Will We Ever Find Osama Bin Ladin?

P Gizzle · Post by **P Gizzle** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:53 pm

in response, americans are not all fat, arrogant and stupid. i know im not fat, i dont think im arrogant, and i'm pretty sure im not stupid....crazy, but not stupid

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:00 pm

Don't sweat it owheelj, these kids dont even know where Tasmania is. I am sure they will ask you for an autograph from "Taz" soon though. :lol:

owheelj · Post by **owheelj** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:00 pm

lol,

There are no cannibals in Tasmania. As far as I know there is no evidence to suggest that there has ever been cannibals in Tasmania. Possibly there are crazy people who have eaten people occasionally in how history. Actually there was a famous bush ranger who got lost in the Tasmanian wilderness and ended up eating some of his friends to survive - but that was over 100 years ago. Australian society is just like American society except we are skinnier, more humble and more intelligent

(I'm joking about that last part).

P Gizzle · Post by **P Gizzle** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:02 pm

owheelj wrote:lol,

There are no cannibals in Tasmania. As far as I know there is no evidence to suggest that there has ever been cannibals in Tasmania. Possibly there are crazy people who have eaten people occasionally in how history. Actually there was a famous bush ranger who got lost in the Tasmanian wilderness and ended up eating some of his friends to survive - but that was over 100 years ago. Australian society is just like American society except we are skinnier, more humble and more intelligent (I'm joking about that last part).

on the last part your probably right :wink:

btw i know where tazmania is

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:07 pm

P Gizzle wrote:btw i know where tazmania is

OK, but do you know where Tasmania is? :lol:

P Gizzle · Post by **P Gizzle** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:09 pm

haha! allright, im not good at typing, i admit! im horrible

2dimes · Post by **2dimes** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:39 pm

Sammy gags wrote:
2dimes wrote:Is that some relative to Osama?

Helga Muckenhirn? sounds german or russian, or lithuanian 2 me

No I was referring to the Asama BinLadin from the origional title.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:43 am

Backglass wrote:I certainly hope so.

HE and his team attacked the USA on September 11th. Not Iraq.

Will you get over it?

slash1890 · Post by **slash1890** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:08 am

jay_a2j wrote:
Backglass wrote:I certainly hope so.

HE and his team attacked the USA on September 11th. Not Iraq.

Will you get over it?

Hey, hey, stop it.

I do believe this is an

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:55 am

jay_a2j wrote:
Backglass wrote:I certainly hope so.

HE and his team attacked the USA on September 11th. Not Iraq.

Will you get over it?

Damned commie pinko liberal bastards and their unpatriotic truth!

:waves magic flag to make it all go away:

gavin_sidhu · Post by **gavin_sidhu** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:14 am

owheelj wrote:yes the people in Tasmania are cannibals. We don't live in houses - we live in mud huts and when we can't eat human we eat Tasmanian Devils. American meat is the best because it's marbled. We have no electricity but we have super powers which is how I'm posting on the internet.

U forgot to mention that the population of tasmania is approximately 40 and that ur all imbred and like to have family wet t-shirt competitions. (thats what ive heard anyway).

Boxcutta · Post by **Boxcutta** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:15 am

heavycola wrote:Damned commie pinko liberal bastards and their unpatriotic truth!

:waves magic flag to make it all go away:

God bless 'merica...and no where else.

Right, jay?

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:56 am

jay_a2j wrote:
Backglass wrote:I certainly hope so.

HE and his team attacked the USA on September 11th. Not Iraq.

Will you get over it?

I will never get over September 11th. SHAME on you for forgetting who attacked us.

Roger Dodger · Post by **Roger Dodger** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:40 am

To answer the question YES Damn straight i believe they'll catch that criminal. And, i hope they torture him slowly daily minute by minute as painfully as possible bleed him out then pump him back up for more make it last yrs & yrs & yrs. that's what i want. I want everyone that lost a friend, family to have the opportunity to have a piece of hs freakin' radical butt.
no death sentence just plain torture for him, his comrades and his family.

did i say enough!~ i'm sure i haven't.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:01 am

Backglass wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
Backglass wrote:I certainly hope so.

HE and his team attacked the USA on September 11th. Not Iraq.

Will you get over it?

I will never get over September 11th. SHAME on you for forgetting who attacked us.

I was not refering to 9/11. I was refreing to the Iraq war. We did it. Its to late to undo it. GET OVER IT!

owheelj · Post by **owheelj** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:15 am

Obviously you feel very emotional about this issue.

Now for a moment imagine being a Palestinian who has suffered having your home taken away from you by foreign invaders (to you), having your children killed by an aggressive military and having hundreds of thousands of your country men killed.

I'm not in anyway saying that this would justify any actions taken but can you imagine that somebody in the position I'm laying out would feel equally angry and hateful towards those people - regardless of if there were any justification relating to those actions or not?

When the 9/11 attacks happened there were 3 demands made by the terrorists.

1. US to stop supporting Israel

2. US to remove soldiers from Mecca

3. US to stop supporting dictators in the Middle East

Now I completely understand how you feel. I too feel very, very strongly that killing innocent people to further your political goals is completely immoral and intolerable and should never ever be accepted but I think it is really, really important to understand how other people feel - what leads them to these actions? I don't accept the "they are just evil" argument, I think there is more to any action than just that. Definitely they should be punished - it would be impossible to deny justice to the many victims and friends and family to the victims; and indeed not just to those people but even to people like myself who knew nobody in those attacks but still find it one of the most significant events in my life. However we also need learn from the tragedy. I'm not in any way saying that the US brought these attacks on themselves or that they "deserved" them. People should not take responsibility for other people's actions nor should they blame themselves for such abhorrant crimes however we having had this occur once, I feel we owe it to the victims to try our hardest not to let it happen again, otherwise their lives really were lost in vain. Part of the reason behind these attacks is a great feeling of injustice and hatred felt by the Islamic community, especially in the Middle East. I'm not saying that in any way that this feeling is justified - I don't know if it is or isn't. However it is pretty clear that they feel very similar to the way Roger Doger feels. I think if we could understand this, if we could appreciate our similarities and relate to each other there would be a lot less conflict in the world.

History shows us that unresolved conflicts don't go away and that the hatred builds up until the different sides get to a stage where peace is impossible. Are we building that environment for our children? Will we still be fighting the "war on terror" in 100 years? I don't think there are any easy solutions to this conflict but I think the first step to resolution is understanding each other. We don't need to agree with why they carried out their actions or approve of it or tolerate it, we just need to understand it.

Roger Dodger · Post by **Roger Dodger** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:31 am

why are you wearing a Marine Uniform?

first of all the palestinian thing has been happening since like forever. what about the suicide bombers. is that okay too.

I AM pro-Israel. not pro-Palestinian. War is hell everyone is a casualty and, you know why because good mommys & daddys use their kids as shields. well, a family that fights together should die together.
can you honestly say you can, in a state of war seperate a friend from a foe? can you do that?

A holy war ? and a war for a spit of land?. Israel was willing to compromise but, palestine wants it all. well, what,

Fireside Poet · Post by **Fireside Poet** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:39 am

Passing thoughts...

Perhaps if the U.N. would pass another resolution against the terrorists, they will stop suicide bombing. Hey, it worked for Iraq, right? :roll:

owheelj · Post by **owheelj** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:05 pm

Roger Dodger wrote:why are you wearing a Marine Uniform?

That's not a picture of me - it's a picture of Major Michael Mori. He's the defence lawyer for David Hicks - the only Australian left in detention at Guantanamo Bay. He's a very big hero of mine because I see him as one of the very few people in the world who has integrity and does what is right, not what is best for their own agendas.

I AM pro-Israel. not pro-Palestinian. War is hell everyone is a casualty and, you know why because good mommys & daddys use their kids as shields. well, a family that fights together should die together.
can you honestly say you can, in a state of war seperate a friend from a foe? can you do that?

A holy war ? and a war for a spit of land?. Israel was willing to compromise but, palestine wants it all. well, what,

I'm not questioning who is right or wrong, good or bad. I'm asking you to try to relate to how some of the Palestinian people feel. I'm asking you to understand them.

Roger Dodger · Post by **Roger Dodger** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:26 pm

The Marine is just following orders. remember that..

nothing personal

owheelj · Post by **owheelj** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:39 pm

Well I think there is more to it than that. He's constantly attacked his government and the decisions of many of the people within the US military. He has stated on a number of occasions that what the US military is doing in many areas is wrong and immoral. His job was just to defend David Hicks in the military tribunals but instead he has criticised the military tribunals as being unjust, as well as the treatment of David Hicks and the validity of the Gauntanamo Bay prison. I don't think the US military would pay somebody to publically criticise them and call their actions immoral.

Roger Dodger · Post by **Roger Dodger** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:13 pm

then he shouldn't be a Marine. speaking against the Government per the

UCMJ ::: for you that means: Uniform Code Of Military Justice.

CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS
Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
889. ART. 89 DISRESPECT TOWARD SUPERIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER
Any person subject to this chapter who behaves with disrespect toward his superior commissioned officer shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:19 pm

owheelj wrote:Will we still be fighting the "war on terror" in 100 years?

Sadly, I believe so...if anyone is still around.

Whether we like it or not, it is now a religious war and those never die.

Roger Dodger · Post by **Roger Dodger** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:22 pm

no kidding

owheelj · Post by **owheelj** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:30 pm

Roger Dodger wrote:then he shouldn't be a Marine. speaking against the Government per the

UCMJ ::: for you that means: Uniform Code Of Military Justice.

CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS
Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
889. ART. 89 DISRESPECT TOWARD SUPERIOR COMMISSIONED OFFICER
Any person subject to this chapter who behaves with disrespect toward his superior commissioned officer shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

He doesn't show disrespect to those people or use contemptuous words - he just says that what they're doing is a violation of US law and of international law. Although that said efforts were made to silence him at one point but they failed.

Will We Ever Find Osama Bin Ladin?

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