[Official] NBC Mafia Town Win MVP=trinicardinal

[BGtheBrain]

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[strike wolf]

So Strikes reasoning for voting me is that (1) I was not contributing and (2) he didnt like my reasoning for the Betiko vote.

(1) I did not participate in the joke vote. i dont see a problem with that. As for the Stoke city rambling nonsense. In the main forum games, I dont like to post "filler" just for the appearance of contributing. I have a hard enough time following a game without trying to figure out who likes what soccer team. If others want to talk about that, its fine, but I wont add to that discussion. Basically there is nothing to talk about that would involve a serious contribution. I will not post just for the sake of posting.

I'm not asking you to post for the sake of posting. I'm saying other than jumping on the bandwagon (and now providing your defense) you didn't and haven't really done anything to contribute to town. You haven't advanced the argument on betiko (I do not accept that you felt he acted "weird" qualification as advancing discussion) you merely advanced the vote count.

(2) I clearly stated my reasoning whether you agree with it or not, is up to you.

Since most of you understand the game, you all know how Day 1 works. Someone is going to be pressured, someone is going to claim, someone will probably get lynched. To deny this, is ridiculous.

How do we get to that point? Well, of course you pressure someone. In this case on day 1 for someone to be acting "weird" is in fact enough for me to vote for someone. I would much rather take my chances on the person behaving "weird" than I would picking the another player who is acting not "weird"

Im sure this will be twisted to appear "BG is eager to lynch anyone" and that is not what I am saying. Im saying that we all know someone will be lynched today and I would rather pressure and/or lynch the person with "weird" behavior than I would people acting normal.

So what about discussion? How does this advance discussion? And why did you choose not to address Betiko's defense that happened right before your post? I assume you chose not to as it does not appear you were fast posted. If you want to vote someone for "acting weird" fine but when someone votes just above you and you choose not to address his points that is insufficient. Whether he acted weird or not. You took no effort upon yourself to advance discussion beyond the vote count itself and I find that scummy.

Strike clearly has a problem and well thought out argument with me here, but he totally avoided any comments on Trini, except for one sentence. Trini's vote was very similar to mine. I dont think there is anything wrong with Trini's vote, I think the intentions were the same as mine.

Clarify. How did I avoid trini?

Strike allowed about 36 hours after his initial post against me to reiterate his point that he feels I need attention. Why the hurry?

I wasn't considering the hours between. I'm considering the post volume (which was close to a full page) with only one other person who seemed to really address my argument. I feel my case was stronger than the one on betiko and I will push for that.

I didnt have a problem with strike coming after me. In my opinion his case is about as strong as the Betiko case, but the same case could be made against others.

Umm skimming? I did make my case why I did not feel others on the bandwagon deserved as much attention as you for reasons mainly revolving around how much they've contributed outside of the Betiko case. Secondly, you hinted earlier in the post that I did not make a case against trini and that with the exception of one line I didn't address trini (who by the way never actually voted). Look back you'll find that you're wrong.

[BGtheBrain]

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[jonty125]

so the options are this.

Randomly pressure someone
Pressure someone who says something kind of weird.

Your logic is flawed, we weren't at deadline and we could have waited until someone did something scummy (or played scummy): namely yourself

[BGtheBrain]

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[trinicardinal]

The deadline is irrelevant.

This is a universal truth that applies to day 1. Someone must be lynched.

At that time Betiko was by far the best option to at the very least be pressured.

I would disagree that the deadline is irrelevant since we go into the night with a no lynch if we cannot come to agreement by then. That in itself is a significant factor in the game. If it continues as it is going so far we will also go into the night with practically no information at all... which seems like a even worse scenario to me cos then we'll likely be down a townie and be in pretty much the same situation the next day... not much info but 1 less townie.

[Rodion]

9 - How should I play my role?

a) town cop - if you get a guilty result, try to get that person lynched without claiming. Simply build a case against him and hope it works. If his wagon is not picking steam, then you can voluntarily claim your role and your results. If you have an innocent result in someone that is about to be lynched and protective roles are still alive, you can consider claiming to avoid the mislynch. Do notice that you get an innocent when you target the godfather, so it could get tricky. I'm not considering cop sanities because I' don't ever remember seeing a non-sane cop, but if your character has flavour hinting at naiveness/paranoia/insanity you should consider that before publishing your results out in the open.

b) town doctor - protect the cop when he claims! Try to keep a low profile so mafia doesn't see you as a "must die" townie: the more nights you live, the more protection you can give.

c) town mason - first of all, PM the mod and make sure the other mason(s) is town confirmed. If he is, do not let him be lynched (claim if you have to - if he claims and mentions you, confirm his story). If one of you have powers other than "mason", the other could claim that role instead to draw attention away from the real power role (a mason cop / mason duo could have the mason claiming cop, so the real cop would not be killed/roleblocked). You could also pull stunts from this position, but I'm not teaching that as it could backfire.

d) town busdriver - you can use your powers to protect people (cop claimed, doctor is dead, swap cop with someone you consider scummy). Since your powers can cause mischief, be ready to claim if something seems off (say, you swapped players A and B and the cop claims a guilty in B - chances are B is innocent and by staying silent you'll be causing a mislynch, so you should voluntarily claim and explain the cop's guilty is actually related to A, not B).

Busy again, I'll continue it later!

[trinicardinal]

9 - How should I play my role?

a) town cop - if you get a guilty result, try to get that person lynched without claiming. Simply build a case against him and hope it works. If his wagon is not picking steam, then you can voluntarily claim your role and your results. If you have an innocent result in someone that is about to be lynched and protective roles are still alive, you can consider claiming to avoid the mislynch. Do notice that you get an innocent when you target the godfather, so it could get tricky. I'm not considering cop sanities because I' don't ever remember seeing a non-sane cop, but if your character has flavour hinting at naiveness/paranoia/insanity you should consider that before publishing your results out in the open.

b) town doctor - protect the cop when he claims! Try to keep a low profile so mafia doesn't see you as a "must die" townie: the more nights you live, the more protection you can give.

c) town mason - first of all, PM the mod and make sure the other mason(s) is town confirmed. If he is, do not let him be lynched (claim if you have to - if he claims and mentions you, confirm his story). If one of you have powers other than "mason", the other could claim that role instead to draw attention away from the real power role (a mason cop / mason duo could have the mason claiming cop, so the real cop would not be killed/roleblocked). You could also pull stunts from this position, but I'm not teaching that as it could backfire.

d) town busdriver - you can use your powers to protect people (cop claimed, doctor is dead, swap cop with someone you consider scummy). Since your powers can cause mischief, be ready to claim if something seems off (say, you swapped players A and B and the cop claims a guilty in B - chances are B is innocent and by staying silent you'll be causing a mislynch, so you should voluntarily claim and explain the cop's guilty is actually related to A, not B).

Busy again, I'll continue it later!

That's some nice stuff Rodion. This will be very helpful.

[MoB Deadly]

9 - How should I play my role?

a) town cop - if you get a guilty result, try to get that person lynched without claiming. Simply build a case against him and hope it works. If his wagon is not picking steam, then you can voluntarily claim your role and your results. If you have an innocent result in someone that is about to be lynched and protective roles are still alive, you can consider claiming to avoid the mislynch. Do notice that you get an innocent when you target the godfather, so it could get tricky. I'm not considering cop sanities because I' don't ever remember seeing a non-sane cop, but if your character has flavour hinting at naiveness/paranoia/insanity you should consider that before publishing your results out in the open.

b) town doctor - protect the cop when he claims! Try to keep a low profile so mafia doesn't see you as a "must die" townie: the more nights you live, the more protection you can give.

c) town mason - first of all, PM the mod and make sure the other mason(s) is town confirmed. If he is, do not let him be lynched (claim if you have to - if he claims and mentions you, confirm his story). If one of you have powers other than "mason", the other could claim that role instead to draw attention away from the real power role (a mason cop / mason duo could have the mason claiming cop, so the real cop would not be killed/roleblocked). You could also pull stunts from this position, but I'm not teaching that as it could backfire.

d) town busdriver - you can use your powers to protect people (cop claimed, doctor is dead, swap cop with someone you consider scummy). Since your powers can cause mischief, be ready to claim if something seems off (say, you swapped players A and B and the cop claims a guilty in B - chances are B is innocent and by staying silent you'll be causing a mislynch, so you should voluntarily claim and explain the cop's guilty is actually related to A, not B).

Busy again, I'll continue it later!

Nice post Rodion, I would really like to see you make a full strategy guide and get it stickied! (I will help if you want!) However, I agree with BG that this isn't really the place to put it. Could you please keep it to Mafia Discussions for now? We have had enough side tracking with the whole soccer team kabosh, we dont need this here too.

Like trini said, if we continue at this rate, we will have nothing at all to go on

[jonty125]

9 - How should I play my role?

a) town cop - if you get a guilty result, try to get that person lynched without claiming. Simply build a case against him and hope it works. If his wagon is not picking steam, then you can voluntarily claim your role and your results. If you have an innocent result in someone that is about to be lynched and protective roles are still alive, you can consider claiming to avoid the mislynch. Do notice that you get an innocent when you target the godfather, so it could get tricky. I'm not considering cop sanities because I' don't ever remember seeing a non-sane cop, but if your character has flavour hinting at naiveness/paranoia/insanity you should consider that before publishing your results out in the open.

b) town doctor - protect the cop when he claims! Try to keep a low profile so mafia doesn't see you as a "must die" townie: the more nights you live, the more protection you can give.

c) town mason - first of all, PM the mod and make sure the other mason(s) is town confirmed. If he is, do not let him be lynched (claim if you have to - if he claims and mentions you, confirm his story). If one of you have powers other than "mason", the other could claim that role instead to draw attention away from the real power role (a mason cop / mason duo could have the mason claiming cop, so the real cop would not be killed/roleblocked). You could also pull stunts from this position, but I'm not teaching that as it could backfire.

d) town busdriver - you can use your powers to protect people (cop claimed, doctor is dead, swap cop with someone you consider scummy). Since your powers can cause mischief, be ready to claim if something seems off (say, you swapped players A and B and the cop claims a guilty in B - chances are B is innocent and by staying silent you'll be causing a mislynch, so you should voluntarily claim and explain the cop's guilty is actually related to A, not B).

Busy again, I'll continue it later!

Nice post Rodion, I would really like to see you make a full strategy guide and get it stickied! (I will help if you want!) However, I agree with BG that this isn't really the place to put it. Could you please keep it to Mafia Discussions for now? We have had enough side tracking with the whole soccer team kabosh, we dont need this here too.

Like trini said, if we continue at this rate, we will have nothing at all to go on

For the record, its called football!

[MoB Deadly]

For the record, its called football!

Im from America, therefore I am ignorant of the rest of the world

[strike wolf]

9 - How should I play my role?

a) town cop - if you get a guilty result, try to get that person lynched without claiming. Simply build a case against him and hope it works. If his wagon is not picking steam, then you can voluntarily claim your role and your results. If you have an innocent result in someone that is about to be lynched and protective roles are still alive, you can consider claiming to avoid the mislynch. Do notice that you get an innocent when you target the godfather, so it could get tricky. I'm not considering cop sanities because I' don't ever remember seeing a non-sane cop, but if your character has flavour hinting at naiveness/paranoia/insanity you should consider that before publishing your results out in the open.

b) town doctor - protect the cop when he claims! Try to keep a low profile so mafia doesn't see you as a "must die" townie: the more nights you live, the more protection you can give.

c) town mason - first of all, PM the mod and make sure the other mason(s) is town confirmed. If he is, do not let him be lynched (claim if you have to - if he claims and mentions you, confirm his story). If one of you have powers other than "mason", the other could claim that role instead to draw attention away from the real power role (a mason cop / mason duo could have the mason claiming cop, so the real cop would not be killed/roleblocked). You could also pull stunts from this position, but I'm not teaching that as it could backfire.

d) town busdriver - you can use your powers to protect people (cop claimed, doctor is dead, swap cop with someone you consider scummy). Since your powers can cause mischief, be ready to claim if something seems off (say, you swapped players A and B and the cop claims a guilty in B - chances are B is innocent and by staying silent you'll be causing a mislynch, so you should voluntarily claim and explain the cop's guilty is actually related to A, not B).

Busy again, I'll continue it later!

Nice post Rodion, I would really like to see you make a full strategy guide and get it stickied! (I will help if you want!) However, I agree with BG that this isn't really the place to put it. Could you please keep it to Mafia Discussions for now? We have had enough side tracking with the whole soccer team kabosh, we dont need this here too.

Like trini said, if we continue at this rate, we will have nothing at all to go on

Considering the amount of effort I've put into making cases against Bg and trini, I am a bit insulted right now.

[BGtheBrain]

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[Rodion]

Could you please keep it to Mafia Discussions for now? We have had enough side tracking with the whole soccer team kabosh, we dont need this here too.

Just completely ignore the guide while I'm alive in the game. After I die, check it.

If you can follow those easy steps, my posting will by no means harm the D1 discussion.

As far as D1 is concerned, I would like some prods to spike the activity. How about you prod everyone that has not posted since friday, Saf?

[MoB Deadly]

Considering the amount of effort I've put into making cases against Bg and trini, I am a bit insulted right now.

Im sorry Strike Wolf, I DO appreciate your cases, you are one of the few that ARE contributing. I just dont agree with the cases enough to put a vote on them. I hate D1 so much

[safariguy5]

Just post who you want me to prod, I'll send out the prod's ASAP.

[BGtheBrain]

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[safariguy5]

Vote Count

Leitz
MoB Deadly
Rodion (2) - jimfinn, shieldgenerator7
jimfinn
shieldgenerator7
jonty125
dazza2008
trinicardinal
Swifte
drunkmonkey
BGtheBrain (3)- strike, jonty, Rodion
Epitaph1
betiko (5) - Leitz, drunkmonkey, chapcrap, dazza, BGtheBrain
MeDeFe
chapcrap (1) - betiko
strike wolf

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline in 6 Days.

I will prod shield and jim.

[jimfinn]

I think that Rodion's guide is helpful, and I don't consider it a disruption. New players might not necessarily check the mafia discussion forum.

Also useful are the following:
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Roles
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?tit ... reviations

[jimfinn]

EBWOP: I'm going to unvote as well, Rodion's being more useful now.

[Swifte]

Just post who you want me to prod, I'll send out the prod's ASAP.

I'll run through and update my last posting list when i get home in an hour or so.

[strike wolf]

I thought Trini voted, but in fact trini didnt. He did hint at voting, but never actually did. Thats my bad.

you're skimming goes beyond trini voting or not.

a. you claimed I didn't go into a case on trini for doing the same thing as you other than 1 line. I created a whole case on trini previously.

B. you argued about the others on the betiko case and me not going after them. I had already made it clear that I had felt that the rest had contributed more to the game than you had.

I see fairly clear evidence of skimming.

so my lack of contribution is a greater threat than the people posting nonsense and distracting from the game?

Quite simply. Yes. Fluff happens day 1. It can be annoying and distracting but it is something that happens. I cannot crucify anyone for the fluff in this game. Even if it may be tempting. Your lack of contribution (which extends beyond not participating in the fluff) is a more reliable sign of scum behavior.

I stated my reasoning for the vote.

so the options are this.

Randomly pressure someone
Pressure someone who says something kind of weird.

And I made it clear why I did not feel it was adequate in terms of what was happening in the game/

yes I will stand by my argument. If someone says something weird I will in fact pressure them.

It seems to me your main concern was that I did not address betikos defense of himself. I didnt address it because I felt it was pointless backtracking and I dont think he was being honest. I think he meant his original statement and to clarify it later, had no impact on my feeling that the statement and unjustified trust was in fact weird.

A few things about this don't add up.

1. How is it backtracking? Betiko explained his reasoning. Explaining how you did not believe them and creating discussion is not back tracking.

2. To expound. If this is truly how you felt you did a piss poor job explaining it and this sounds like a back track to explain an earlier position.

3. you even stated you sympathized with him and trying to get something started but having it backfire. This doesn't feel fully consistent with what you are saying now.

[Swifte]

Considering the amount of effort I've put into making cases against Bg and trini, I am a bit insulted right now.

Im sorry Strike Wolf, I DO appreciate your cases, you are one of the few that ARE contributing. I just dont agree with the cases enough to put a vote on them. I hate D1 so much

[BGtheBrain]

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[MoB Deadly]

*sigh*

Strike makes case - no one follows

Strike makes case - no one follows

Strike makes case - no one follows

Strike feels insulted - no one follows

Strike makes case - TBD

unvote vote BG For always causing D1 rivalry. First Squirrel, now strike