A.D. and Tetracorp [Cleared/Busted]

[TheForgivenOne]

Well, King A would have to back up your claim, depends if he comes in here. But it is still suspicious, because earlier you said that there was no response, and all of a sudden you said there was one.

[jrh_cardinal]

Thank you A ...

Finally someone who gets it.

Yes, King Achelles did reply on June 2.

I did nothing wrong.

I'm the same person as before, lol. The A on the last line was from the King on the previous line, as in King A., the admin . I'm sorry if I offended you before, but before you said that there was no response.


You should definitely get this looked into farther. I still say it's strange since the CanuckSteve account did play 3 games with the kids accounts, but you should not lose premium for being a multi if you really were given permission

[jrh_cardinal]

Well, King A would have to back up your claim, depends if he comes in here. But it is still suspicious, because earlier you said that there was no response, and all of a sudden you said there was one.

well the e-ticket's still there right? It wouldn't be that hard for an admin to look up if Steve still has the ticket number

[CanuckSteve]

I did not play any games with the kids accounts. The kids played. I have a home network with a router and fire wall. Might look to the outside world like all are on the same IP Address (remember, I am a computer professor ... i know how to do this)

There were a total of five games which might appear suspicious
They are:
Game 1 - 7081590 - June 2 17:46 - Canucksteve and two kids
Game 2 - 7081837 - June 2 18:42 - Canucksteve and two kids

Game 3 - 7131080 June 11 18:04 - CanuckSteve, Chuck-a-puck and a stranger who joined before my daughter did
Game 4 - 7131156 June 11 18:08 - DaddyRon and two kids
Game 5 - 7269165 June 17 - 1:24 - my son tried to be older than he is. I only found out about this game today.

The goal was / is ... to play games with my children that do not affect my rating when I decide to let them win. Games are to be ONLY with my children. Now they want to play different maps. Why is it so difficult to be a good dad?

Why do I have to explain things and find facts which are listed on the site and any person who wants to know ALL the facts can look up on their own?

Why do I have to keep repeating the ticket number? Which is 104802 BTW

Why doesn't Conquerclub do what is right .. apologize and reinstate my premium account?

[jrh_cardinal]

By "playing games with the kids accounts" I obviously mean the CanuckSteve account was in the same game as the kids, which you said you wouldn't do. You said the whole point of creating the second account was so that CanuckSteve did not have to play with the kids.


Thank you for showing all of the games and saying the same thing I did like one post before. You still haven't explained why CanuckSteve was in games with the kids

The goal was / is ... to play games with my children that do not affect my rating when I decide to let them win. Games are to be ONLY with my children. Now they want to play different maps. Why is it so difficult to be a good dad?

3 of the 4 games with a kid and one of your accounts in it was with the canucksteve account, not the other one. So the question is why did you start the other one? and don't say "because I wanted to play with my kids and let them win but not lose points on he CanuckSteve account" because clearly, that is not the case. And don't think people are going to be sympathetic because you "want to be a good father". You checked a box which said you would only ever use 1 account. Therefore, you cheated unless you can prove you were given permission to start the second account. The only issue that matters here in terms of you being cleared is whether King A gave you permission to make the second account or not. It does not matter at all what the second account was being used for. idk if KS can see the e-ticket or not, but you need to get the number to him (yes, I know you posted it, but believe it or not, I'm not a mod) so he, King A, and the other multihunters can determine whether you were given permission to start the second account.

Why do I have to explain things and find facts which are listed on the site and any person who wants to know ALL the facts can look up on their own?

I have no idea what this means, but I did look up the facts, I have four of those five games in my post a couple posts up the thread . It's starting to sound more and more like you're making up a bunch of crap

Why doesn't Conquerclub do what is right .. apologize and reinstate my premium account?

because, obviously it is unclear whether or not the other account was acceptable. As previously stated, you are not allowed to make a second account for any reason. If you're e-ticket was clear that you wanted a second account for yourself, and King A said yes, then would be the time that CC should "apologize and do what is right". Until then, you are like every other multi




and this conversation is pointless. The only thing that matters is the e-ticket. Until someone else sees that, you're not going to convince anyone, including me, that you're in the clear. I would suggest PMing KS with the e-ticket number, and asking whether you should open another e-ticket, respond to the same e-ticket, or whatever would be the easiest way for King A to find the ticket again.

[CanuckSteve]

WHO ARE YOU jrh_cardinal? Are you a moderator?
Are you asking me questions to clarify the position or just trying to cause confusion?

What are you trying to accuse me of with no facts? Maybe i need to complain about you, your attitude, your unfounded critizims.

I don't care what I convince you of. I do know what you have convinced me of ...

Stop posting until you have something to ad

[TheForgivenOne]

WHO ARE YOU jrh_cardinal? Are you a moderator?
Are you asking me questions to clarify the position or just trying to cause confusion?

What are you trying to accuse me of with no facts? Maybe i need to complain about you, your attitude, your unfounded critizims.

I don't care what I convince you of. I do know what you have convinced me of ...

Stop posting until you have something to ad

He is not a moderator, moderators have colored names, like mine.

He is trying to help you. YOU Are the one confusing us. You are saying 1 thing one minute, then going back on it, and saying something the next. If you don't like his posts, foe him.

The ONLY reason for the duplicate account is to play with my 7 and 12 year old children.

You said that earlier. You created the duplicate account so you could lose to them. Yet you played on CanuckSteve when you wanted to win.

A) I notified conquerclub of my intentions prior to setting up the duplicate account, stating I would not do so if it caused problems. they did not reply. I did not try to hide.

You contradict this by saying

but why did King Achilles reply to my ticket on June 2 regarding a second account? He states states (ticket 104802)

"This is fine. Still, in the long run, you really can't stop for each one of you to play against others. Your relationship shall be noted in our records. Still, if ever one of you gets reported for being a multi or of having a secret diplomacy, that report will still be subjected for an investigation."

At first you said they didn't respond. Then all of a sudden, they did respond.

There was no violation of rules. DaddyRon only played with the children, and never entered a game with anyone else, nor any game with CanuckSteve.

That is a lie.

Rule #1: No multiple accounts

Multiple accounts are discovered by routine scans and community cheating reports. They are strictly forbidden whether or not they play in the same games or are even in use. If you suspect certain accounts belong to the same person, please report it following the instructions at the top of the Cheating & Abuse Reports forum.

At worst, I should have been asked to delete the DaddyRon account, and although nothing was said when I set up the account, be warned not to do this again. The penalty does not fit the crime - if there is a crime at all.

You can not delete accounts. Only an Admin will do this when it is necessary. If you are caught with a Multi account, you are busted.

2) i did not do anything to cheat. I only played my children on the second account (except for one game where someone joined before my daughter did)

It does not matter if you only want to play with your children on a second account. It's still using a second account. High ranks would like to create a second account, just so they could play the fun game types, but don't.

1) I asked permission prior to setting up a second account.

My guess, is the way you worded your E-ticket, confused King Achilles, and thought you meant something else.

The goal was / is ... to play games with my children that do not affect my rating when I decide to let them win.

Why should you be able to create a second account, just to play with your kids? No other parents/family get to do this on CC, what made you think you'd be an exception?



The Number One rule, on this site, is DO NOT CREATE A SECOND ACCOUNT FOR YOURSELF. Even when you sign up, there is a little button you must press, that reads

I will only ever use one account

Warning: Having multiple accounts is considered cheating. We routinely scan for multiple accounts and offending members will be banned from Conquer Club.

Do you not think this was a big enough warning, that having 2 accounts, for no matter what reason, not to create more than one?

[jrh_cardinal]

Are you asking me questions to clarify the position or just trying to cause confusion?

Stop posting until you have something to ad

if I'm asking questions clearly I am attempting to add something, you are just not answering

What are you trying to accuse me of with no facts?

umm HELLO!! You admitted to being a multi how is that no facts? I say it doesn't add up, I have said why multiple times and you have consistently posted, but ignored my questions, which makes it even more suspicious


Here is where we stand:
Do you have multiple accounts?
yes

Why?
because I want to let my kids beat me without losing points on the CanuckSteve account

If that is your reason then why are there 3 games with both CanuckSteve and at least one kid in the game?
unanswered


I was going to post more, but I think TFO took care of everything else. Thanks

[CanuckSteve]

To answer your "unanswered question" I played the first two games using my CanuckSteve account. I won the first game, then let them win the second game. I realized this would cause problems with my rating. I sent in a ticket to which I was told "this is fine' I then created the second account.

And before some moron tries to read my mind and can not deduce anything, and jumps to a conclusion without asking ... asks, I discovered I can not create private games with a guest account - AFTER I created the guest account and tried. So then I tried to do some research to see how I could do what I wanted to do (PROFESSOR remember? I do these things ....I test adn try things to see what works) That is when I started the game and the stranger joined.

IF you look at the chat log from that game, it is clear to anyone with a brain (which is some of you) that there was no intention of playing a game with anyone other than my children.

And since no one has figured this out ... you will notice all the kids games are on a Saturday. I only get them every second weekend during school

Since some of you can not count ... you will notice a total of 5 games affected ...

Too bad most of you can not tell time. Follow the time stamps and the potential answers are apparent. I guess I am also guilty of assuming that because you can do some research, you can do thorough research. We are not talking about 100's of games over many months.

This is not worth my time.

[TheForgivenOne]

Since some of you can not count ... you will notice a total of 5 games affected ...

Too bad most of you can not tell time. Follow the time stamps and the potential answers are apparent. I guess I am also guilty of assuming that because you can do some research, you can do thorough research. We are not talking about 100's of games over many months.

It does not matter at ALL how many games are affected, whether it be 5 games, or hundreds of games. If you actually would have done research before you supposedly sent this E-ticket in, you would have read that

Create password-protected PRIVATE games (which Free members may join, too)

Again, if you had done research, you would have read

Rule #1: No multiple accounts

Multiple accounts are discovered by routine scans and community cheating reports. They are strictly forbidden whether or not they play in the same games or are even in use. If you suspect certain accounts belong to the same person, please report it following the instructions at the top of the Cheating & Abuse Reports forum.

It does not matter if you intend to use the second account to gain points, or for whatever reason. But it's clear you have not done your research either. So do not say that we have not.

And it does not matter whether you played your kids on a Saturday, a Wednesday, or any other day of the week. That is irrelevant.

You still have not answered WHY you contradicted yourself.

[jrh_cardinal]

To answer your "unanswered question" I played the first two games using my CanuckSteve account. I won the first game, then let them win the second game. I realized this would cause problems with my rating. I sent in a ticket to which I was told "this is fine' I then created the second account.

well then why did you create the third game public with CanuckSteve, when you were planning for your kids to join it? If you were going to create it public, you would have made it using the second account. Thanks for answering that one though.

And before some moron tries to read my mind and can not deduce anything, and jumps to a conclusion without asking ... asks, I discovered I can not create private games with a guest account - AFTER I created the guest account and tried. So then I tried to do some research to see how I could do what I wanted to do (PROFESSOR remember? I do these things ....I test adn try things to see what works) That is when I started the game and the stranger joined.

again, what was the point of creating a public game with the premium account?

IF you look at the chat log from that game, it is clear to anyone with a brain (which is some of you) that there was no intention of playing a game with anyone other than my children.

agreed, but that is not the point

And since no one has figured this out ... you will notice all the kids games are on a Saturday. I only get them every second weekend during school

I have never argued that you're not playing with your kids

Since some of you can not count ... you will notice a total of 5 games affected ...

and?

Too bad most of you can not tell time. Follow the time stamps and the potential answers are apparent. I guess I am also guilty of assuming that because you can do some research, you can do thorough research. We are not talking about 100's of games over many months.

I believe TFO has quoted all of the 1 account per person no matter what things all over the site. This is irrelavent

This is not worth my time.

then stop responding


So, why did CanuckSteve create a public game?
Why did you contradict yourself? - by TFO
and why do you keep trying to defend yourself? I think everyone here agrees that if this e-ticket exists and says exactly what you says it says, you are okay, you are in the right, and CanuckSteve will get premium back (the second one will still be guested)

[CanuckSteve]

TheForgivenOne should be able to check the ticket. So i can not figure out why he continues to insult me, instead of checking the ticket and putting this all to rest ... Maybe it is some form of amusement .... better than TV or old DVD's.

As for jrh_cardinal ... I quoted the ticket number. ... You need to get a life. Is it a childhood problem you have that requires you to be aggressive, insulting, persistent and ignorant? I keep answering your uneducated and accusing posts, yet you continue. I do not have to reply to people who keep saying stupid things. Note that I am not calling you stupid ... yet ... but only that in this thread, you are saying stupid things. Also note the "yet" ....

[TheForgivenOne]

I can not check E-tickets. Only Administrators can check E-tickets. I am not an Administrator. I am a Moderator. Maybe you need to stop insulting us, first, before we take you seriously. We have been trying to get answers out of you, THAT you will not give. I asked the question 30 times over, "Why did you contradict yourself?" Have you answered this? No. 1 Account per user, it is that simple.

[CanuckSteve]

Clearly, I made a mistake or typo in my early post where I said I sent a a ticket and did not get a response. I got a response which said it was fine. Ticket number 104802

You two are complete idiots. you should both be banned for harassment.

[Dauntless07]

Well here' a tip for your next premium, don't go to a forum that specializes in catching multis if you have multiple accounts.

[Woodruff]

And here is my response to the duplicate account accusation

Hello,

You are completely wrong in this conclusion.

I sent you a notice PRIOR to creating the second account explaining my purpose.

The ONLY reason for the duplicate account is to play with my 7 and 12 year old children. REGGIE-O and CHUCK-A-PUCK. We play the board game, and they wanted to play on your site to add variety to the games. We have a home network, and play among ourselves.

I want to let them win sometimes, and I am selfish. I did not want losing to my children to affect my points earned on CanuckSteve..

A look at the games played by DaddyRon will show (with the one exception where someone else joined in error) I only play with my children. NEVER will CanuckSteve and DaddyRon play the same game. There has been no violations.

I respectfully request ...
You allow this account (daddyron) to continue.
You remove the false accusation that I am using duplicate accounts
Reinstate my premium membership
If you have issues with me, a discussion take place, and research into the facts occur.

regards,

You request that they remove the "false accusation that you are using duplicate accounts"...except it's NOT A FALSE ACCUSATION. You absolutely did use duplicate accounts.

CONQUERCLUB TOOK AWAY MY PREMIUM ACCOUNT BECAUSE I TRIED TO BE A GOOD PARENT!

No. They took away your premium because you have multiple accounts. Without question, you could just as easily have been just as good of a parent with one account.

I want a public apology for your actions as I have been accused of being a cheat. Post it in the forum.

You demand an apology for their stating that you did what they state you did. That's ballsy.

[jrh_cardinal]

TheForgivenOne should be able to check the ticket. So i can not figure out why he continues to insult me, instead of checking the ticket and putting this all to rest ... Maybe it is some form of amusement .... better than TV or old DVD's.

As for jrh_cardinal ... I quoted the ticket number. ... You need to get a life. Is it a childhood problem you have that requires you to be aggressive, insulting, persistent and ignorant? I keep answering your uneducated and accusing posts, yet you continue. I do not have to reply to people who keep saying stupid things. Note that I am not calling you stupid ... yet ... but only that in this thread, you are saying stupid things. Also note the "yet" ....

I clearly labeled the three questions that TFO and I currently have in my last post. I see 0 answers here (or in your next post). You have continually not answered my questions, and I would appreciate it if you would stop insulting my intelligence since clearly everyone here agrees with me

[king sam]

Your the one that should go back and re-read through this claim in its entirety to include your dauntless posts Mr. Professor.

You have contradicted yourself too many times.

You had the DaddyRon account made to play with your kids and not lose points on the Canuk account yet both accounts have played the kid accounts.
Lie Number 1.

You contradict yourself saying you got no response then you got one from King A.
Which is it?

Everyone that has posted in here and has been noting but helpful as to the way the process goes and trying to piece together what story your feeding them at that time. C&A is an open forum, a discussion. We the moderators and hunters of it investigate the facts hear the public and meet in a dark hallway in the space time continuum and devise the outcome of the case.

FACTS STATE HERE THAT YOU HAD MORE THEN 1 ACCOUNT.
You openly admit it. E-Ticket or no E-Ticket more then 1 account is forbidden. Im sure it was a mix up in the understanding of the E-Ticket if King A said it was all right, cause I know he knows the rules and abides by them and enforces them. So I will talk with him and see the background story. And we will see what comes of it. But the DaddyRon account is a Guest, it will no longer be playing on this site, for the time being your account is a freemium status until King A and I talk to see if there is some truth to your claim.

Like I said he coulda misinterpreted your E-Ticket. I guarantee he did not willingly tell you it was ok to have more then 1 account.

KS