Yeah, he's cool. It's just that his tracks are so....fucking good. Listening to charmaine or Suzanne is like fucking up your good mood with a chainsaw. It's depressing, but brilliant.nagerous wrote:thought he was cool 'cos he supported arsenal.
Is Rap misogynistic?
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Re: Is Rap misogynistic?
"Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill."
Duane: You know what they say about love and war.
Tim: Yes, one involves a lot of physical and psychological pain, and the other one's war.
Duane: You know what they say about love and war.
Tim: Yes, one involves a lot of physical and psychological pain, and the other one's war.
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Re: Is Rap misogynistic?
7-5-7 not 7-5-6InkL0sed wrote:I'm a smart motherfuckerhecter wrote:Examples?pimpdave wrote:Well apparently you think so, Mandyb. You provided no examples of any rap that wasn't misogynistic.
You can find examples like that from all styles of poetry, not just rap.
If you don't like it
I'll shoot you in the face
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Re: Is Rap misogynistic?
God I hate rap,period.Thank you.
Re: Is Rap misogynistic?
*shoots Grooveman in the face*Grooveman2007 wrote:7-5-7 not 7-5-6InkL0sed wrote:I'm a smart motherfuckerhecter wrote:Examples?pimpdave wrote:Well apparently you think so, Mandyb. You provided no examples of any rap that wasn't misogynistic.
You can find examples like that from all styles of poetry, not just rap.
If you don't like it
I'll shoot you in the face
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Re: Is Rap misogynistic?
*makes a reference to pimps and ho's*InkL0sed wrote:*shoots Grooveman in the face*Grooveman2007 wrote:7-5-7 not 7-5-6InkL0sed wrote:I'm a smart motherfuckerhecter wrote:Examples?pimpdave wrote:Well apparently you think so, Mandyb. You provided no examples of any rap that wasn't misogynistic.
You can find examples like that from all styles of poetry, not just rap.
If you don't like it
I'll shoot you in the face
"Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill."
Duane: You know what they say about love and war.
Tim: Yes, one involves a lot of physical and psychological pain, and the other one's war.
Duane: You know what they say about love and war.
Tim: Yes, one involves a lot of physical and psychological pain, and the other one's war.
Re: Is Rap misogynistic?
Lots of rap artists don't put misogyny in their music, but sometimes by one verse in one song pops up and contains abuse of women. You can't truley get rid of misogyny from happening even if you try. A little bit shouldn't seriosly bother someone.
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Never been a rap fan, and usually can't be bothered to give it enough attention to hear what they're singing. Reading some of the above lyrics reassures me that I probably have better things to do with my time.
Aren't there any man-hating girl rappers?
Aren't there any man-hating girl rappers?
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Re: Is Rap misogynistic?
Well if there were I bet they probably got smacked done by Biggie Smalls and Tupac a while back. Those guys made mean dissing video. As for right now I don't think so.jonesthecurl wrote:Never been a rap fan, and usually can't be bothered to give it enough attention to hear what they're singing. Reading some of the above lyrics reassures me that I probably have better things to do with my time.
Aren't there any man-hating girl rappers?
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Re: Is Rap misogynistic?
Word. Everything predominately dominated by men will have misogynistic things. Like women talk about men, so do men talk about women, it's just that men are overrepresented in music so you'll notice it there earlier.william18 wrote:Lots of rap artists don't put misogyny in their music, but sometimes by one verse in one song pops up and contains abuse of women. You can't truley get rid of misogyny from happening even if you try. A little bit shouldn't seriosly bother someone.
"Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill."
Duane: You know what they say about love and war.
Tim: Yes, one involves a lot of physical and psychological pain, and the other one's war.
Duane: You know what they say about love and war.
Tim: Yes, one involves a lot of physical and psychological pain, and the other one's war.
Re: Is Rap misogynistic?
Little somethin for my godson Elijah and a little girl named Corinne
[Verse One:]
Some say the blacker the berry, the sweeter the juice
I say the darker the flesh then the deeper the roots
I give a holler to my sisters on welfare
Tupac cares, and don't nobody else care
And uhh, I know they like to beat ya down a lot
When you come around the block brothas clown a lot
But please don't cry, dry your eyes, never let up
Forgive but don't forget, girl keep your head up
And when he tells you you ain't nuttin don't believe him
And if he can't learn to love you you should leave him
Cause sista you don't need him
And I ain't tryin to gas ya up, I just call em how I see em
You know it makes me unhappy (what's that)
When brothas make babies, and leave a young mother to be a pappy
And since we all came from a woman
Got our name from a woman and our game from a woman
I wonder why we take from our women
Why we rape our women, do we hate our women?
I think it's time to kill for our women
Time to heal our women, be real to our women
And if we don't we'll have a race of babies
That will hate the ladies, that make the babies
And since a man can't make one
He has no right to tell a woman when and where to create one
So will the real men get up
I know you're fed up ladies, but keep your head up
[Chorus]
Keep ya head up, oooo child things are gonna get easier
ooooo child things are gonna get brighter [2x]
[Verse Two:]
Aiyyo, I remember Marvin Gaye, used to sing ta me
He had me feelin like black was tha thing to be
And suddenly tha ghetto didn't seem so tough
And though we had it rough, we always had enough
I huffed and puffed about my curfew and broke the rules
Ran with the local crew, and had a smoke or two
And I realize momma really paid the price
She nearly gave her life, to raise me right
And all I had ta give her was my pipe dream
Of how I'd rock the mic, and make it to tha bright screen
I'm tryin to make a dollar out of fifteen cents
It's hard to be legit and still pay tha rent
And in the end it seems I'm headin for tha pen
I try and find my friends, but they're blowin in the wind
Last night my buddy lost his whole family
It's gonna take the man in me to conquer this insanity
It seems tha rain'll never let up
I try to keep my head up, and still keep from gettin wet up
You know it's funny when it rains it pours
They got money for wars, but can't feed the poor
Say there ain't no hope for the youth and the truth is
it ain't no hope for tha future
And then they wonder why we crazy
I blame my mother, for turning my brother into a crack baby
We ain't meant to survive, cause it's a setup
And even though you're fed up
Huh, ya got to keep your head up
[Chorus]
[Verse Three:]
And uhh
To all the ladies havin babies on they own
I know it's kinda rough and you're feelin all alone
Daddy's long gone and he left you by ya lonesome
Thank the Lord for my kids, even if nobody else want em
Cause I think we can make it, in fact, I'm sure
And if you fall, stand tall and comeback for more
Cause ain't nuttin worse than when your son
wants to kno why his daddy don't love him no mo'
You can't complain you was dealt this
hell of a hand without a man, feelin helpless
Because there's too many things for you to deal with
Dying inside, but outside you're looking fearless
While tears, is rollin down your cheeks
Ya steady hopin things don't all down this week
Cause if it did, you couldn't take it, and don't blame me
I was given this world I didn't make it
And now my son's getten older and older and cold
From havin the world on his shoulders
While the rich kids is drivin Benz
I'm still tryin to hold on to my survivin friends
And it's crazy, it seems it'll never let up, but
please... you got to keep your head up
Brenda got a baby:
I hear Brenda's got a baby
But, Brenda's barely got a brain
A damn shame
Tha girl can hardly spell her name
(That's not our problem, that's up ta Brenda's family)
Well let me show ya how it affects tha whole community
Now Brenda never really knew her moms and her dad was a junky
Went in debt to his arms, it's sad
Cause I bet Brenda doesn't even know
Just cause your in tha ghetto doesn't mean ya can't grow
But oh, that's a thought, my own revelation
Do whatever it takes ta resist tha temptation
Brenda got herself a boyfriend
Her boyfriend was her cousin, now lets watch tha joy end
She tried to hide her pregnancy, from her family
Who didn't really care to see, or give a damn if she
Went out and had a church of kids
As long as when tha check came they got first dibs
Now Brendas belly is gettin bigger
But no one seems ta notice any change in her figure
She's 12 years old and she's having a baby
In love with tha molester, whos sexin her crazy
And yet she thinks that he'll be with her forever
And dreams of a world with tha two of them are together, whatever
He left her and she had tha baby solo,
she had it on tha bathroom floor
And didn't know so, she didn't know, what ta throw away and what ta keep
She wrapped tha baby up and threw him in tha trash heep
I guess she thought she'd get away
Wouldn't hear tha cries
She didn't realize
How much tha tha little baby had her eyes
Now tha babys in tha trash heep balling
Momma can't help her, but it hurts ta hear her calling
Brenda wants ta run away
Momma say, you makin' me lose pay, tha social workers here everyday
Now Brenda's gotta make her own way
Can't go to her family, they won't let her stay
No money no babysitter, she couldn't keep a job
She tried ta sell crack, but end up getting robbed
So now what's next, there ain't nothin left ta sell
So she sees sex as a way of leavin hell
It's payin tha rent, so she really can't complain
Prostitute, found slain, and Brenda's her name, she's got a baby
[Verse One:]
Some say the blacker the berry, the sweeter the juice
I say the darker the flesh then the deeper the roots
I give a holler to my sisters on welfare
Tupac cares, and don't nobody else care
And uhh, I know they like to beat ya down a lot
When you come around the block brothas clown a lot
But please don't cry, dry your eyes, never let up
Forgive but don't forget, girl keep your head up
And when he tells you you ain't nuttin don't believe him
And if he can't learn to love you you should leave him
Cause sista you don't need him
And I ain't tryin to gas ya up, I just call em how I see em
You know it makes me unhappy (what's that)
When brothas make babies, and leave a young mother to be a pappy
And since we all came from a woman
Got our name from a woman and our game from a woman
I wonder why we take from our women
Why we rape our women, do we hate our women?
I think it's time to kill for our women
Time to heal our women, be real to our women
And if we don't we'll have a race of babies
That will hate the ladies, that make the babies
And since a man can't make one
He has no right to tell a woman when and where to create one
So will the real men get up
I know you're fed up ladies, but keep your head up
[Chorus]
Keep ya head up, oooo child things are gonna get easier
ooooo child things are gonna get brighter [2x]
[Verse Two:]
Aiyyo, I remember Marvin Gaye, used to sing ta me
He had me feelin like black was tha thing to be
And suddenly tha ghetto didn't seem so tough
And though we had it rough, we always had enough
I huffed and puffed about my curfew and broke the rules
Ran with the local crew, and had a smoke or two
And I realize momma really paid the price
She nearly gave her life, to raise me right
And all I had ta give her was my pipe dream
Of how I'd rock the mic, and make it to tha bright screen
I'm tryin to make a dollar out of fifteen cents
It's hard to be legit and still pay tha rent
And in the end it seems I'm headin for tha pen
I try and find my friends, but they're blowin in the wind
Last night my buddy lost his whole family
It's gonna take the man in me to conquer this insanity
It seems tha rain'll never let up
I try to keep my head up, and still keep from gettin wet up
You know it's funny when it rains it pours
They got money for wars, but can't feed the poor
Say there ain't no hope for the youth and the truth is
it ain't no hope for tha future
And then they wonder why we crazy
I blame my mother, for turning my brother into a crack baby
We ain't meant to survive, cause it's a setup
And even though you're fed up
Huh, ya got to keep your head up
[Chorus]
[Verse Three:]
And uhh
To all the ladies havin babies on they own
I know it's kinda rough and you're feelin all alone
Daddy's long gone and he left you by ya lonesome
Thank the Lord for my kids, even if nobody else want em
Cause I think we can make it, in fact, I'm sure
And if you fall, stand tall and comeback for more
Cause ain't nuttin worse than when your son
wants to kno why his daddy don't love him no mo'
You can't complain you was dealt this
hell of a hand without a man, feelin helpless
Because there's too many things for you to deal with
Dying inside, but outside you're looking fearless
While tears, is rollin down your cheeks
Ya steady hopin things don't all down this week
Cause if it did, you couldn't take it, and don't blame me
I was given this world I didn't make it
And now my son's getten older and older and cold
From havin the world on his shoulders
While the rich kids is drivin Benz
I'm still tryin to hold on to my survivin friends
And it's crazy, it seems it'll never let up, but
please... you got to keep your head up
Brenda got a baby:
I hear Brenda's got a baby
But, Brenda's barely got a brain
A damn shame
Tha girl can hardly spell her name
(That's not our problem, that's up ta Brenda's family)
Well let me show ya how it affects tha whole community
Now Brenda never really knew her moms and her dad was a junky
Went in debt to his arms, it's sad
Cause I bet Brenda doesn't even know
Just cause your in tha ghetto doesn't mean ya can't grow
But oh, that's a thought, my own revelation
Do whatever it takes ta resist tha temptation
Brenda got herself a boyfriend
Her boyfriend was her cousin, now lets watch tha joy end
She tried to hide her pregnancy, from her family
Who didn't really care to see, or give a damn if she
Went out and had a church of kids
As long as when tha check came they got first dibs
Now Brendas belly is gettin bigger
But no one seems ta notice any change in her figure
She's 12 years old and she's having a baby
In love with tha molester, whos sexin her crazy
And yet she thinks that he'll be with her forever
And dreams of a world with tha two of them are together, whatever
He left her and she had tha baby solo,
she had it on tha bathroom floor
And didn't know so, she didn't know, what ta throw away and what ta keep
She wrapped tha baby up and threw him in tha trash heep
I guess she thought she'd get away
Wouldn't hear tha cries
She didn't realize
How much tha tha little baby had her eyes
Now tha babys in tha trash heep balling
Momma can't help her, but it hurts ta hear her calling
Brenda wants ta run away
Momma say, you makin' me lose pay, tha social workers here everyday
Now Brenda's gotta make her own way
Can't go to her family, they won't let her stay
No money no babysitter, she couldn't keep a job
She tried ta sell crack, but end up getting robbed
So now what's next, there ain't nothin left ta sell
So she sees sex as a way of leavin hell
It's payin tha rent, so she really can't complain
Prostitute, found slain, and Brenda's her name, she's got a baby
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Re: Is Rap misogynistic?
This thread is very tedious to read.
The big trouble with dumb bastards is that they are too dumb to believe there is such a thing as being smart.
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Re: Is Rap misogynistic?
I believe so. At least a few female rappers who rap about treating men like shit. Example: Rah Digga, who is a friend of Busta Rhymes and often raps with him.jonesthecurl wrote:
Aren't there any man-hating girl rappers?
"Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill."
Duane: You know what they say about love and war.
Tim: Yes, one involves a lot of physical and psychological pain, and the other one's war.
Duane: You know what they say about love and war.
Tim: Yes, one involves a lot of physical and psychological pain, and the other one's war.
Re: Is Rap misogynistic?
not his best verse, but it's still crazy impressive that he could go that long using the l.s.d.l.s.d.l.s.d.....Aesop Rock wrote:Lazy summer days
Like some decrepit landshark dumbluck squad dog lurks sicker, deluded
Last sturdy domino leans secluded
Don't let stupid delusions lesson super-duty labor students
Dragnet lifer solutions
Daddy loves sloppy dimensions like son-daughter links
Such determinated leopards, successfully disshelved
Little soliders developed like serpents despite life sentence ducking
lemmings
Some don't like sobriety's dirty lenses
Some do let sleeping dogs lie still
Don't look so damn lackluster
Suck defeat
Love some damage, load sample delete
Late Show, Dave Letterman, shitty diner lip-slide dutch
Low self-discipline leader seek that lung self-destruct
Life sucks dickhead
Lost summer's display laminate showcasing divinity
Live system definitive
Liturgy soaked the pig lowly, spectactular delight
Why, what kind of L.S.D. you like?
Re: Is Rap misogynistic?
Yeah Tupac never said anything about mistreating women, besides Hit em-up, when he starts insulting Biggie.nagerous wrote:2 examples of non misogynistic rap by tupac.
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Brenda got a baby is particularly a good one.nagerous wrote:2 examples of non misogynistic rap by tupac.
Many well-known rappers have shown they're not one-dimensional like Mandy thinks. Ice Cube put on the same album "Givin up the Nappy Dugout" and "Us", which show he wasn't that worried about his message getting confused. If you can include a song about a women who is a slut and a song about how that image is a result of the culture on the same album, it's pretty obvious that your statement isn't about bitches and ho's.
"Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill."
Duane: You know what they say about love and war.
Tim: Yes, one involves a lot of physical and psychological pain, and the other one's war.
Duane: You know what they say about love and war.
Tim: Yes, one involves a lot of physical and psychological pain, and the other one's war.
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Re: Is Rap misogynistic?
Well it goes to show doesn't it? That mistreating women-stuff wasn't about actually doing it but more of a joke.william18 wrote:Yeah Tupac never said anything about mistreating women, besides Hit em-up, when he starts insulting Biggie.nagerous wrote:2 examples of non misogynistic rap by tupac.
"Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill."
Duane: You know what they say about love and war.
Tim: Yes, one involves a lot of physical and psychological pain, and the other one's war.
Duane: You know what they say about love and war.
Tim: Yes, one involves a lot of physical and psychological pain, and the other one's war.
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My kids liked my contribution to the rap scene:
You getta big tortilla, that's a type of...BREAD.
You put in sum chicken and ya stuff it in ya ...HEAD.
AN' that's a Chicken Wrap.
Yeah a Chicken Rap.
You getta big tortilla, that's a type of...BREAD.
You put in sum chicken and ya stuff it in ya ...HEAD.
AN' that's a Chicken Wrap.
Yeah a Chicken Rap.
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Random interruption as Grooveman rises from the grave: This is terrible haiku. You used 7/5/6. Make "I'll" "I will" for success.InkL0sed wrote:I'm a smart motherfucker
If you don't like it
I'll shoot you in the face
Props if you got it.
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Re: Is Rap misogynistic?
oh mandy how u use ur sexy name ..........and i guess ur sexy avatar to trap the men and boys into posting to ur femenist threads ingenius i do say
JACKAZZTJM› yea off to myspace a depressing social networking site with no social interaction! thats y i like cc at least u gotta use ur mind to hang on here!
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Re: Is Rap misogynistic?
If you listen to Lil kim she enjoys it.....there is also plenty of man hating music it's just not as vulgar as rap.
Re: Is Rap misogynistic?
Thing is Mandy, even it is mysoginstiuc, free speech etc -you start banning music, where does that lead.
Re: Is Rap misogynistic?
Tipper Gore's house?swiftred wrote:Thing is Mandy, even it is mysoginstiuc, free speech etc -you start banning music, where does that lead.
Re: Is Rap misogynistic?
But should you be allowed to freely talk hateful and dering remarks? Free speech is necessary for a thriving culture in today's world, but where does it cross the line?swiftred wrote:Thing is Mandy, even it is mysoginstiuc, free speech etc -you start banning music, where does that lead.
Re: Is Rap misogynistic?
yeah, thats always the prob, like race hatred etc just pointing it -you want to start from the position of, is this really doing much harm? in the case of rap, its notIliad wrote:But should you be allowed to freely talk hateful and dering remarks? Free speech is necessary for a thriving culture in today's world, but where does it cross the line?swiftred wrote:Thing is Mandy, even it is mysoginstiuc, free speech etc -you start banning music, where does that lead.