Support Gun Control?

[b.k. barunt]

You know, I can honestly say that I've never met anybody that has ever been in a situation that could have been improved by the introduction of a gun, or where the situation was improved because somebody had a gun. Seems to me that they just cause problems...

Well now you can't say that. I've had a number of occasions. The last was when i helped a guy get into the Salvation Army rehab center. He agreed to go in if i would check on his house every night after 11 PM. His house is on the main drug corner in the Hollygrove neighborhood in New Orleans - ask someone from New Orleans about Hollygrove. The only reason i didn't take an automatic weapon and a couple grenades is that i was known in the neighborhood from my work at the community center, but i still had a sawed off shotgun, and needed it to run 3 crackheads (2 of which were armed) out of the house on the first night.

Those of you who are so vocal about gun control, have you ever done community service work in a bad neighborhood? If you would have agreed as i did to help an addict get clean by watching his house, would you have been naive enough to go in there without a gun? It's easy to sit back and judge from a safe, comfortable environment.


Honibaz

[captain.crazy]

I staved off an attack by 2 guys once just by revealing my gun in my belt. Either I would have been beaten, or they would have (they were smaller than me, but aggressors nonetheless). either way, they got a reality check, I avoided physical confrontation, and they (hopefully) learned things may not always be what they seem.

[Neoteny]

I staved off an attack by two guys with my penis, once.

[Neoteny]

I have a pistol. I have no problem registering it. As long as it remains "I inform them I have it" as opposed to "I beg them for permission to allow me to have it", I don't really have a problem with it. I registered it in California, I registered it in Nevada, I went to register it in Washington, and got told "they don't give a f*ck" so now it's not registered in this state. Oh well, I still haven't shot anybody with it. don't plan on it. I am a law abiding gun owner, not a criminal.

I took it shooting last weekend with 3 friends, they all have guns. We shot lots of paper targets, soda cans, little metal spinner objects. I'm a better shot than they are. My 9mm is more difficult to shoot than the .357. The .40 that's identical to my 9mm except it has a bigger barrel is no different except more of a kick. Mine kicks up, theirs kick back. These are tools, I enjoy shooting them...at targets. I don't carry it, it's too big to carry. Stop freaking out about about guns. pussies. you shouldn't be allowed to own one anyway given the way you treat them and react to them and the way you think about them. you act like they are a explosives that will go off with a static electricity charge.... Responsible gun owners are never the problem. The problem isn't guns. The problem is idiots with guns. The problem isn't alcohol, the problem is idiots that get wasted and drive. The problem isn't soccer, the problem is soccer fans that beat the shit out of each other. The problem isn't nuclear reactions, the problem is people that turn it into a bomb and kill each other. The problem isn't religion, the problem is fanatics that kill each other over religion.

So it's everyone's fault but yours? Pussy. How about you make a fucking effort? Responsible people make an active effort to protect others. Idiots get wasted and drive, sure. Let's try to stop that. Soccer fans beat the shit out of each other. Let's try and stop that. Religious people kill each other for stupid reasons. Let's try and stop that. Idiots shoot other people. Let's try and fucking stop that.

Or you can be spineless and say "I've done my part: I've registered my gun and know how to use it, so everyone else can go f*ck themselves." That's fine. Suppose your mom gets shot. Your kid gets hit by a drunk driver. Or, we can stretch it a bit, and you can show some emotion when your neighbor's kid gets trampled at a soccer game, or a kid you've never met gets blown up in a mosque on the other side of the world. You can rest easy knowing you didn't do a damn thing except spout empty rhetoric about personal responsibility. f*ck off.

[GabonX]

empty rhetoric about personal responsibility.

[TheProwler]

Whether or not there are gun control laws, the criminals will have guns. So law abiding citizens should be allowed to defend themselves properly, which would mean they should be allowed to carry a gun too. Period. How can this be argued?

Guns are easy to own in most of America.

Is it an unfortunate situation? Sure.

Is it dangerous? It can be.

Does it act as a deterrent to criminals to use their guns? Probably.

But the bottom line is, the bad guys have them, so the good guys should have them too.

But it entirely is. The people of the United States need to have access to the same weaponry that our Government has, otherwise, we cannot utilize that last resort to overthrow the government. That is the purpose of the second amendment. The founding fathers intended for the people of America to cut down the government, knowing full well that it was going to reach a level of power that it would, undoubtedly become tyrannical.

People will have a hard time grasping this concept....but it is good for them to know.

[bedub1]

I have a pistol. I have no problem registering it. As long as it remains "I inform them I have it" as opposed to "I beg them for permission to allow me to have it", I don't really have a problem with it. I registered it in California, I registered it in Nevada, I went to register it in Washington, and got told "they don't give a f*ck" so now it's not registered in this state. Oh well, I still haven't shot anybody with it. don't plan on it. I am a law abiding gun owner, not a criminal.

I took it shooting last weekend with 3 friends, they all have guns. We shot lots of paper targets, soda cans, little metal spinner objects. I'm a better shot than they are. My 9mm is more difficult to shoot than the .357. The .40 that's identical to my 9mm except it has a bigger barrel is no different except more of a kick. Mine kicks up, theirs kick back. These are tools, I enjoy shooting them...at targets. I don't carry it, it's too big to carry. Stop freaking out about about guns. pussies. you shouldn't be allowed to own one anyway given the way you treat them and react to them and the way you think about them. you act like they are a explosives that will go off with a static electricity charge.... Responsible gun owners are never the problem. The problem isn't guns. The problem is idiots with guns. The problem isn't alcohol, the problem is idiots that get wasted and drive. The problem isn't soccer, the problem is soccer fans that beat the shit out of each other. The problem isn't nuclear reactions, the problem is people that turn it into a bomb and kill each other. The problem isn't religion, the problem is fanatics that kill each other over religion.

So it's everyone's fault but yours? Pussy. How about you make a fucking effort? Responsible people make an active effort to protect others. Idiots get wasted and drive, sure. Let's try to stop that. Soccer fans beat the shit out of each other. Let's try and stop that. Religious people kill each other for stupid reasons. Let's try and stop that. Idiots shoot other people. Let's try and fucking stop that.

Or you can be spineless and say "I've done my part: I've registered my gun and know how to use it, so everyone else can go f*ck themselves." That's fine. Suppose your mom gets shot. Your kid gets hit by a drunk driver. Or, we can stretch it a bit, and you can show some emotion when your neighbor's kid gets trampled at a soccer game, or a kid you've never met gets blown up in a mosque on the other side of the world. You can rest easy knowing you didn't do a damn thing except spout empty rhetoric about personal responsibility. f*ck off.

I completely agree. If I had a concealed carry permit, and the laws didn't permit me from having it at college in the classroom, and I had been a student at virgia tech, and if I had been in that class, then I would have shot that little shit that killed so many people before he could kill them all. And if I died in the process, at least I'd die knowing I saved the lives of others, instead of just sitting by and watching it happen.

[karel]

One thing i am comepletly against is registering my guns...there is no need to.I am in favor of them doing a criminal background checks.It's just more info they will have on you........

Fight gun control...our state is

[b.k. barunt]

I don't agree with you having a right to carry around a gun. Unless they have a license to carry one, folks don't need to be carrying around their guns unless there's wild Injuns or Frenchmen in the street.

The Constitution gives you the right to own one, and to carry one if you know your life could be in danger (unless you know someone, you'll go to jail on that one), but just to have one on you all the time? f*ck that - i personally know too many people that shouldn't get within 10 ft of a gun - i'll take my chances carrying illegally if the situation calls for it. If it's not important enough for you to risk a weapons charge, it's not important enough for you to be packin.


Honibaz

[Falkomagno]

Mr. Uncle Sam Says:

I have the right to carry guns, and to control that it's stupid because bad guys don't do it. And if I carry a gun, it's because I'm possible gonna need it. And how I use a gun? not exactly to make me a coffe, but to take some bad guy life. Anyway, he must deserve a violent death, because is a Bad guy, and I have all my right to kill bad guys, to defend my family and my country. if I enjoy that, well, that's collateral, and stills within the law. And, how many guns it's enough to fell confortable and safe?. Well, all that you can affort. because bad guys don't go around with simple knifes and small revolvers. I mean, we must to have the right to own a battle tank, if we can pay that. (anyway, the weapons factories must be affected by the crisis, and they need our support). Every american has to be with a couple of rifles, bazookas to blow some evil enemies's asses. Or you preffer just look who that democracy enemies do that to our childrens??. and go further, we have to kill the evil nest itself, going with our heros to their countrys, that are just bastions where the enemy becomes stronger, and show them who is the good guy in the history, and bring their people the real paradise as we've gonna seen when we kill every bad guy in the world

And this is so obvious because, you are right and good and the others are bad and wrong.

[Neoteny]

empty rhetoric about personal responsibility.

That's probably the best thing you've ever posted.

I completely agree. If I had a concealed carry permit, and the laws didn't permit me from having it at college in the classroom, and I had been a student at virgia tech, and if I had been in that class, then I would have shot that little shit that killed so many people before he could kill them all. And if I died in the process, at least I'd die knowing I saved the lives of others, instead of just sitting by and watching it happen.

That's great. There's a whole lot of "ifs" in there. But the fact of the matter is, you're in the 99.9 % of the population that wasn't at VT that day. And the same amount in all the other major shooting recently. If it helps you sleep at night knowing you "would have done something" even if you never will, more power to you. I'm going to actually going to try to protect people.

[TheProwler]

I don't agree with you having a right to carry around a gun. Unless they have a license to carry one, folks don't need to be carrying around their guns unless there's wild Injuns or Frenchmen in the street.

The Constitution gives you the right to own one, and to carry one if you know your life could be in danger (unless you know someone, you'll go to jail on that one), but just to have one on you all the time? f*ck that - i personally know too many people that shouldn't get within 10 ft of a gun - i'll take my chances carrying illegally if the situation calls for it. If it's not important enough for you to risk a weapons charge, it's not important enough for you to be packin.

He's right. It would be dangerous if more people were walking around with guns. Other than the shooting spree scenario that someone else mentioned, in most situations the bad guy is gonna get the drop on you....so if you go for your gun, you're gonna get popped.

I see the gun as more useful in a home invasion/break-and-enter scenario. You hear the bad guys, get your gun, situate yourself in an advantageous position, and proceed however it makes sense. Either sitting tight and just worrying about protecting your family. Or yelling to them that they'd better leave or you're gonna shoot them. Or just shooting them without warning.

[comic boy]

You know, I can honestly say that I've never met anybody that has ever been in a situation that could have been improved by the introduction of a gun, or where the situation was improved because somebody had a gun. Seems to me that they just cause problems...

Well now you can't say that. I've had a number of occasions. The last was when i helped a guy get into the Salvation Army rehab center. He agreed to go in if i would check on his house every night after 11 PM. His house is on the main drug corner in the Hollygrove neighborhood in New Orleans - ask someone from New Orleans about Hollygrove. The only reason i didn't take an automatic weapon and a couple grenades is that i was known in the neighborhood from my work at the community center, but i still had a sawed off shotgun, and needed it to run 3 crackheads (2 of which were armed) out of the house on the first night.

Those of you who are so vocal about gun control, have you ever done community service work in a bad neighborhood? If you would have agreed as i did to help an addict get clean by watching his house, would you have been naive enough to go in there without a gun? It's easy to sit back and judge from a safe, comfortable environment.


Honibaz

Yes but you are talking about a bad neighbourhood in an environment full of guns......its become a catch 22 situation in many parts of the US.

[apey]

You can have my guns, if you can get through the flying bullets to get it out of my hand

[comic boy]

You can have my guns, if you can get through the flying bullets to get it out of my hand

Where does registering a firearm equate with taking it ?

[apey]

I live in Utah mine doesn't have to b registered and reading through the thread they still want our guns

[Timminz]

I live in Utah mine doesn't have to b registered and reading through the thread they still want our guns

In related news, Miriam-Webster has just redefined the word "control", to be a synonym for "ban".

[b.k. barunt]

Mr. Uncle Sam Says:

I have the right to carry guns, and to control that it's stupid because bad guys don't do it. And if I carry a gun, it's because I'm possible gonna need it. And how I use a gun? not exactly to make me a coffe, but to take some bad guy life. Anyway, he must deserve a violent death, because is a Bad guy, and I have all my right to kill bad guys, to defend my family and my country. if I enjoy that, well, that's collateral, and stills within the law. And, how many guns it's enough to fell confortable and safe?. Well, all that you can affort. because bad guys don't go around with simple knifes and small revolvers. I mean, we must to have the right to own a battle tank, if we can pay that. (anyway, the weapons factories must be affected by the crisis, and they need our support). Every american has to be with a couple of rifles, bazookas to blow some evil enemies's asses. Or you preffer just look who that democracy enemies do that to our childrens??. and go further, we have to kill the evil nest itself, going with our heros to their countrys, that are just bastions where the enemy becomes stronger, and show them who is the good guy in the history, and bring their people the real paradise as we've gonna seen when we kill every bad guy in the world

And this is so obvious because, you are right and good and the others are bad and wrong.

Aren't you from Columbia? If there is one place that has more gun problems than the U.S. (besides Somalia of course) it's Columbia. You guys are ruled by the drug cartels with their big bucks and private armies. There's fooking rocket launchers and claymore mines being used in the damn streets, and here you are trying to clean up our backyard. Why? So the cartels can come over here and rule us too once we give up our guns?

Yeah yeah i know, "you don't know nothing about my country". Buncha crazy fooking cokeheads.


Honibaz

[captain.crazy]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." Second Amendment of the United State Constitution

The Constitution preserves "the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation. . . (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." -- The Federalist, No. 46 - James Madison

"You cannot invade the mainland United States.
There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japanese Navy)

[Falkomagno]

Aren't you from Columbia? If there is one place that has more gun problems than the U.S. (besides Somalia of course) it's Columbia. You guys are ruled by the drug cartels with their big bucks and private armies. There's fooking rocket launchers and claymore mines being used in the damn streets, and here you are trying to clean up our backyard. Why? So the cartels can come over here and rule us too once we give up our guns?

Yeah yeah i know, "you don't know nothing about my country". Buncha crazy fooking cokeheads.


Honibaz

Of course. We are violent people who kill each other. That's why I'm so aganist guns, or mass guns posetion, or anything that makes easier to people kill each other.

Colombian and americans are the same...angry violent people who dosn't respect the principle of life.

and isn't ColUmbia...is Colombia...you fockin wannabe

[captain.crazy]

Of course. We are violent people who kill each other. That's why I'm so aganist guns, or mass guns posetion, or anything that makes easier to people kill each other.

Colombian and americans are the same...angry violent people who dosn't respect the principle of life.

and isn't ColUmbia...is Colombia...you fockin wannabe

"Gaurd with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people!"

- Patrick Henry

[neanderpaul14]

You can have my guns, if you can get through the flying bullets to get it out of my hand

Where does registering a firearm equate with taking it ?

Because gun registration is the first step, the next step is the knock on your door telling you everyone must surrender their weapons.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." Second Amendment of the United State Constitution

The Constitution preserves "the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation. . . (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." -- The Federalist, No. 46 - James Madison

"You cannot invade the mainland United States.
There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japanese Navy)

Yah for Captain Crazy

And as the good captain stated earlier in this thread this amendment was placed in the Constitution so that if our government ever became tyrannical and attempted to subjugate the populace that we would be able to defend ourselves against them.

Love your country, fear your government.

[Falkomagno]

Love your country, fear your government.

That was a good one.

But the concept of country changes along the time. I mean, for example, actual Texas was part of Mexico, so nationalism blindness can be just stupid

[joecoolfrog]

You can have my guns, if you can get through the flying bullets to get it out of my hand

Where does registering a firearm equate with taking it ?

Because gun registration is the first step, the next step is the knock on your door telling you everyone must surrender their weapons.[/b]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." Second Amendment of the United State Constitution

The Constitution preserves "the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation. . . (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." -- The Federalist, No. 46 - James Madison

"You cannot invade the mainland United States.
There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japanese Navy)

Yah for Captain Crazy

And as the good captain stated earlier in this thread this amendment was placed in the Constitution so that if our government ever became tyrannical and attempted to subjugate the populace that we would be able to defend ourselves against them.

Love your country, fear your government.

Paranoia tends to obscure the truth !

[captain.crazy]

You can have my guns, if you can get through the flying bullets to get it out of my hand

Where does registering a firearm equate with taking it ?

Because gun registration is the first step, the next step is the knock on your door telling you everyone must surrender their weapons.[/b]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." Second Amendment of the United State Constitution

The Constitution preserves "the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation. . . (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." -- The Federalist, No. 46 - James Madison

"You cannot invade the mainland United States.
There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japanese Navy)

Yah for Captain Crazy

And as the good captain stated earlier in this thread this amendment was placed in the Constitution so that if our government ever became tyrannical and attempted to subjugate the populace that we would be able to defend ourselves against them.

Love your country, fear your government.

Paranoia tends to obscure the truth !

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed...." - NOAH WEBSTER (An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, Webster1787)