Congrats to FreeFalling123, our new Conqueror!

[betiko]

docdice was in the top 10 in powerscore that month and ff won 2-3 bRs on his account. I doubt that if he had played those games with his own account his score would have dropped. now if someone wants to dispute the argument, I invite you to do the math for me.

[demonfork]

docdice was in the top 10 in powerscore that month and ff won 2-3 bRs on his account. I doubt that if he had played those games with his own account his score would have dropped. now if someone wants to dispute the argument, I invite you to do the math for me.

Ask Gary to do the math for you, he seems to be a wiz with those types of calculations.

[betiko]

docdice was in the top 10 in powerscore that month and ff won 2-3 bRs on his account. I doubt that if he had played those games with his own account his score would have dropped. now if someone wants to dispute the argument, I invite you to do the math for me.

Ask Gary to do the math for you, he seems to be a wiz with those types of calculations.

I haven't seen gary in ages. and when he's around he isn't as helpfull as he used to..

[demonfork]

docdice was in the top 10 in powerscore that month and ff won 2-3 bRs on his account. I doubt that if he had played those games with his own account his score would have dropped. now if someone wants to dispute the argument, I invite you to do the math for me.

Ask Gary to do the math for you, he seems to be a wiz with those types of calculations.

I haven't seen gary in ages. and when he's around he isn't as helpfull as he used to..

Well f*ck Gary then, that useless piece of shit!

[iAmCaffeine]

Funny shit. Nobody is saying he isn't a good player. People need to comprehend what they're reading.

[NoSurvivors]

Funny shit. Nobody is saying he isn't a good player. People need to comprehend what they're reading.

I found Gary!

[betiko]

Funny shit. Nobody is saying he isn't a good player. People need to comprehend what they're reading.

I found Gary!

cool!
gary can you do the math and tell me if ff would ve made it to conqueror qith the games he played on docdice's account?

also, this is like someone getting out of jail. the court gave him a punishment, he did his time.

[iAmCaffeine]

Funny shit. Nobody is saying he isn't a good player. People need to comprehend what they're reading.

I found Gary!

cool!
gary can you do the math and tell me if ff would ve made it to conqueror qith the games he played on docdice's account?

also, this is like someone getting out of jail. the court gave him a punishment, he did his time.

Then he got the reward anyway. Sounds a lot like real life politics, and that's not a mess at all.

[demonfork]

Funny shit. Nobody is saying he isn't a good player. People need to comprehend what they're reading.

No one said that Lance Armstrong was a shitty bicyclist.... Had nothing to do with whether or not he cheated.

[iAmCaffeine]

Funny shit. Nobody is saying he isn't a good player. People need to comprehend what they're reading.

No one said that Lance Armstrong was a shitty bicyclist.... Had nothing to do with whether or not he cheated.

Exactly. My point is that all the people defending FF are just arguing that he's a good player, but nobody is disagreeing with that.

[betiko]

to compare it to real life..
this is like someone who legitimately got rich and gave insider's tips to one of his friends. he got caught and sent to jail. when he got out, he still had his money, and with the fluctuating economy he became the richest while his money didn't fluctuate.

[iAmCaffeine]

That's a fair point. However, if he hadn't used DocDice's account would his score have fallen? You can argue not, but there is no proof either way. This isn't even his biggest abuse in my opinion, but that's for another time.

[betiko]

Funny shit. Nobody is saying he isn't a good player. People need to comprehend what they're reading.

No one said that Lance Armstrong was a shitty bicyclist.... Had nothing to do with whether or not he cheated.

this is completely different. lance armstrong didn't win 7 tours in a legit way. he was taking illegal products and forcing his teammates to do so. letting him keep the titles would ve been totally inapropriate as he would never have won 7 straight had he been clean.
FF got his score clean. he would've also kept (even maybe improved) his score had he played the doc dice games on his own account. no one questions the score he reached, but how he kept it.

[iAmCaffeine]

Funny shit. Nobody is saying he isn't a good player. People need to comprehend what they're reading.

No one said that Lance Armstrong was a shitty bicyclist.... Had nothing to do with whether or not he cheated.

this is completely different. lance armstrong didn't win 7 tours in a legit way. he was taking illegal products and forcing his teammates to do so. letting him keep the titles would ve been totally inapropriate as he would never have won 7 straight had he been clean.
FF got his score clean. he would've also kept (even maybe improved) his score had he played the doc dice games on his own account. no one questions the score he reached, but how he kept it.

Proof? Didn't think so.

[betiko]

holy shit... just had a look at doc dice's account... he actually played hundreds of games ton his account!

[nietzsche]

I didn't want to get in the middle of this mess, but FreeFalling is a cool dude, I've talked to him a couple of times in LC. Maybe it's worth mentioning.

[KraphtOne]

I didn't want to get in the middle of this mess, but FreeFalling is a cool dude, I've talked to him a couple of times in LC. Maybe it's worth mentioning.

Nope

[jdw35]

[quote=]"iAmCaffeine"This isn't even his biggest abuse in my opinion, but that's for another time.[/quote]

Lol what drama are you trying to start now?

[Fruitcake]

Funny shit. Nobody is saying he isn't a good player. People need to comprehend what they're reading.

No one said that Lance Armstrong was a shitty bicyclist.... Had nothing to do with whether or not he cheated.

Well actually many did after it was proven for the cheating then had to be taken into account. A cheat is a poor player, pure and simple. Some people just don't get it.

Being a good player is not just about skill, it is about character as well.

holy shit... just had a look at doc dice's account... he actually played hundreds of games ton his account!

So are you saying this guy is worse than poor old c*cksucker Charlie?

[ChrisPond]

I didn't want to get in the middle of this mess, but FreeFalling is a cool dude, I've talked to him a couple of times in LC. Maybe it's worth mentioning.

ok....i take everything i said back now...had no idea he was "cool". i thought we were discussing his position on the scoreboard and how he cheated and was banned and now comes back from a ban as the Conqueror?

As for Lance Armstrong, I was a huge fan until his cheating became proven. If you look at the sport though, i am not sure if you could determine who would have been the best during his time. Most of the top riders from his time have been busted for doping. If you watch the sport, it is totally different and they don't climb mountains like they used to.

now my ADD has kicked in and I don't know why I am talking about lance anyway...

Summary:
Freefalling=cool if you have talked to him in LC (what does LC mean?)
Freefalling=caught cheater if we are talking about Conquer club
Lance Armstrong=cheater
cycling during Armstrong area=rider with best chemist wins
Cycling now=dirty sport that appears to be cleaning up (maybe?)
Gary=math wizard that no one has seen lately that can provide Freefalls true score

lock this one up....it is settled. "el blanco pond guy from Iowa has spoken"

[nietzsche]

I didn't want to get in the middle of this mess, but FreeFalling is a cool dude, I've talked to him a couple of times in LC. Maybe it's worth mentioning.

nevermind, he sucks balls

[BigBallinStalin]

Funny shit. Nobody is saying he isn't a good player. People need to comprehend what they're reading.

No one said that Lance Armstrong was a shitty bicyclist.... Had nothing to do with whether or not he cheated.

Well actually many did after it was proven for the cheating then had to be taken into account. A cheat is a poor player, pure and simple. Some people just don't get it.

Being a good player is not just about skill, it is about character as well.

Would you consider all the gray-area products and numerous supplements which bicyclists take make them poor players? It's pretty arbitrary for people to hate on Lance Armstrong for taking chemical B while everyone has been taking chemicals C through M. Wouldn't you agree?

[Fruitcake]

Funny shit. Nobody is saying he isn't a good player. People need to comprehend what they're reading.

No one said that Lance Armstrong was a shitty bicyclist.... Had nothing to do with whether or not he cheated.

Well actually many did after it was proven for the cheating then had to be taken into account. A cheat is a poor player, pure and simple. Some people just don't get it.

Being a good player is not just about skill, it is about character as well.

Would you consider all the gray-area products and numerous supplements which bicyclists take make them poor players? It's pretty arbitrary for people to hate on Lance Armstrong for taking chemical B while everyone has been taking chemicals C through M. Wouldn't you agree?

The simple answer is...what is within the rules is legal, what is outside the rules isn't.

I am not expert enough to judge anything else regarding cyclists.

[BigBallinStalin]

Sounds like the law is arbitrary.

For example, if method A was not explicitly against the law (since there has yet to be a law against), then players would use A. If there comes a law against A, and if those players stop using A, does it follow that those players are poor players?

All I'm saying is that the law is arbitrary and so are people's judgments are sportsmanship in regard to substances (and scripts, for that matter).

This is why a sole Appeal to Authority (e.g. the Law) is usually fallacious.

[betiko]

The worse thing about Armstrong is the way he denied being a cheat and how insulting he was towards french people because french journalists were telling the truth about him. He was so convincing that all americans believed him and that gave us the worse sore loser reputation. I remember some stand up comedy jokes by that asshat robin williams. Funny how he didn t show up to apologize once armstrong was forced to tell the truth.

Armstrong was really a disgusting person, he was a bully towards his teammates, he never tried to back up floyd landis when he got caught; he pulled some political strings to keep his cheatings secret, it was all about himself and he didn t care how much damage his lies would bring. When he had to admit he really had no choice, too many evidence. There were already enough evidence a few years back but for some reason the french were liars.