have no incentive to favor any faction, other than mine own family.

did i miss MM's post where he knew who he was aligned with?

Here you go:

I would like to know why MM automatically assumes those in other factions know each other.

Because I know the other guy in my faction and it makes sense to assume it's the same for the others.

[Iron Butterfly]

The question arises what criteria constitutes we lynch someone if every claim/role is beneficial to at least one faction?

[Nebuchadnezer]

care to elaborate, by my reckoning there have been no mod slips.

The VC is still pretty screwy, not sure if some of it is role related or not - can we have some clarification?

What exactly do you mean? If you mean not being allowed to state your victory conditions... Then yes, that is not allowed. You may ambiguously state them, but you can't give out all the details. So, example:

Mod thought VC meant victory conditions, when it means Vote Count. That was basically it.

Time to claim Minister.

Fair doos.

http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/tywin-lan ... hrones.jpg

Not only am I a JOAT, but with my son Jamie we can join any faction and support them.
In other news, Strike Wolf is Jaime.

So if you want your faction to win, get us on your side basically. ^^

Lol...so, you're hoping that each faction decides to NOT kill you, in the hopes that you'll join their side? When in reality, neither faction can count on you due to your erratic play, including your vindictive outing of your son. Also, when do you have to make this decision? And how will factions "get you to their side"?

So, with you two as third parties, there are 11 other players. What do you think the faction break down is out of the other 11? Do you think either faction can take the chance that you tip the scales dramatically against them? Which leads me back to my earlier post...

So how many groups/alignments are in this game?
Obviously at least two. However, from what I read from the GoT wiki, the story seems quite complex with many different groups/alignments.

Too bloody right mate. Understatement of the century right here.
I've read all the books so am happy to help out if anyone wants an info dump on the source.

On this subject in particular, we probably have King's Court, the Starks and Daenerys as 3 factions, with maybe a couple from the Wall lobbed in there too. Mafia's likely headed up by Cersei or her son Joffrey (AKA: evil git)

As Wolf has mentioned, the scenario is indeed based on Robert's Rebellion, so Joffrey himself is not born. As far as anything/everything else... Well, I think you have enough clues and ideas around you to figure a thing or two.

Uhh...how did Wolf know that this was based on Robert's Rebellion?
And I just went over the opening scene again, IE: more like a factions game than a traditional mafia. Fair doos!

13 characters then....my guesses are:
1) Robert
2) Ned Stark
3) Cersei Lannister
4) Mad King whatshisface
5) His son whatshisface
6) Tywin Lannister
7) Another Lannister - likely Jamie.
Dorne bloke
9) Martell bloke
10) Some guy from the Wall.
11) Ned's sister whatsherface
12) Stannis
13) An Other (I wish)

Okay....maybe I read the books months ago and maybe some of the names escape me. =L

I don't see why someone from the wall would be in here, neither would an "other." If you just wiki it, I come up with:

1. Rheagar Targaryen
2. Robert Baratheon
3. King Aerys II
4. Eddard Stark
5. Jon Arryn
6. Jaime Lannister
7. Mace Tyrell
8. Jon Connington
9. Hoster Tully
10. Grand Master Pycelle
11. Varys
12. Tywin Lannister
13. Some other minor house (Frey, Greyjoy)

(I could see only one character of the small council, so maybe Frey and Greyjoy are both in.)

I see the blue as "rebellion", red as "loyalists", green as "will choose" and orange as "survivor." I could also see only a few chosen people to be masoned...possibly Robert/Eddard and/or Rhaegar/King Aerys.

Anyway you put it, it will be interesting to see how the major and minor victories play out.

While I find it hard to believe that the Rebels and the Loyalists are evenly matched, because that means the 3rd parties decide this game, I think I may be pretty close. Now given that the "leaders" of these factions are the only ones to know who is in their faction, the only thing keeping people in line is the fear that their faction is smaller.

I'd like to hear other thoughts on this...I think we should generate a lot of discussion on this...

[kgb007]

maybe it's bc i don't know the flavor all that well or maybe it's bc i've never played with factions before but..

I would like to know why MM automatically assumes those in other factions know each other.

Because I know the other guy in my faction and it makes sense to assume it's the same for the others.

why does it make sense to assume the leaders of the factions are the only ones to know their allies?

Based on Neb's character breakdown, there are 4 rebels, 4 loyalists, 3 "who will choose" and 2 "survivors", isn't it possible that bc MM and SW aren't aligned in the beginning that MM is wrong in his assumption and the leaders of the factions aren't aware who else is aligned with them?

MM basically confirmed there's only 2 "who will choose", himself and SW

It is also true that I have no incentive to favor any faction, other than mine own family.

and so I understood SW's post to mean he is only interested in the Lannister name "surviving" so perhaps instead of the 4/4/3/2 character breakdown, maybe it's something like 6/5/2 - loyalists/rebels/survivors aka who will choose - i'm giving the edge in numbers to the loyalists bc the ruling party usually outnumber the uprising right?? but it could be the other way around

Not only am I a JOAT, but with my son Jamie we can join any faction and support them.
In other news, Strike Wolf is Jaime.

So if you want your faction to win, get us on your side basically. ^^

Lol...so, you're hoping that each faction decides to NOT kill you, in the hopes that you'll join their side? When in reality, neither faction can count on you due to your erratic play, including your vindictive outing of your son. Also, when do you have to make this decision? And how will factions "get you to their side"?

I'm also wondering about the last two ?'s Neb posed above

[spiesr]

The question arises what criteria constitutes we lynch someone if every claim/role is beneficial to at least one faction?

Presumably the faction or coalition of factions the commands the majority vote will attempt to lynch their enemies. Obviously not everyone within this group will know the identity of everyone else in that group, so it stands to reason that those in the minority factions will in some manner pretend to be in the majority group so to attempt to avoid their lynch. So you know, just like regular mafia in many regards. The biggest difference will probably stem from different members of the coalition having differing priorities.

[The Weird One]

The question arises what criteria constitutes we lynch someone if every claim/role is beneficial to at least one faction?

Presumably the faction or coalition of factions the commands the majority vote will attempt to lynch their enemies. Obviously not everyone within this group will know the identity of everyone else in that group, so it stands to reason that those in the minority factions will in some manner pretend to be in the majority group so to attempt to avoid their lynch. So you know, just like regular mafia in many regards. The biggest difference will probably stem from different members of the coalition having differing priorities.

That and not knowing where your faction stands on the totem pole of power.

[safariguy5]

I'm a bit confused by the reaction here, did strike know that MM was aligned with him? I would think this faction would be a mason thing, not a one-way knowledge arrangement.

[The Weird One]

I'm a bit confused by the reaction here, did strike know that MM was aligned with him? I would think this faction would be a mason thing, not a one-way knowledge arrangement.

Gentlemen, I give you another faction leader...or an independent on his own...not sure if the latter exists in this game, though. [never played factions, before, that I can remember]

[jonty125]

Hmmm, survivor with JOAT powers, and a buddy, but not masoned. Normally survivors don't last very long round here but this game is unique unvote

@MM, VC can mean Victory Condition or Vote Count

[Iron Butterfly]

Hmmm, survivor with JOAT powers, and a buddy, but not masoned. Normally survivors don't last very long round here but this game is unique unvote

@MM, VC can mean Victory Condition or Vote Count

It would not be the first game we have played where a survivor faction has existed that is for the most part neutral in regards to who wins.

If you are third party AND a JOAT, who's mission is to survive, what use would your JOAT powers be other then to help your own faction?

[strike wolf]

Hmmm, survivor with JOAT powers, and a buddy, but not masoned. Normally survivors don't last very long round here but this game is unique unvote

@MM, VC can mean Victory Condition or Vote Count

Usually Survivors don't last very long because their claims are in doubt and 3rd party is an easy convenient fake claim for mafia. That doesn't apply here. Both Jaime and Tywin Lannister are very strong claims.

care to elaborate, by my reckoning there have been no mod slips.

The VC is still pretty screwy, not sure if some of it is role related or not - can we have some clarification?

What exactly do you mean? If you mean not being allowed to state your victory conditions... Then yes, that is not allowed. You may ambiguously state them, but you can't give out all the details. So, example:

Mod thought VC meant victory conditions, when it means Vote Count. That was basically it.

Time to claim Minister.

Fair doos.

http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/tywin-lan ... hrones.jpg

Not only am I a JOAT, but with my son Jamie we can join any faction and support them.
In other news, Strike Wolf is Jaime.

So if you want your faction to win, get us on your side basically. ^^

Lol...so, you're hoping that each faction decides to NOT kill you, in the hopes that you'll join their side? When in reality, neither faction can count on you due to your erratic play, including your vindictive outing of your son. Also, when do you have to make this decision? And how will factions "get you to their side"?

So, with you two as third parties, there are 11 other players. What do you think the faction break down is out of the other 11? Do you think either faction can take the chance that you tip the scales dramatically against them? Which leads me back to my earlier post...

Could he have kept me out of his claim? Quite likely but it's done nothing else to say there. As far as why should they not kill us? Well first of all mafia or whichever faction most closely resembles mafia won't waste kills on potential allies when there's enemies at hand and no faction can afford to lynch us when that only delays them losing to their opposing faction at best. Any case against either of us would be a waste of time because it's easy for anyone of any faction to jump on a third party bandwagon and blend in.

Furthermore, we don't wish any of you harm as long as you don't come after us so why stir the hornet's nest? We'll contribute. Having the game stall out on multiple no lynches doesn't help us any more than it helps any other faction.

[safariguy5]

Okay, but if we have multiple no lynches, then following your logic strike, the "mafia" faction would not target you two because of your low threat. They would target other factions which would mean that it would be beneficial for your faction as it would increase the power disparity. Thus, more no lynches probably means you would side with the "mafia" faction towards endgame.

[strike wolf]

Okay, but if we have multiple no lynches, then following your logic strike, the "mafia" faction would not target you two because of your low threat. They would target other factions which would mean that it would be beneficial for your faction as it would increase the power disparity. Thus, more no lynches probably means you would side with the "mafia" faction towards endgame.

I don't follow. I'm saying that multiple no lynches don't favor us. The longer the game drags on the more likely some overzealous vig/killer or town in general decides we're becoming a threat.

[nagerous]

Hmmm, survivor with JOAT powers, and a buddy, but not masoned. Normally survivors don't last very long round here but this game is unique unvote

@MM, VC can mean Victory Condition or Vote Count

It would not be the first game we have played where a survivor faction has existed that is for the most part neutral in regards to who wins.

If you are third party AND a JOAT, who's mission is to survive, what use would your JOAT powers be other then to help your own faction?

I'm on the belief that whilst they always pay their debts we can never trust a Lannister, and keeping him alive this will come to bite you in the bum, doubting the fact that they are completely innocent as Masket claims. Surviving is probably a lesser victory. Tywin's ultimate goal is most likely to gain the throne and they will not stop until this is achieved. Saying that he might be better alive a little while to see if he provides information on the true villains of the piece, the Taegaryans. Jamie Lannister, the man who pushed a defenceless kid out of a high window might be a better place to start today.

[Fircoal]

Hmmm, survivor with JOAT powers, and a buddy, but not masoned. Normally survivors don't last very long round here but this game is unique unvote

@MM, VC can mean Victory Condition or Vote Count

It would not be the first game we have played where a survivor faction has existed that is for the most part neutral in regards to who wins.

If you are third party AND a JOAT, who's mission is to survive, what use would your JOAT powers be other then to help your own faction?

I'm on the belief that whilst they always pay their debts we can never trust a Lannister, and keeping him alive this will come to bite you in the bum, doubting the fact that they are completely innocent as Masket claims. Surviving is probably a lesser victory. Tywin's ultimate goal is most likely to gain the throne and they will not stop until this is achieved. Saying that he might be better alive a little while to see if he provides information on the true villains of the piece, the Taegaryans. Jamie Lannister, the man who pushed a defenceless kid out of a high window might be a better place to start today.

If this is true. We could kill MM and see how he pops up and then keep Strike alive or dead corresponding.

[nagerous]

JOAT may be more useful to keep alive than Strike who hasn't currently claimed, but can we trust Masket not to lie with his investigations?