Never worked a day in her life

[patches70]

And another thing, bedub, even Obama (to his credit) has come out and said how offensive and flat out wrong it was of Rosen's comments. Condemned by virtually everyone. Except you seem to still be siding with her comments even though Romney's own political opponents don't agree in the slightest (at least publicly).

Can you not see how far out of touch and sanity you are in your defense of a rhetoric that is so offensive, unwise and downright despicable that anyone with half a brain has distanced themselves from?
Why do you continue to latch on to such reasoning from the OP that is so thoroughly condemned by all in the political arena? Even a simpleton can see the implications of such a line of thought. A line of reasoning justifying the complete lack of trust and common courtesy one should show their partner in marriage.

[AndyDufresne]

It is interesting that TV has become more like the internet, and the internet has become more like what TV use to be. I.E. --->

TV --> ...A place for everyone to talk loudly and make wild assertions and say often laughable and ignorant things
Internet --> ...Content delivery venue


--Andy

[john9blue]

the internet has always just been a better, larger, more extreme version of TV

[oVo]

I don't think this subject is about Mittens accepting advice and opinions from his wife at all. The topic rises from a stupid remark made about Mrs. Romney "not working a day in her life." Since she is a "stay at home mom" it has derailed the genuine issues of recent political discourse in an effort to make Democrats look like hypocrites on women's issues at President Obama's expense. On a slow news day it caused a lot of commotion, but once the misdirected quotes and ruffled feathers die down, it will pass.

For several decades it's been a luxury in America for any single income family to have a stay at home spouse. With the tight economy there are many two income families just making ends meet and single parents who really have a tough task holding it all together. None of these hard working people should be offended by a cheap shot taken at Mrs. Romney's privileged lifestyle or the ignorant remarks that made it a headline. It's just the game of politics raising it's ugly head once more while attempting to gain ground any way possible. It's early in the campaigns and we still have more than 200 days remaining to endure plenty more BS.

One point I believe some people are trying to make is this... Mrs.Romney is not the typical "stay at home mom" and there are many who think any comparison to parents who are struggling to keep a roof over their heads while meeting the everyday needs of their kids is not a realistic comparison. Many families have struggled and made a lot of personal sacrifices just to allow one parent to be at home. The Romneys are not one of those families.

[patches70]

The "economic" advice that Ann Romney gave to her husband (from Mittens words) are thus-
<From Romney's statements> "Well, you know my wife tells me that what women really care about are economic issues and when I listen to my wife that's what I'm hearing."

Now you get people like Hilary Rosen and bedub saying "But she's never worked a day in her life!"

Now, tell me, even if Romney's wife isn't a "Typical stay at home mom", what exactly is so wrong with the above advice as related by Romney?
Is the fact that she never worked a day in her life reason to think what she apparently said any less true?

Or taking bedub's own words, are stay at home moms not allowed to comment or opine about anything other than washing clothes or cooking turkeys?

It's not like Romney's wife was telling her husband how to run the economy as bedub has continually suggested.
Even Rosen, the original speaker of the stupidity has retracted her very words and apologized for her "poorly chosen words" and acknowledged that what she said was indeed offensive to many people.

You see, to people like Hilary Rosen, Romney listening to his wife is "old fashioned" (Rosen's words). Now kick me in the face if I'm wrong here, but shouldn't a husband listen to his wife? Hell, what Ann Romney supposedly told her husband seems like sound enough advice regardless of her "atypical status" of a stay at home mom. Or am I wrong and women, especially stay at home moms, aren't concerned about economic issues?

Certainly, oVo, this will all blow over. Especially when everyone and their kin has come out blasting Rosen's comments save for the few hanger on's who somehow think that there is some validity in Rosen's words even though the pundit herself has retracted those very words and apologized.

I just like seeing people like bedub attempt to continue justifying their position in the face of the fact that even the person who offered that position in the first place has retracted her own words. A position completely disowned even by Romney's political opponents who would no doubt seize upon any legitimate against position against him.

[bedub1]

I'd say a single mother, working 2 jobs to support her child is a far greater person to provide advice to Romney that is his wife who hasn't ever had a job.

I consider the Romney's to be completely out of touch with reality, without a clue as to what's going on in the "real" world.

I still support these statements. The Romney's are so far into the 1% they have no clue about the plights of the 99%. They don't understand needing health insurance, or it being too expensive. They don't understand what a loaf of bread costs, and it's affects on society. When prices increase they think "yay! more profits for me" where as the rest of the world thinks "shit, now my family will go hungry".

That argument might be valid for the Romneys, but it is NOT characteristic of the vast majority of stay at home moms around the country. They are acutely aware of the growing prices on the items they have to buy on a weekly basis and the lies the government keeps telling them in regards to inflation. They know how badly those higher prices are harming the rest of the economy through a decrease in discretionary spending.

This is my point. The rMoney's can pretend they are part of the vast majority of stay at home moms, but it's a lie. Mrs. rMoney can pretend she knows what she's talking about, and can pretend that she speaks for all women in the world, but it's a lie. This woman hasn't had a job. She doesn't have any first-hand experience about what it's like to get a job.

YOU are missing the point as a person of means who has never been faced with having to get a job or struggle she is out of touch and if romney thinks she is the pulse of american women it shows he is out of touch and an idiot for making the statement he did.

Exactly

I don't think I am missing the point. I think the statement should just be referring to Mrs. Romney and have nothing to do with being a stay at home mom. She is the one out of touch not all stay at home moms. Stay at home moms are more in touch than a lot of people I see in the work force.

I agree

And another thing, bedub, even Obama (to his credit) has come out and said how offensive and flat out wrong it was of Rosen's comments. Condemned by virtually everyone. Except you seem to still be siding with her comments even though Romney's own political opponents don't agree in the slightest (at least publicly).

Can you not see how far out of touch and sanity you are in your defense of a rhetoric that is so offensive, unwise and downright despicable that anyone with half a brain has distanced themselves from?
Why do you continue to latch on to such reasoning from the OP that is so thoroughly condemned by all in the political arena? Even a simpleton can see the implications of such a line of thought. A line of reasoning justifying the complete lack of trust and common courtesy one should show their partner in marriage.

I agree stay at home moms are working. But that's still not a job. I explained what a job was. The statement the lady made about stay at home moms not working is rubbish, but the statement about her not holding a job and not being the pulse of America is dead on balls accurate. (That's an industry term in case you aren't familiar with it).

One point I believe some people are trying to make is this... Mrs.Romney is not the typical "stay at home mom" and there are many who think any comparison to parents who are struggling to keep a roof over their heads while meeting the everyday needs of their kids is not a realistic comparison. Many families have struggled and made a lot of personal sacrifices just to allow one parent to be at home. The Romneys are not one of those families.

Exactly

[Night Strike]

I'd say a single mother, working 2 jobs to support her child is a far greater person to provide advice to Romney that is his wife who hasn't ever had a job.

I consider the Romney's to be completely out of touch with reality, without a clue as to what's going on in the "real" world.

I still support these statements. The Romney's are so far into the 1% they have no clue about the plights of the 99%. They don't understand needing health insurance, or it being too expensive. They don't understand what a loaf of bread costs, and it's affects on society. When prices increase they think "yay! more profits for me" where as the rest of the world thinks "shit, now my family will go hungry".

That argument might be valid for the Romneys, but it is NOT characteristic of the vast majority of stay at home moms around the country. They are acutely aware of the growing prices on the items they have to buy on a weekly basis and the lies the government keeps telling them in regards to inflation. They know how badly those higher prices are harming the rest of the economy through a decrease in discretionary spending.

This is my point. The rMoney's can pretend they are part of the vast majority of stay at home moms, but it's a lie. Mrs. rMoney can pretend she knows what she's talking about, and can pretend that she speaks for all women in the world, but it's a lie. This woman hasn't had a job. She doesn't have any first-hand experience about what it's like to get a job.

Neither does Michelle Obama (nor the President for that matter), so what's your point? The economy IS what all people should be worried about for this election, and the President has a horrible record on the topic.

[bedub1]

I'd say a single mother, working 2 jobs to support her child is a far greater person to provide advice to Romney that is his wife who hasn't ever had a job.

I consider the Romney's to be completely out of touch with reality, without a clue as to what's going on in the "real" world.

I still support these statements. The Romney's are so far into the 1% they have no clue about the plights of the 99%. They don't understand needing health insurance, or it being too expensive. They don't understand what a loaf of bread costs, and it's affects on society. When prices increase they think "yay! more profits for me" where as the rest of the world thinks "shit, now my family will go hungry".

That argument might be valid for the Romneys, but it is NOT characteristic of the vast majority of stay at home moms around the country. They are acutely aware of the growing prices on the items they have to buy on a weekly basis and the lies the government keeps telling them in regards to inflation. They know how badly those higher prices are harming the rest of the economy through a decrease in discretionary spending.

This is my point. The rMoney's can pretend they are part of the vast majority of stay at home moms, but it's a lie. Mrs. rMoney can pretend she knows what she's talking about, and can pretend that she speaks for all women in the world, but it's a lie. This woman hasn't had a job. She doesn't have any first-hand experience about what it's like to get a job.

Neither does Michelle Obama (nor the President for that matter), so what's your point? The economy IS what all people should be worried about for this election, and the President has a horrible record on the topic.

I stated it in my very first post:

I'd say a single mother, working 2 jobs to support her child is a far greater person to provide advice to Romney that is his wife who hasn't ever had a job.

If rMoney is looking for economic advice, he shouldn't give too much weight to what his wife says. He should instead ask the 99%, not the .00001%. When it comes to hands-on practical experience, she doesn't have a clue.

[Night Strike]

So there are no stay at home moms who may have never held a job among the 99% who wouldn't have said the exact same thing?

[patches70]

If rMoney is looking for economic advice, he shouldn't give too much weight to what his wife says.

So, what did his wife say? Why not show some actual things she said that you apparently think was so wrong. I offered up something and invited you to comment on it, though you seem to have ignored that.

Instead of focusing on from whom the message came, why not comment on the substance of the message?

Why not show the statements that Ann Romney made that show she doesn't have her hand on "the pulse of America " as you put it. Instead of just declaring it and assuming fact, why don't you show specifics that actually lend credence to that "fact"?

[bedub1]

my wife tells me that what women really care about

So you guys are telling me that she knows what women really care about? She has personally interviewed every single woman in America, and knows their deepest thoughts and desires? She is the best person for rMoney to speak with in order to understand what women think?

It's like people who think Jesse Jackson speaks for the entire black community. As Token from South Park states: "Jesse Jackson is not the emperor of black people!"

My point is there are people with far more experience, with far more knowledge than his wife. You don't ask her about Health Insurance and the medial industry, you ask a poor person without health insurance who can't get health insurance. You don't ask her about what it's like for women in the workplace, because she isn't in the workplace. She's entitled to her opinion, and "a husband should listen to his wife", but he doesn't have to do what she says, and he shouldn't be making national policy decisions based upon her opinion. She's unqualified to speak for all women.

Patches I've ignore most of your comments because they aren't relevant. You are now asking me to prove a negative, which is impossible. I'm not going to prove the unprovable. By the same rational, why don't you guys prove she knows everything about woman and is the best person to provide advice? Basically, I'm not falling for your rubbish.

It's my opinion she is unqualified to provide advice. I have backed it up with a multitude of reasons why I believe she is lacking in qualifications. Like I said, you don't ask the taro card reader how to fix your car; you ask a mechanic.

[patches70]

So you guys are telling me that she knows what women really care about? She has personally interviewed every single woman in America, and knows their deepest thoughts and desires? She is the best person for rMoney to speak with in order to understand what women think?

By that criteria, show me anyone who is qualified to understand what women think (or qualified on anything for that matter) and be sure to include links to evidence that they have met all the above criteria you cite.
Thank you.

Like I said, you don't ask the taro card reader how to fix your car; you ask a mechanic.

And if one were to wish to gain insight into what women think, they should ask a woman.

Ann Romney is a woman. Or do you think she is not qualified to be a woman?

[Phatscotty]

Well, Obama is telling women all across America that being a mother "isn't a real job".....

No he isn't, you dummy.

Mrs.Romney's MS and cancer are bigger character building events in her life than her experiences as a housewife. Do you think she has spent much time at the grocery store or cleaning house in recent years? Being the wife of a wealthy man has it's perks and still the recent comments are ridiculous.

Address the "Republican War on Women" the same way and we can talk...

[Night Strike]

My point is there are people with far more experience, with far more knowledge than his wife. You don't ask her about Health Insurance and the medial industry, you ask a poor person without health insurance who can't get health insurance.

Ummm.........no. Why wouldn't you ask a person who does have health insurance? Unless you're trying to selectively choose which agenda you want to push.

You don't ask her about what it's like for women in the workplace, because she isn't in the workplace.

He didn't ask her about the workplace. He asked her for her opinion as a woman on which issues might be important to women. You assume that women who don't work have no role in the economy and therefore can't give their opinions on the economy. That is patently false.

[bedub1]

So you guys are telling me that she knows what women really care about? She has personally interviewed every single woman in America, and knows their deepest thoughts and desires? She is the best person for rMoney to speak with in order to understand what women think?

By that criteria, show me anyone who is qualified to understand what women think (or qualified on anything for that matter) and be sure to include links to evidence that they have met all the above criteria you cite.
Thank you.

Like I said, you don't ask the taro card reader how to fix your car; you ask a mechanic.

And if one were to wish to gain insight into what women think, they should ask a woman.

Ann Romney is a woman. Or do you think she is not qualified to be a woman?

They should ask a woman who is in the 99%. Personally, I don't give a shit what Ann Romney thinks. She is in her own little world with the other 1000 women. She's not in the real world with the other 150million women. That's like asking the jailer about the conditions of the inmates. Try asking the inmates instead.

You don't ask the queen of england about what it's like to be a woman in england. You ask 100 random women you find walking on the streets. You don't ask random women on the street about what it's like to be the queen of england, you ask the queen.

Lets ask Ann about the economy. Ann, what do you think of the economy? "It's great! We keep making more and more money! And we pay less and less taxes. Prices keep going up, which keeps pushing our profits up. Nobody really needs to worry about the economy though, I've got more than enough money."

[patches70]

They should ask a woman who is in the 99%.

And this woman "personally interviewed every single woman in America, and knows their deepest thoughts and desires" (your words), please show me this woman of the 99% you speak of that has these qualifications that you have decided makes Ann Romney an ill choice.


All you do is regurgitate talking points and your vitriol towards Ann Romney is sorely misplaced.

I am no fan of Romney's political positions, there is little difference between him and Obama. But your line of reasoning is based solely on your perception as fed to you by people with agendas. Ann Romney, as far as I can tell, is a decent person who is by all accounts a loving and loyal wife, a good mother, and a loved Grandmother. To level such hate to her over class warfare issues is foolish.

[bedub1]

They should ask a woman who is in the 99%.

And this woman "personally interviewed every single woman in America, and knows their deepest thoughts and desires" (your words), please show me this woman of the 99% you speak of that has these qualifications that you have decided makes Ann Romney an ill choice.


All you do is regurgitate talking points and your vitriol towards Ann Romney is sorely misplaced.

I am no fan of Romney's political positions, there is little difference between him and Obama. But your line of reasoning is based solely on your perception as fed to you by people with agendas. Ann Romney, as far as I can tell, is a decent person who is by all accounts a loving and loyal wife, a good mother, and a loved Grandmother. To level such hate to her over class warfare issues is foolish.

"I called 2 people in my town, and neither of them own snowmobiles, so I know that nobody in my town owns snowmobiles"

I've explained time and time again why I feel she isn't qualified to be providing advice and you guys can't refute it. Maybe you guys do ask your auto mechanic to fix your teeth. More power to you.

[Night Strike]

I've explained time and time again why I feel she isn't qualified to be providing advice and you guys can't refute it. Maybe you guys do ask your auto mechanic to fix your teeth. More power to you.

And we're saying your ultimate implication is wrong.

[patches70]

You don't ask the queen of england about what it's like to be a woman in england. You ask 100 random women you find walking on the streets. You don't ask random women on the street about what it's like to be the queen of england, you ask the queen.

It's funny how you bring up the point about polling people. A poll was run by The Washington Post in regards to Rosen's comments. It seems only 5%* of those who answered actually agree with your position.
Congrats bedub, you are now part of the lunatic fringe.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... _blog.html

*At this moment, only 5% of those who have taken part of the poll have selected- "Ann Romney is out of touch with the economic issues facing working women."

[patches70]

I've explained time and time again why I feel she isn't qualified to be providing advice and you guys can't refute it.

Can't refute? Oh, you mean like this little gem here-

Lets ask Ann about the economy. Ann, what do you think of the economy? "It's great! We keep making more and more money! And we pay less and less taxes. Prices keep going up, which keeps pushing our profits up. Nobody really needs to worry about the economy though, I've got more than enough money."

That is an outright lie there, unless of course you can provide a link to prove she actually said that. You can't of course, your idea "proof" is unimpressive, to say the least.....

[bedub1]

I've explained time and time again why I feel she isn't qualified to be providing advice and you guys can't refute it.

Can't refute? Oh, you mean like this little gem here-

Lets ask Ann about the economy. Ann, what do you think of the economy? "It's great! We keep making more and more money! And we pay less and less taxes. Prices keep going up, which keeps pushing our profits up. Nobody really needs to worry about the economy though, I've got more than enough money."

That is an outright lie there, unless of course you can provide a link to prove she actually said that. You can't of course, your idea "proof" is unimpressive, to say the least.....

Oh no that was just my little made up story. I've given a long list of why I think she's not qualified. You guys refuted with "she's a woman".

[patches70]

I've explained time and time again why I feel she isn't qualified to be providing advice and you guys can't refute it.

Can't refute? Oh, you mean like this little gem here-

Lets ask Ann about the economy. Ann, what do you think of the economy? "It's great! We keep making more and more money! And we pay less and less taxes. Prices keep going up, which keeps pushing our profits up. Nobody really needs to worry about the economy though, I've got more than enough money."

That is an outright lie there, unless of course you can provide a link to prove she actually said that. You can't of course, your idea "proof" is unimpressive, to say the least.....

Oh no that was just my little made up story. I've given a long list of why I think she's not qualified. You guys refuted with "she's a woman".

All of your other points from your list are all nothing more than your imaginations on what Ann Romney must think instead of examples of actual statements from Mrs Romney.

All little lies made up in your head to convince yourself to buy into the narrative that was spoon fed to you. Even the original source as documented in your very own OP have been disowned by the very person who said them. Yet you cling to it a fly stuck on flypaper showing exactly the level of your anger and hatred.
Congrats again, on being part of the lunatic fringe.

[Night Strike]

I've explained time and time again why I feel she isn't qualified to be providing advice and you guys can't refute it.

Can't refute? Oh, you mean like this little gem here-

Lets ask Ann about the economy. Ann, what do you think of the economy? "It's great! We keep making more and more money! And we pay less and less taxes. Prices keep going up, which keeps pushing our profits up. Nobody really needs to worry about the economy though, I've got more than enough money."

That is an outright lie there, unless of course you can provide a link to prove she actually said that. You can't of course, your idea "proof" is unimpressive, to say the least.....

Oh no that was just my little made up story. I've given a long list of why I think she's not qualified. You guys refuted with "she's a woman".

Because that's why she was asked the question "What do women care about in this election?"!!! Sheesh. Or do you think rich women aren't allowed to have opinions on topics, especially if they mention economics?

[bedub1]

I've explained time and time again why I feel she isn't qualified to be providing advice and you guys can't refute it.

Can't refute? Oh, you mean like this little gem here-

Lets ask Ann about the economy. Ann, what do you think of the economy? "It's great! We keep making more and more money! And we pay less and less taxes. Prices keep going up, which keeps pushing our profits up. Nobody really needs to worry about the economy though, I've got more than enough money."

That is an outright lie there, unless of course you can provide a link to prove she actually said that. You can't of course, your idea "proof" is unimpressive, to say the least.....

Oh no that was just my little made up story. I've given a long list of why I think she's not qualified. You guys refuted with "she's a woman".

Because that's why she was asked the question "What do women care about in this election?"!!! Sheesh. Or do you think rich women aren't allowed to have opinions on topics, especially if they mention economics?

Oh I see now what you guys are saying. She was asked "What do women care about in this election?" and she replied "The economy". I'm fine with that. That's totally cool. I thought we were talking about her opinions on the economy and how it's working, how to fix it, etc, and when Mitt goes looking for advice on the economy he goes to his wife.

[oVo]

The economy comment was a very broad brush stroke with nothing specific singled out. I just heard the complete "Never worked a day..." remarks on the radio this morning and the phrase sounds much worse out of context than it actually was.

Mrs. Romney is so cute, I bet she takes lots of vitamins.