Conservatism in the USA

[Woodruff]

UPDATE: Scotty now claims Tea Party not conservative enough.

I didn't see anywhere where Phatscotty claimed such a thing.

[Woodruff]

http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/14/news/economy/deficits-falling/index.html

Happens when Congress no longer gives Obama a blank check and when the economy has a little bit of improvement to it. However, I'd expect the economic improvement to come to a streaking halt by this time next year due to Obamacare.

It's Obama's fault when the deficit is increasing, but the deficit falling is in spite of Obama. Do you guys ever think you make sense?

[Woodruff]

Typical hit-piece from the pro-abortion groups. Crisis pregnancy centers exist to actually help women who have an unexpected pregnancy and don't have the means to help themselves with medical care, counseling, and after-birth care. They don't exist to provide abortions, which is why the pro-abortion lobbies have such a problem with them.

And your OP has nothing to do with conservatism in the USA; it has to do with disliking groups that oppose abortion.

I don't know where you got the idea that harassing pregnant women is helping them

Because Night Strike and those like him know what those women need better than those women do. Duh.

Nope, I've never believed that

If that were true, you wouldn't support the harassment of women who are interested in having an abortion. But you do support that.

which is why I'm strictly opposed to Obamacare, which is purely government involvement in health care decisions of all people.

Uh...it really isn't...at least, not any moreso than was already happening.

Abortion has never been about a woman's choice

Of course it is and always has been.

it's about the unborn child being its own being and having its own right to life that is guaranteed to all. No person's right to choose extends to having the right to take away the life of another.

That's fine, when it's actually a human life that is involved. But it's typically not. Rather, it's about controlling women. How dare they leave the kitchen and not want to be pregnant. The gall!

[Phatscotty]

How do you guys differentiate social conservatism and fiscal conservatism?

We have not had very many fiscal Conservatives in government in recent history

Erm, can I take your first thought and ask what you mean?

I mean there haven't been many Republicans at all who qualified as fiscally conservative, specifically at a Federal level.

Thanks for making my long stated argument for me,but if I had said it you would say I was incorrectly stereotyping and smearing conservatives.

I completely disagree

[Phatscotty]

UPDATE: Scotty now claims Tea Party not conservative enough.

It's okay. I knew before hand I was wasting my time responding honestly to your post, but I reached out anyways.

Enjoy it while it lasted. I don't get sucked into garbage troll posts anymore

[ooge]

can anyone remember back to a time,not that long ago when republicans attitude was that deficits do not matter,that it would be better to grow the country's economy to solve whatever debt problem the country has and to achieve this taxes have to be cut.This will be the attitude again the next time there is a republican president.

[Symmetry]

UPDATE: Scotty now claims Tea Party not conservative enough.

It's okay. I knew before hand I was wasting my time responding honestly to your post, but I reached out anyways.

Enjoy it while it lasted. I don't get sucked into garbage troll posts anymore

Being alienated from your affections is, as ever, the worst punishment of all.

*weeps*

[Night Strike]

can anyone remember back to a time,not that long ago when republicans attitude was that deficits do not matter,that it would be better to grow the country's economy to solve whatever debt problem the country has and to achieve this taxes have to be cut.This will be the attitude again the next time there is a republican president.

Which is precisely why conservatives are working to change the Republican party and actually hold to principles of limited government.

[Symmetry]

can anyone remember back to a time,not that long ago when republicans attitude was that deficits do not matter,that it would be better to grow the country's economy to solve whatever debt problem the country has and to achieve this taxes have to be cut.This will be the attitude again the next time there is a republican president.

Which is precisely why conservatives are working to change the Republican party and actually hold to principles of limited government.

How's that going?

[Woodruff]

can anyone remember back to a time,not that long ago when republicans attitude was that deficits do not matter,that it would be better to grow the country's economy to solve whatever debt problem the country has and to achieve this taxes have to be cut.This will be the attitude again the next time there is a republican president.

Which is precisely why conservatives are working to change the Republican party and actually hold to principles of limited government.

I do sincerely hope they are successful. I don't expect it to last past the next Republican President or Republican-held Congress, unfortunately.

[thegreekdog]

can anyone remember back to a time,not that long ago when republicans attitude was that deficits do not matter,that it would be better to grow the country's economy to solve whatever debt problem the country has and to achieve this taxes have to be cut.This will be the attitude again the next time there is a republican president.

Which is precisely why conservatives are working to change the Republican party and actually hold to principles of limited government.

I do sincerely hope they are successful. I don't expect it to last past the next Republican President or Republican-held Congress, unfortunately.

Me neither, which is why I stopped voting for Republicans for federal office.

[waauw]

can anyone remember back to a time,not that long ago when republicans attitude was that deficits do not matter,that it would be better to grow the country's economy to solve whatever debt problem the country has and to achieve this taxes have to be cut.This will be the attitude again the next time there is a republican president.

Which is precisely why conservatives are working to change the Republican party and actually hold to principles of limited government.

I do sincerely hope they are successful. I don't expect it to last past the next Republican President or Republican-held Congress, unfortunately.

Me neither, which is why I stopped voting for Republicans for federal office.

any hope for the libertarians to ever become popular maybe?*hope*

[thegreekdog]

I'm hopeful, but not realistically hopeful.

Here is an example:

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/06/03/3 ... drums.html

[Woodruff]

I'm hopeful, but not realistically hopeful.

I'm probably a bit more hopeful than that...but yeah.

[ooge]

can anyone remember back to a time,not that long ago when republicans attitude was that deficits do not matter,that it would be better to grow the country's economy to solve whatever debt problem the country has and to achieve this taxes have to be cut.This will be the attitude again the next time there is a republican president.

Which is precisely why conservatives are working to change the Republican party and actually hold to principles of limited government.

I do sincerely hope they are successful. I don't expect it to last past the next Republican President or Republican-held Congress, unfortunately.

Exactly and that is why the TEA ALIENS is the same game being played again as it was with the Newt Gingrich congress under Clinton.

[thegreekdog]

can anyone remember back to a time,not that long ago when republicans attitude was that deficits do not matter,that it would be better to grow the country's economy to solve whatever debt problem the country has and to achieve this taxes have to be cut.This will be the attitude again the next time there is a republican president.

Which is precisely why conservatives are working to change the Republican party and actually hold to principles of limited government.

I do sincerely hope they are successful. I don't expect it to last past the next Republican President or Republican-held Congress, unfortunately.

Exactly and that is why the TEA ALIENS is the same game being played again as it was with the Newt Gingrich congress under Clinton.

I agree with this theory, although the Clinton/Republican dichotomy was pretty good for the country.

[Woodruff]

can anyone remember back to a time,not that long ago when republicans attitude was that deficits do not matter,that it would be better to grow the country's economy to solve whatever debt problem the country has and to achieve this taxes have to be cut.This will be the attitude again the next time there is a republican president.

Which is precisely why conservatives are working to change the Republican party and actually hold to principles of limited government.

I do sincerely hope they are successful. I don't expect it to last past the next Republican President or Republican-held Congress, unfortunately.

Exactly and that is why the TEA ALIENS is the same game being played again as it was with the Newt Gingrich congress under Clinton.

I agree with this theory, although the Clinton/Republican dichotomy was pretty good for the country.

Absolutely. And it had a much different tenor, in my opinion, than the current Obama/Republican dichotomy. Much different.

[ooge]

can anyone remember back to a time,not that long ago when republicans attitude was that deficits do not matter,that it would be better to grow the country's economy to solve whatever debt problem the country has and to achieve this taxes have to be cut.This will be the attitude again the next time there is a republican president.

Which is precisely why conservatives are working to change the Republican party and actually hold to principles of limited government.

I do sincerely hope they are successful. I don't expect it to last past the next Republican President or Republican-held Congress, unfortunately.

Exactly and that is why the TEA ALIENS is the same game being played again as it was with the Newt Gingrich congress under Clinton.

I agree with this theory, although the Clinton/Republican dichotomy was pretty good for the country.

Absolutely. And it had a much different tenor, in my opinion, than the current Obama/Republican dichotomy. Much different.

different tenor? white house Christmas card scandal under Clinton,impeachment. The right by their own actions have eliminated the chances of there ever being another independent prosecutor again.

[Woodruff]

Which is precisely why conservatives are working to change the Republican party and actually hold to principles of limited government.

I do sincerely hope they are successful. I don't expect it to last past the next Republican President or Republican-held Congress, unfortunately.

Exactly and that is why the TEA ALIENS is the same game being played again as it was with the Newt Gingrich congress under Clinton.

I agree with this theory, although the Clinton/Republican dichotomy was pretty good for the country.

Absolutely. And it had a much different tenor, in my opinion, than the current Obama/Republican dichotomy. Much different.

different tenor?

Absolutely, it did. Sure, they got all stupid over Monical Lewinsky and other things, but as far as policy-making went, it was not the ridiculous if-you-say-it-we-hate-it bullshit we've seen lately. Of late, the tenor from Congress in particular is one of absolute obstructionism (regardless of the policy). It's gotten completely stupid, and I don't believe that was the case when Clinton was President.

[Phatscotty]

can anyone remember back to a time,not that long ago when republicans attitude was that deficits do not matter,that it would be better to grow the country's economy to solve whatever debt problem the country has and to achieve this taxes have to be cut.This will be the attitude again the next time there is a republican president.

Sure do. I also remember voting their asses out in the primaries.

Your post belongs in the year 2009

It's turning out that Conservatism in the USA is just something for Liberals to bash. Some are so consumed by their hate, that the current president can get away with anything and never be held accountable by his supporters.

I voted for Bush in 2000. I was very young, and I liked what he said about ending the practice of nation building. As soon as he started "building nations" I turned on him 180 degrees (explains how I went from voting for Bush to voting for Nader) and I felt lied to, and I with many other Conservatives criticized him exactly as much as I do Obama now. Where are all the Democrats like that? Are there any?

There is as clear difference here between Conservatives and Liberals when it comes to being objective, holding those they voted for accountable for their promises and actions, and not drinking the kool-aid.

[Dukasaur]

And your OP has nothing to do with conservatism in the USA

You believe that these type of centers that trick women into entering them on false pretenses are being run by liberal groups?

I don't think the correlation is nearly as strong as you think it to be. I know conservatives have a tendency to be against abortion, but I've met plenty who were not. Conversely, while liberals tend to be in favour of freely-available abortion, I'm met quite a few who were not.

[Woodruff]

It's turning out that Conservatism in the USA is just something for Liberals to bash. Some are so consumed by their hate, that the current president can get away with anything and never be held accountable by his supporters.

You're still not very strong on that self-awareness/self-reflection thing, are you? Does the irony stick hurt very much, or are you numb to it after being pounded by it so often?

I voted for Bush in 2000. I was very young, and I liked what he said about ending the practice of nation building. As soon as he started "building nations" I turned on him 180 degrees (explains how I went from voting for Bush to voting for Nader) and I felt lied to, and I with many other Conservatives criticized him exactly as much as I do Obama now. Where are all the Democrats like that? Are there any?

It's almost like, in your hatred of everything that's not like you, you are absolutely unwilling to look at the world through any sort of an objective lens. This can be nothing short of intentional on your part. You are disgusting.

There is as clear difference here between Conservatives and Liberals when it comes to being objective, holding those they voted for accountable for their promises and actions, and not drinking the kool-aid.

If you're an example, then the Liberals make the Conservatives look foolish in this regard. Of course, you wouldn't know that, since your news source is The Blaze.

[Woodruff]

And your OP has nothing to do with conservatism in the USA

You believe that these type of centers that trick women into entering them on false pretenses are being run by liberal groups?

I don't think the correlation is nearly as strong as you think it to be. I know conservatives have a tendency to be against abortion, but I've met plenty who were not. Conversely, while liberals tend to be in favour of freely-available abortion, I'm met quite a few who were not.

Do you believe liberals would tend to run these type of centers, regardless of their feelings regarding abortion? I don't believe they would at all.

[ooge]

can anyone remember back to a time,not that long ago when republicans attitude was that deficits do not matter,that it would be better to grow the country's economy to solve whatever debt problem the country has and to achieve this taxes have to be cut.This will be the attitude again the next time there is a republican president.

Sure do. I also remember voting their asses out in the primaries.

Your post belongs in the year 2009

It's turning out that Conservatism in the USA is just something for Liberals to bash. Some are so consumed by their hate, that the current president can get away with anything and never be held accountable by his supporters.

I voted for Bush in 2000. I was very young, and I liked what he said about ending the practice of nation building. As soon as he started "building nations" I turned on him 180 degrees (explains how I went from voting for Bush to voting for Nader) and I felt lied to, and I with many other Conservatives criticized him exactly as much as I do Obama now. Where are all the Democrats like that? Are there any?

There is as clear difference here between Conservatives and Liberals when it comes to being objective, holding those they voted for accountable for their promises and actions, and not drinking the kool-aid.

prepare yourself to being disappointed again.

[Phatscotty]

can anyone remember back to a time,not that long ago when republicans attitude was that deficits do not matter,that it would be better to grow the country's economy to solve whatever debt problem the country has and to achieve this taxes have to be cut.This will be the attitude again the next time there is a republican president.

Sure do. I also remember voting their asses out in the primaries.

Your post belongs in the year 2009

It's turning out that Conservatism in the USA is just something for Liberals to bash. Some are so consumed by their hate, that the current president can get away with anything and never be held accountable by his supporters.

I voted for Bush in 2000. I was very young, and I liked what he said about ending the practice of nation building. As soon as he started "building nations" I turned on him 180 degrees (explains how I went from voting for Bush to voting for Nader) and I felt lied to, and I with many other Conservatives criticized him exactly as much as I do Obama now. Where are all the Democrats like that? Are there any?

There is as clear difference here between Conservatives and Liberals when it comes to being objective, holding those they voted for accountable for their promises and actions, and not drinking the kool-aid.

prepare yourself to being disappointed again.

that you are a kool-aid drinking Democrat? I already knew that. I had high hopes during our live chat sessions, but it's clear that your mission is to remain silent when it's a Democrat, and focus criticisms on Republicans who really have little power to do anything at the moment.