Why Didn't Pastor Manning Vote for Obama?

[black elk speaks]

Maybe black people voted for Obama because he was the best choice of president?

Of course - anyone making threads such as this is too stupid to work that one out.

C.

If that were to be the case, Ron Paul would have seized the black vote. Why did YOU vote for Obama?

As stated before - British people couldn't vote for you... although for the last 8 years the rest of the world has been regretting that particular decision as then Bush wouldn't've gotten into power.

If I could've voted - yes I would've voted for Obama because
a) He's actually going to live for 4 years (short of some dubious assassination)

Because you know exactly when someone is going to die. BO is just as much a death risk because of a "dubious assassination"

b) His Vice President isn't bigotted & stupid.

Open for interpretation. He is hypocritical when it comes to sharing this wealth. over the last 10 years, after earning a total of $2,450,042.00 (thats about 2.5 million dollars) he only donated $3,690.00 To charity. But he is perfectly willing to take my money and give it to whomever he wants.

c) His policies on the economy were far superior

Corporate bailouts and higher taxes are not economy friendly. But in this, all republicrats fail.

d) His policies on healthcare mean that poor people can afford not to die.
that has yet to be seen.

e) He didn't need to pander to the bible bashing belt to win the election.

just to the opposite end of the spectrum, gutless liberal turds that only wanted to punish republicans for bush, not vote for a better candidate.

f) His environmental policies are much better.

ding ding ding... you got one! Only its not affordable, and will have such an impact on the economy that we will, as families across America, struggle to keept the lights on, if he doesn't bankrupt the power companies and turn them in to state owned and operated facilities first, similar to banks and soon the auto makers of America.

Does that help?
considerably, thanks.
C.

Socialism of the worst kind, here we come!

[yeti_c]

Socialism of the worst kind, here we come!

Keep on spouting the anti-socialism rhetoric - and someone might actually believe you - and think you know what you're on about?!

C.

[black elk speaks]

Socialism of the worst kind, here we come!

Keep on spouting the anti-socialism rhetoric - and someone might actually believe you - and think you know what you're on about?!

C.

Please feel free to make a case of opposition at your earliest convenience.

[yeti_c]

Socialism of the worst kind, here we come!

Keep on spouting the anti-socialism rhetoric - and someone might actually believe you - and think you know what you're on about?!

C.

Please feel free to make a case of opposition at your earliest convenience.

I don't need to.

C.

[black elk speaks]

Socialism of the worst kind, here we come!

Keep on spouting the anti-socialism rhetoric - and someone might actually believe you - and think you know what you're on about?!

C.

Please feel free to make a case of opposition at your earliest convenience.

I don't need to.

C.

Correct again sir... thats 2 for you today. You are on a roll. You don't need to because there is no good long term case for socialism. It drags the nation that subscribes to it into the toilet, much as it is now doing to the US and the rest of the world. when we are in the full throws of Great Depression 2 (GD2) there will be no universal health care, or health care of any kind, or food, or jobs, or anything resembling anything if normal civilization. We will be living in tent cities and fighting for food scraps in the trash.

[yeti_c]

Keep on spouting the anti-socialism rhetoric - and someone might actually believe you - and think you know what you're on about?!

C.

[black elk speaks]

Keep on spouting the anti-socialism rhetoric - and someone might actually believe you - and think you know what you're on about?!

C.

Are you feeling your mind change?

[got tonkaed]

BES: the reason people dont take time to spell out reasonable arguments is because you have gone so far down your path, that it is a waste of everyones time (other than maybe to put thoughts into words) to do so. I dont take the effort to make reasonable arguments with you for the same reasons that i dont try to get very socially conservative people to buy into arguments of choice. Its just not worth it. We get the point, you think collectivism is slavery, and its possible that it is under some lenses. But the simple truth is that there is clearly more than your way to look at the issue, and you seem indefensibly unaware of this concept.

Which is why i spend far more of my time pointing out little factually inaccurate statements you make. Its easier to point out when you are overstepping reasonable statements that to actually discuss any issue at all with you. Kind of sad for you really if you arent just trolling.

[black elk speaks]

BES: the reason people dont take time to spell out reasonable arguments is because you have gone so far down your path, that it is a waste of everyones time (other than maybe to put thoughts into words) to do so. I dont take the effort to make reasonable arguments with you for the same reasons that i dont try to get very socially conservative people to buy into arguments of choice. Its just not worth it. We get the point, you think collectivism is slavery, and its possible that it is under some lenses. But the simple truth is that there is clearly more than your way to look at the issue, and you seem indefensibly unaware of this concept.

Which is why i spend far more of my time pointing out little factually inaccurate statements you make. Its easier to point out when you are overstepping reasonable statements that to actually discuss any issue at all with you. Kind of sad for you really if you arent just trolling.

Have I trolled this thread at all? Or are you just so inclined to assume that a difference in opinion from that which you hold has to simply be mockery? I don't appreciate your statements here because it means that you simply are satisfied that things are slipping towards the current left ens of the spectrum. And yet, I daresay that you will be the one whinging on and on about things when they swing the other way. Its deplorable.

For a leftist, you sure aren't fair. But then, I guess that is a statement of redundancy, isn't it.

[Snorri1234]

Have I trolled this thread at all? Or are you just so inclined to assume that a difference in opinion from that which you hold has to simply be mockery?

In your case, yes.

[black elk speaks]

Have I trolled this thread at all? Or are you just so inclined to assume that a difference in opinion from that which you hold has to simply be mockery?

In your case, yes.

You are a bigger troll than I. Your opinion matters not!

[Snorri1234]

Have I trolled this thread at all? Or are you just so inclined to assume that a difference in opinion from that which you hold has to simply be mockery?

In your case, yes.

You are a bigger troll than I. Your opinion matters not!

I am not saying that you are trolling here. I am saying that your opinions are so ridiculous that people will asume or hope you are trolling.

[black elk speaks]

Have I trolled this thread at all? Or are you just so inclined to assume that a difference in opinion from that which you hold has to simply be mockery?

In your case, yes.

You are a bigger troll than I. Your opinion matters not!

I am not saying that you are trolling here. I am saying that your opinions are so ridiculous that people will asume or hope you are trolling.

whatever!

I think the same thing of your "give everything to everybody" bullshit idea of a Utopian world. get off your lazy fat ass and earn your keep. If you get sick and die because you can't leave the McDonald's value meal, cigarettes and malt liquor alone, then die in a fucking alley for all I care. its stupid, worthless and lazy bastards that cling to the underbelly of society that jack up the cost of health care, along with the un-insured immigrants that sneak into our country (illegally I might add) and take advantage of liberal, bleeding heart nut jobs that can't say, "sorry, you are not a citizen of this country, nor are you insured to receive service here. I am sorry that you got into a drunken knife fight and your guts are in that walmart bag over there, but you are just going to have to end your stupid life in an American alley somewhere."

There are rules that need to be followed and procedures to guide people through. Since we allow people to just say "f*ck that, I just want mine now" and skirt the rules because they are too stupid to adhere to them, we are going to sink the standard of living for those that do follow and adhere to them, so that we can all live just above poverty.

That sounds just fucking lovely to me.

[Dancing Mustard]

I think the same thing of your "give everything to everybody" bullshit idea of a Utopian world.

Hooray for Straw-Men! Giving lazy debaters something to shadowbox since 1609.

Seriously, if you're going to spend half your waking hours arguing against somebody at least try to understand them first. The Marxist system that you froth and moan about really isn't what everybody you disagree with is advocating, it's just a straw-man you have grown addicted to whinging about.

I am sorry that you got into a drunken knife fight and your guts are in that walmart bag over there, but you are just going to have to end your stupid life in an American alley somewhere.

Compassion? What's that? I've never heard of the concept.

Seriously, talk about overstating a proposition BES. Why not just start arguing for a Feudal system if you're so keen on returning to the values of the Middle Ages?

we allow people to just say "f*ck that, I just want mine now" and skirt the rules because they are too stupid to adhere to them

See, your problem is that you just don't understand what it is that semi-socialist capitalism seeks to achieve or advocates doing.

By blinding yourself to the fact that it aims to help the undeserving poor (choosing instead to rant and rave about the fictionalised concept of it being a machine to donate millions of dollars to the eminently deserving poor) you fail to improve your understanding of its fundamental tennets, rob your arguments of sophistication and elegance, and generally appear as an uninformed extremist boor.

Seriously, calm down for a few minutes and go try to understand what it is you're arguing against. Frothing and howling at a fictionalised red-devil, armed only with cliches and superficial arguments, is a waste of your time, our time, and anybody who ever reads this thread's time.

As things stand, you just don't know enough to make an effective contribution here.

[yeti_c]

As things stand, you just don't know enough to make an effective contribution here.

Pretty much exactly as mentioned earlier.

C.

[Dancing Mustard]

As things stand, you just don't know enough to make an effective contribution here.

Pretty much exactly as mentioned earlier.

C.

He was making it so painfully apparent that I felt the point was worthy of reiteration.

[black elk speaks]

I think the same thing of your "give everything to everybody" bullshit idea of a Utopian world.

Hooray for Straw-Men! Giving lazy debaters something to shadowbox since 1609.

Seriously, if you're going to spend half your waking hours arguing against somebody at least try to understand them first. The Marxist system that you froth and moan about really isn't what everybody you disagree with is advocating, it's just a straw-man you have grown addicted to whinging about.

I am sorry that you got into a drunken knife fight and your guts are in that walmart bag over there, but you are just going to have to end your stupid life in an American alley somewhere.

Compassion? What's that? I've never heard of the concept.

Seriously, talk about overstating a proposition BES. Why not just start arguing for a Feudal system if you're so keen on returning to the values of the Middle Ages?

we allow people to just say "f*ck that, I just want mine now" and skirt the rules because they are too stupid to adhere to them

See, your problem is that you just don't understand what it is that semi-socialist capitalism seeks to achieve or advocates doing.

By blinding yourself to the fact that it aims to help the undeserving poor (choosing instead to rant and rave about the fictionalised concept of it being a machine to donate millions of dollars to the eminently deserving poor) you fail to improve your understanding of its fundamental tennets, rob your arguments of sophistication and elegance, and generally appear as an uninformed extremist boor.

Seriously, calm down for a few minutes and go try to understand what it is you're arguing against. Frothing and howling at a fictionalised red-devil, armed only with cliches and superficial arguments, is a waste of your time, our time, and anybody who ever reads this thread's time.

As things stand, you just don't know enough to make an effective contribution here.

then don't read my posts if you don't like them. But I suspect that you really do. it gives you a sounding board for your leftist ideas. at night, when you lay in your bed wondering how it is that after your government has finished with you, your actual working wage is half of what they tell you it is because they have decided that they know better how to spend your money than you do, you always have to come back to... oh, yes, I am supposed to feel compassionate towards people because my government tells me so. So I will let them skim my paycheck to pay for the idiot masses, whom they keep dependent on said government with "dumbing down" educational programs and social handouts in the guise of a better society for all. I don't buy it. If you want to help someone, don't give them a fish. Teach them how to fish and let them work ethically to feed themselves, their families and one day, God willing, they can in turn return the favor by teaching someone else how to fish.

Your ideas about socialist capitalism are simply a conduit for ever left reaching social policy. First you mandate affirmative action, Then bail out corporate institutions. Then you give away health care. Food, clothing, housing... its soon to all be from the government. historically, this has not gone well. Where we are these days, it doesn't look like it will be getting better in the future.

While the Government may seem like the right place for these kinds of things to be coming from, in truth, it is a wolf in sheep's clothing, mainly due to governments corrupt and inefficient nature.

I think its you who doesn't know enough to make an effective contribution here, if for no other reason because I have yet to hear a reason other than compassion for the less fortunate. I haven't seen or heard anyone use anything other than mockery (specifically you DM, since it is your forte) to slander and detract from any kind of real dialog regarding this issue.

[mpjh]

Damn, you are ignorant. Real wages have been falling for the last 8 years. Working people have finally decided that they have had enough of the lying "social issues" candidates and have started voting in their own self interest.

[black elk speaks]

Damn, you are ignorant. Real wages have been falling for the last 8 years. Working people have finally decided that they have had enough of the lying "social issues" candidates and have started voting in their own self interest.

What are you talking about?

[mpjh]

I think that was a pretty straightforward post. Try reading slowly, maybe moving you lips while you read will help.

[black elk speaks]

I think that was a pretty straightforward post. Try reading slowly, maybe moving you lips while you read will help.

I understood the words, but you left out any sort of details than connect your seemingly random comment to the dialog. Add some meat to that bone.

[mpjh]

I wouldn't want to make the bones too heavy for you to carry. Beside, just read your post just before the one in question, and look for something about wages. You should be able to make the connection if you understand what you wrote.

[black elk speaks]

I wouldn't want to make the bones too heavy for you to carry. Beside, just read your post just before the one in question, and look for something about wages. You should be able to make the connection if you understand what you wrote.

Are there mushrooms growing around that outhouse of yours? You shouldn't eat those.

Your comments seem to be about minimum wage requirements. I wasn't talking about that at all. If I am correct about your assertions regarding minimum wage, tell my how wages are falling, when the minimum wage has been growing for decades. Then you can tell me why it is that because some one starts their working life at a min wage job that they can end up there and I will show you a person that is a worthless worker with no ambition or smarts.

[mpjh]

Minimum wage has not kept up with inflation, thus the real minimum wage is falling. In addition, working people's wages have not kept up with inflation, thus falling wages. Pretty straightforward. Those of us who work for a wage (as opposed to a salary or capital gains) don't have any trouble understanding this.

[yeti_c]

As things stand, you just don't know enough to make an effective contribution here.

Pretty much exactly as mentioned earlier.

C.

He was making it so painfully apparent that I felt the point was worthy of reiteration.

Most definitely. - I fully concur with the reiteration - I attempted it twice before I gave up.

C.