How family friendly should this site be?

[MeDeFe]

SIMPLE ANSWER FOR THOSE WHO MISS FLAME WARS.

Start a social group...........

ronc.............

Yeah that isn't allowed actually.

But someone's trying.

[hahaha3hahaha]

No doubt about it, the new guidelines are like the American government, contricting and overflowing with bullshit. When I came back to CC to find flame wars (and flaming itself) didn't exist, I was horrified. Flame wars WAS A CHOICE, if people didnt like it they didnt have to read posts made within it. As for the CONSISTENCY of the rules, don't get me started. If person A calls person B a dickhead, (((firstoff off Person B should just foe and ignore, problem solved)))), then Person A, according to new rules, will be banned, correct? But what if person C calls person D a dickhead and isnt banned? Does that seem fair? Well whether YOU (the reader) are aware of it or not, it happens ALL the time. The mods are very corrupt, and always will have the power, nothing you can do about it. All we can do is what all good citizens can do, start a rebellion . But in all seriousness something's gotta change, I know there are a lot of people fed up with the moderators and CC hierachy atm *I'm not even sure about the new guidelines, I will probably be banned for this post knowing CC* Too late now...

[squishyg]

I agree with PLAYER's general point- it is challenging to define what's acceptable and unacceptable. You needn't look further than some of conversations about racism, bigotry, and cc punishments to know that about our community.

What's interesting to me is how a site devoted to a world domination game has cultivated a forum that people care so deeply about. We didn't come to this site looking for a place to talk to people about politics, right? But yet the forum has evolved into a community.

It has been noted in conversations about cc punishments that the forum is not part of what you pay for when you buy premium, hence the fact that premium members can lose forum privileges. By that logic, the forum is separate from the gaming part of the site. Is it possible for the gaming section to be family friendly, but for the forums, or sections of the forums, to be less so?

I thought Flame Wars was a pretty negative place to hang out, and I rarely venture into Turtle Soup for the same reason. However those two fora are extremely different. There's a difference between being able to playfully (at best) insult people for game related reasons, it's another to foster an environment where poisonous opinions are spouted and people's deeply held moral, religious, and political views are ripped apart and insulted without a modicum of respectful debate.

Have I ever campaigned for Turtle Soup to be removed from the site? No. Just like I'm not forced to watch Fox News, I'm not forced to read how 13 year old boys think girls are damned sluts for having abortions.

I don't know how the forums fit into lack's business plan for the site. I'll worry about my corner of the world and leave him to figure out his.

[MeDeFe]

I thought Flame Wars was a pretty negative place to hang out, and I rarely venture into Turtle Soup for the same reason. However those two fora are extremely different. There's a difference between being able to playfully (at best) insult people for game related reasons, it's another to foster an environment where poisonous opinions are spouted and people's deeply held moral, religious, and political views are ripped apart and insulted without a modicum of respectful debate.

So... which is which?

[Georgerx7di]

I thought Flame Wars was a pretty negative place to hang out, and I rarely venture into Turtle Soup for the same reason. However those two fora are extremely different. There's a difference between being able to playfully (at best) insult people for game related reasons, it's another to foster an environment where poisonous opinions are spouted and people's deeply held moral, religious, and political views are ripped apart and insulted without a modicum of respectful debate.

So... which is which?

Wow squishy said modicum.
He's foed.

[JimRocky]

If I couldn't think of a better insult than doo doo brown I'd just give up on the insulting. If you must lower yourself to hurling insults at least make a thoughtful one.

Personally I see no need for insults. Now some people call "telling the truth" an insult but it's usually because they are unable to see the truth, or more commonly, unwilling to admit the truth.

Really though, if everyone treated others as they wished to be treated the world, and these and any forums would be a better place. Sure there's a few idiots that want to be treated poorly, but most people want to be treated with kindness and respect.

It's possible to be kind to one another. All it takes is a desire to be good and self control.

It never hurts to apologize if you have lost control, and it's always good to accept apologies readily.

It's a dream world where everyone is kind, but I never give up on my dreams.

[squishyg]

I thought Flame Wars was a pretty negative place to hang out, and I rarely venture into Turtle Soup for the same reason. However those two fora are extremely different. There's a difference between being able to playfully (at best) insult people for game related reasons, it's another to foster an environment where poisonous opinions are spouted and people's deeply held moral, religious, and political views are ripped apart and insulted without a modicum of respectful debate.

So... which is which?

I think the going forward question should be, "which do we want?"

[thegreekdog]

I'll beat this dead horse because it's starting to come alive again, but...

If you didn't like Flame Wars, you didn't have to go there. It's not like you opened up CC and were sent directly to Flame Wars. If someone trashed you in Flame Wars you wouldn't know about it unless you went in to Flame Wars (or someone directed you there and then you went in).

Flame Wars was like a porn store... if you went in, you went in with knowledge of what you would find. If you didn't go in, you didn't go in because you didn't want to go in. I still don't understand the rationale behind eliminating that particular forum.

[AndyDufresne]

Flame Wars, as has always been stated, didn't fit with the developing vision of Conquer Club, and we chose to remove it before it further impeded development. That's about all that can be said on this, I regret to inform those who appreciated it that it will not be coming back.


--Andy

[the.killing.44]

I don't see how people are taking "poopface" and "doo doo brown" to be actual insults. Really.

[Georgerx7di]

I don't see how people are taking "poopface" and "doo doo brown" to be actual insults. Really.

Let's see how you feel. Killing, you're a poop face

[owenshooter]

I don't see how people are taking "poopface" and "doo doo brown" to be actual insults. Really.

seriously, if i called anyone "jackass", "poop face" and "doo doo brown" within a single thread as a certain member did, do you seriously believe i would not be banned for baiting and/or flaming? the point is the rules are not the same for everyone on this site. the fact that i was told that a very obvious instance of baiting and flaming by an extended member of the CC family, was not, is ridiculous. and dear lord, imagine if i had even BREATHED that a black member being called "doo doo brown" and "poop face" was borderline racist (which it easily could be called). i would have been maligned as being on my "crusade" again. however, since "jackass", "poopface" and "doo doo brown" have been declared non-insulting words which are not flames, i'm ok with it... however, with the new family friendly CC, it is hard to know where the lines are and when you cross them. and it is especially hard to know when the rules are going to be enforced and against whom...-0

[Snorri1234]

Who cares about moronic insults like that when there are some seriously backwards posts in Turtle Soup?

[Snorri1234]

And I don't mean backwards as in "wow that's kinda stupid" but backwards as in "hey, when did we suddenly travel to the pre civil-war South?"

[thegreekdog]

And I don't mean backwards as in "wow that's kinda stupid" but backwards as in "hey, when did we suddenly travel to the pre civil-war South?"

Or 1950s Soviet Union...

[owenshooter]

And I don't mean backwards as in "wow that's kinda stupid" but backwards as in "hey, when did we suddenly travel to the pre civil-war South?"

this is simply not true. flame wars was removed and thus there is no longer any offensive content on this site...-0

[the.killing.44]

I'm not saying that the words themselves aren't insulting, but the way they are being delivered…

[colton24]

p.s.-oh, and nice temporary lock on the thread where prime insulted members and never came back to explain his statement... i assume this is like the "temporary lock" on the tournament newsletter that contained the horribly bigoted interview with a 12 year kid that nobody bothered to edit other than another kid under the age of 15...

Yeah, I wish sailor didn't put that question in there or even ask it. It got me in hot water because I didn't know what it meant. Apparently it was bigotry. Then sailor came out with this bullshit-saying that he begged me not to say that, but I insisted-to make sure it looked like I was a bigot and he did't have anything to do with it. Now I can't post on walls without getting warnings or bans due to the fact that he made it look that way.

[mpjh]

OK, colton -- nobody cares except owenshooter -- just let it rest and play some games. Let the adults act like 12 year-olds for a bit, they will get tired of it.

[owenshooter]

OK, colton -- nobody cares except owenshooter -- just let it rest and play some games. Let the adults act like 12 year-olds for a bit, they will get tired of it.

and here comes a mod baiting... thank you for proving my point... perhaps you didn't see the backlash in that newsletter thread and realize that colton was banned for a comment that should have never made the newsletter... and i don't care if you are just a mod in a sub-forum, you still have a coloured name and you should conduct yourself well within the rules at all times. i am all for family friendly, but i am more for even application of the rules, even the oft used "unwritten rules", for all members...-0

[mpjh]

Apparently, typing your name is irresistible bait to you. If you cannot distinguish immaturity from racist viciousness, well you've got some growing up to do yourself. I suggest you just get over it for a bit.

[colton24]

OK, colton -- nobody cares except owenshooter -- just let it rest and play some games. Let the adults act like 12 year-olds for a bit, they will get tired of it.

and here comes a mod baiting... thank you for proving my point... perhaps you didn't see the backlash in that newsletter thread and realize that colton was banned for a comment that should have never made the newsletter... and i don't care if you are just a mod in a sub-forum, you still have a coloured name and you should conduct yourself well within the rules at all times. i am all for family friendly, but i am more for even application of the rules, even the oft used "unwritten rules", for all members...-0

Close to being banned. Warning on major/severe. Never should've gotten that one anyways.

[mpjh]

OK, as I said, colton, let it rest. You got your punishment; you know the rules. Let owenshooter rant -- he will soon get onto another rant anyway.

[MeDeFe]

I thought Flame Wars was a pretty negative place to hang out, and I rarely venture into Turtle Soup for the same reason. However those two fora are extremely different. There's a difference between being able to playfully (at best) insult people for game related reasons, it's another to foster an environment where poisonous opinions are spouted and people's deeply held moral, religious, and political views are ripped apart and insulted without a modicum of respectful debate.

So... which is which?

I think the going forward question should be, "which do we want?"

First I need to know which description applies to Flame Wars and which applies to Turtle Soup. One of the descriptions is "being able to playfully (at best) insult people for game related reasons" and the other is "to foster an environment where poisonous opinions are spouted and people's deeply held moral, religious, and political views are ripped apart and insulted without a modicum of respectful debate". But I don't which is FW and which is TS.

[mpjh]

You need to zoom in a bit. After all, from the right distance you cannot distinguish us from the sun.