End Time Prophesy (Are we living it?)

[jay_a2j]

hmmmmm.......

the topic of freemasonry is really an interesting topic that people can discuss and yet no one really actually "knows" much about. when it comes to freemasons you can study as much as you want, but unless you have an inside source that has chosen to go against what he swore and devulge the inner workings of it, all the information you can come by will be filtered to suit the public perception of a very family oriented, socially acceptable organization.

Let's start with the basics. Masons are not Christians by any means. Christians might have joined the mason organization because they were invited and they believe that it's a great group to join, but masons pray to 3 different gods (yes, they pray). In their secret meetings they will split apart into groups of three and pray their ritual prayer, each allowed only to say one part of their "god's" name. In actuallity each part is a seperate god. Forgive me as i don't remember the names that they use, but i do remember the gods that they pray to. The first is God. The heavenly Father of the Christians (my God), the head of the Holy Trinity. The Second is Baal. If any of you know much about the Bible, Baal is a frequently worshipped god in the old testiment. The third is Osiris, god of the ancient Egyptians. The lower level masons believe that they are praying to the three different parts of the Holy Trinity or whatever they have been told, but they aren't.

Now the reason I said that masons aren't Christians by any means is that if you are a Christian with any level of discernment you would not be found in a group that would not allow you to speak the name of God by yourself. Also, a true Christian wouldn't allow himself to be put into a situation where you would not be allowed to talk about anything that happens in those kind of meetings. When a mason is sworn in he must be blindfolded and kneel before the head of the group while reciting an oath not to speak of anything that happens inside the group. They have a knife or a sword put to the throat or chest (i don't remember which) and recite 3 different oaths stating various things to the extent of devulging secrets of the masons will lead to dismemberment and death.

Masons are not Christians.

Hmmmm information that only a mason would know.

[Juan_Bottom]

hmmmmm.......

the topic of freemasonry is really an interesting topic that people can discuss and yet no one really actually "knows" much about. when it comes to freemasons you can study as much as you want, but unless you have an inside source that has chosen to go against what he swore and devulge the inner workings of it, all the information you can come by will be filtered to suit the public perception of a very family oriented, socially acceptable organization.

Let's start with the basics. Masons are not Christians by any means. Christians might have joined the mason organization because they were invited and they believe that it's a great group to join, but masons pray to 3 different gods (yes, they pray). In their secret meetings they will split apart into groups of three and pray their ritual prayer, each allowed only to say one part of their "god's" name. In actuallity each part is a seperate god. Forgive me as i don't remember the names that they use, but i do remember the gods that they pray to. The first is God. The heavenly Father of the Christians (my God), the head of the Holy Trinity. The Second is Baal. If any of you know much about the Bible, Baal is a frequently worshipped god in the old testiment. The third is Osiris, god of the ancient Egyptians. The lower level masons believe that they are praying to the three different parts of the Holy Trinity or whatever they have been told, but they aren't.

Now the reason I said that masons aren't Christians by any means is that if you are a Christian with any level of discernment you would not be found in a group that would not allow you to speak the name of God by yourself. Also, a true Christian wouldn't allow himself to be put into a situation where you would not be allowed to talk about anything that happens in those kind of meetings. When a mason is sworn in he must be blindfolded and kneel before the head of the group while reciting an oath not to speak of anything that happens inside the group. They have a knife or a sword put to the throat or chest (i don't remember which) and recite 3 different oaths stating various things to the extent of devulging secrets of the masons will lead to dismemberment and death.

Masons are not Christians.

Hmmmm information that only a mason would know.

Oh no!!!!! Not PACKRAT, I can vouch for him. He's one of those "extra crispy Christians." Not "original recipy." He takes his faith seriously....... he's one of them "Bible Readers!"

I asked him to share some of the info that he knows. He spent some time in the library, but that's his story to tell.

[packrat31306]

juan....that's only part of it. i just don't have time to get into the rest of it right now.

[heavycola]

hmmmmm.......

the topic of freemasonry is really an interesting topic that people can discuss and yet no one really actually "knows" much about. when it comes to freemasons you can study as much as you want, but unless you have an inside source that has chosen to go against what he swore and devulge the inner workings of it, all the information you can come by will be filtered to suit the public perception of a very family oriented, socially acceptable organization.

Let's start with the basics. Masons are not Christians by any means. Christians might have joined the mason organization because they were invited and they believe that it's a great group to join, but masons pray to 3 different gods (yes, they pray). In their secret meetings they will split apart into groups of three and pray their ritual prayer, each allowed only to say one part of their "god's" name. In actuallity each part is a seperate god. Forgive me as i don't remember the names that they use, but i do remember the gods that they pray to. The first is God. The heavenly Father of the Christians (my God), the head of the Holy Trinity. The Second is Baal. If any of you know much about the Bible, Baal is a frequently worshipped god in the old testiment. The third is Osiris, god of the ancient Egyptians. The lower level masons believe that they are praying to the three different parts of the Holy Trinity or whatever they have been told, but they aren't.

Now the reason I said that masons aren't Christians by any means is that if you are a Christian with any level of discernment you would not be found in a group that would not allow you to speak the name of God by yourself. Also, a true Christian wouldn't allow himself to be put into a situation where you would not be allowed to talk about anything that happens in those kind of meetings. When a mason is sworn in he must be blindfolded and kneel before the head of the group while reciting an oath not to speak of anything that happens inside the group. They have a knife or a sword put to the throat or chest (i don't remember which) and recite 3 different oaths stating various things to the extent of devulging secrets of the masons will lead to dismemberment and death.

Masons are not Christians.

Hmmmm information that only a mason would know.

Well you seem to know a lot too. Oh wait - super-secret societies crumble before the power of YOUTUBE!
I used to work in a pub that was frequented by local masons. It's an old boys club, all ridiculous costumes and knuckle-heavy handshakes they used to try on me when i was pissed. But they weren't devil worshippers.

[joecoolfrog]

Economic collapse on our doorstep! (Didn't I say something about this months ago? As well as others?)

When will it collapse Jay? Care to give us a time frame?

Or are all your doomsday prophesies conveniently open ended?

Many say September '08.


As for all this Mason talk, they are Satan worshipers (the higher degree one's anyway) Frogboy its not bullocks. Probably at the lower levels they would like you to have faith in something, so that when you reach the higher degrees it will be easier to "convert " you. And no true Christian would be in the high degrees of Masonry. We know that Satan loses in the end.


You guys would be astounded at how this Satanic Secret Society falls right in line with Bible prophesy. When the Antichrist arises he will be possessed by Satan. He will preform awesome miracles and deceive many. He will FORCE all people to worship him or be put to death. Take his "mark" and your soul belongs to Satan.

You are just talking drivel once again.

[joecoolfrog]

hmmmmm.......

the topic of freemasonry is really an interesting topic that people can discuss and yet no one really actually "knows" much about. when it comes to freemasons you can study as much as you want, but unless you have an inside source that has chosen to go against what he swore and devulge the inner workings of it, all the information you can come by will be filtered to suit the public perception of a very family oriented, socially acceptable organization.

Let's start with the basics. Masons are not Christians by any means. Christians might have joined the mason organization because they were invited and they believe that it's a great group to join, but masons pray to 3 different gods (yes, they pray). In their secret meetings they will split apart into groups of three and pray their ritual prayer, each allowed only to say one part of their "god's" name. In actuallity each part is a seperate god. Forgive me as i don't remember the names that they use, but i do remember the gods that they pray to. The first is God. The heavenly Father of the Christians (my God), the head of the Holy Trinity. The Second is Baal. If any of you know much about the Bible, Baal is a frequently worshipped god in the old testiment. The third is Osiris, god of the ancient Egyptians. The lower level masons believe that they are praying to the three different parts of the Holy Trinity or whatever they have been told, but they aren't.

Now the reason I said that masons aren't Christians by any means is that if you are a Christian with any level of discernment you would not be found in a group that would not allow you to speak the name of God by yourself. Also, a true Christian wouldn't allow himself to be put into a situation where you would not be allowed to talk about anything that happens in those kind of meetings. When a mason is sworn in he must be blindfolded and kneel before the head of the group while reciting an oath not to speak of anything that happens inside the group. They have a knife or a sword put to the throat or chest (i don't remember which) and recite 3 different oaths stating various things to the extent of devulging secrets of the masons will lead to dismemberment and death.

Masons are not Christians.

Hmmmm information that only a mason would know.

Well you seem to know a lot too. Oh wait - super-secret societies crumble before the power of YOUTUBE!
I used to work in a pub that was frequented by local masons. It's an old boys club, all ridiculous costumes and knuckle-heavy handshakes they used to try on me when i was pissed. But they weren't devil worshippers.

Was the pub in Holborn by any chance ?

[MeDeFe]

Many say September '08.

As for all this Mason talk, they are Satan worshipers (the higher degree one's anyway) Frogboy its not bullocks. Probably at the lower levels they would like you to have faith in something, so that when you reach the higher degrees it will be easier to "convert " you. And no true Christian would be in the high degrees of Masonry. We know that Satan loses in the end.

You guys would be astounded at how this Satanic Secret Society falls right in line with Bible prophesy. When the Antichrist arises he will be possessed by Satan. He will preform awesome miracles and deceive many. He will FORCE all people to worship him or be put to death. Take his "mark" and your soul belongs to Satan.

"Bollocks", jay, it's spelt "bollocks".

[ParadiceCity9]

Many say September '08.

As for all this Mason talk, they are Satan worshipers (the higher degree one's anyway) Frogboy its not bullocks. Probably at the lower levels they would like you to have faith in something, so that when you reach the higher degrees it will be easier to "convert " you. And no true Christian would be in the high degrees of Masonry. We know that Satan loses in the end.

You guys would be astounded at how this Satanic Secret Society falls right in line with Bible prophesy. When the Antichrist arises he will be possessed by Satan. He will preform awesome miracles and deceive many. He will FORCE all people to worship him or be put to death. Take his "mark" and your soul belongs to Satan.

"Bollocks", jay, it's spelt "bollocks".

I had a shop teacher, Mr. Bullock. But he was not bollocks.

[comic boy]

Many say September '08.

As for all this Mason talk, they are Satan worshipers (the higher degree one's anyway) Frogboy its not bullocks. Probably at the lower levels they would like you to have faith in something, so that when you reach the higher degrees it will be easier to "convert " you. And no true Christian would be in the high degrees of Masonry. We know that Satan loses in the end.

You guys would be astounded at how this Satanic Secret Society falls right in line with Bible prophesy. When the Antichrist arises he will be possessed by Satan. He will preform awesome miracles and deceive many. He will FORCE all people to worship him or be put to death. Take his "mark" and your soul belongs to Satan.

"Bollocks", jay, it's spelt "bollocks".

I had a shop teacher, Mr. Bullock. But he was not bollocks.

' We Know that Satan loses in the end ' - Do we and precisely what does he lose and to who, can I buy tickets for the event ?
' Satanic Secret Society ' - An imaginary group to fit an open ended prophesy......wow thats convincing !
' Masons are all Satan Worshipers '- They told you this did they ?
' Well the higher ones anyway ' - Didnt realise you socialised in such company or do they employ you as a jester ?

Jay I dont know if you realise this but in order to be taken seriously you actually have to construct a post with something substansive, a series of vague utterings simply reinforces the view that you have reached the early stages of senility.

[heavycola]

hmmmmm.......

the topic of freemasonry is really an interesting topic that people can discuss and yet no one really actually "knows" much about. when it comes to freemasons you can study as much as you want, but unless you have an inside source that has chosen to go against what he swore and devulge the inner workings of it, all the information you can come by will be filtered to suit the public perception of a very family oriented, socially acceptable organization.

Let's start with the basics. Masons are not Christians by any means. Christians might have joined the mason organization because they were invited and they believe that it's a great group to join, but masons pray to 3 different gods (yes, they pray). In their secret meetings they will split apart into groups of three and pray their ritual prayer, each allowed only to say one part of their "god's" name. In actuallity each part is a seperate god. Forgive me as i don't remember the names that they use, but i do remember the gods that they pray to. The first is God. The heavenly Father of the Christians (my God), the head of the Holy Trinity. The Second is Baal. If any of you know much about the Bible, Baal is a frequently worshipped god in the old testiment. The third is Osiris, god of the ancient Egyptians. The lower level masons believe that they are praying to the three different parts of the Holy Trinity or whatever they have been told, but they aren't.

Now the reason I said that masons aren't Christians by any means is that if you are a Christian with any level of discernment you would not be found in a group that would not allow you to speak the name of God by yourself. Also, a true Christian wouldn't allow himself to be put into a situation where you would not be allowed to talk about anything that happens in those kind of meetings. When a mason is sworn in he must be blindfolded and kneel before the head of the group while reciting an oath not to speak of anything that happens inside the group. They have a knife or a sword put to the throat or chest (i don't remember which) and recite 3 different oaths stating various things to the extent of devulging secrets of the masons will lead to dismemberment and death.

Masons are not Christians.

Hmmmm information that only a mason would know.

Well you seem to know a lot too. Oh wait - super-secret societies crumble before the power of YOUTUBE!
I used to work in a pub that was frequented by local masons. It's an old boys club, all ridiculous costumes and knuckle-heavy handshakes they used to try on me when i was pissed. But they weren't devil worshippers.

Was the pub in Holborn by any chance ?

no, it was in Scotland, but i know the pub(s) you mean, just outside freemason HQ. On London Open House weekend they let you go in there and poke around. I only found one guy trying to summon beelzebub and he swore he was a tourist from Denver.

[Dancing Mustard]

All of you are clearly fucking Freemason cultists. You must be exterminated for the good of the prophecy.

[heavycola]

All of you are clearly fucking Freemason cultists. You must be exterminated for the good of the prophecy.

It's the get-out clause for the 21st century!

'Honey, why are you shagging my twin nieces?'
'It's all for the good of the prophecy. Close the door, please.'

'George, why are you nuking Iran?'
'Alll for the good of the prophecy.'

etc
etc.

because if you study the bible hard enough, you can justify anything!
As these forums continually demonstrate.

[jay_a2j]

Hmmm, well the economic collapse of 9/08 might just turn out to be a rumor. I just got a book (on end time prophesy) and it pointed out (and I agree) that if Revelation 18 is talking about the USA, then the US economy can not collapse, because Rev. 18 tells of the destruction of a rich and prosperous nation and the "merchants" of the Earth mourn her destruction because "who will now buy their goods?". So, an economic collapse breaks Revelation 18.

[Dancing Mustard]

an economic collapse breaks Revelation 18.

Oh don't worry about that, it's all just fairytale bollocks anyway.

[Backglass]

Hmmm, well the economic collapse of 9/08 might just turn out to be a rumor.

Ya think?

Changing your tune now? Or do you just extend the end date by a year every time the deadline passes?

[jay_a2j]

Hmmm, well the economic collapse of 9/08 might just turn out to be a rumor.

Ya think?

Changing your tune now? Or do you just extend the end date by a year every time the deadline passes?

No, its called seeing something in scripture that requires you to reassess. (yeah I know backglass, reassessing is not your strong suit, for it requires an open mind)

[heavycola]

Hmmm, well the economic collapse of 9/08 might just turn out to be a rumor.

Ya think?

Changing your tune now? Or do you just extend the end date by a year every time the deadline passes?

No, its called seeing something in scripture that requires you to reassess. (yeah I know backglass, reassessing is not your strong suit, for it requires an open mind)

to be fair, you didn't see something in scripture you had to reassess - you read a book by some guy who thought that.
And jay, accusing anyoen of being closed minded is, for you, an act of unspeakable hypocrisy. Anwyay - I'm getting your new avatar ready as we speak...

[Neoteny]

no, it was in Scotland, but i know the pub(s) you mean, just outside freemason HQ. On London Open House weekend they let you go in there and poke around. I only found one guy trying to summon beelzebub and he swore he was a tourist from Denver.

Score one more for America!

[Backglass]

No, its called seeing something in scripture that requires you to reassess. (yeah I know backglass, reassessing is not your strong suit, for it requires an open mind)

Yet another "re-interpretation" I see.

Tomorrow you will find another jewel that fits your whim I suppose.

Such a convenient religion. Just keep reading until you find something that fits!

[jay_a2j]

No, its called seeing something in scripture that requires you to reassess. (yeah I know backglass, reassessing is not your strong suit, for it requires an open mind)

Yet another "re-interpretation" I see.

Tomorrow you will find another jewel that fits your whim I suppose.

Such a convenient religion. Just keep reading until you find something that fits!

It's not a "re-interpretation". Revelation 18, continues to read the same way. Economic collapse is NOT in scripture. Those propagating an economic collapse for 9/08 (as I had believed) didn't TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, Rev 18. Has nothing to do with interpretation.

[Minister Masket]

Surely wicked's dismissal fits in with the prophesy somewhere?

[jay_a2j]

Planet X Found 30 June 08 on MS World Wide Telescope???



Oh it gets better (or worse depending your point of view)


Nibiru Doomsday Prophecy 2012 Exposed By 12thCentury Prophet

[Jenos Ridan]

Jay,

If the US is the nation of merchants, who is the Fourth Kingdom? The eight false kings (nine if you count the Anti-Christ)? What exactly is the seven-headed beast (a city, a government, etc) and the Great Harlot (a person, a philosophy, etc)? If the true believers are not Raptured before the Tribulation, then when? Who/What are Gog and Magog? Which nations will be fighting in the Jezeral(sp?) Valley in the end battle?

Just curious.

[Juan_Bottom]

Jay,

If the US is the nation of merchants, who is the Fourth Kingdom? The eight false kings (nine if you count the Anti-Christ)? What exactly is the seven-headed beast (a city, a government, etc) and the Great Harlot (a person, a philosophy, etc)? If the true believers are not Raptured before the Tribulation, then when? Who/What are Gog and Magog? Which nations will be fighting in the Jezeral(sp?) Valley in the end battle?

Just curious.

The seven-headed beast is ROME. Old Rome sits on seven hills. Maybe Jay could even interperet that as the VATICAN????.... But I just watched some Bible scholors discuss this on the History(Bible) channel.

[jay_a2j]

Jay,

If the US is the nation of merchants, who is the Fourth Kingdom? The eight false kings (nine if you count the Anti-Christ)? What exactly is the seven-headed beast (a city, a government, etc) and the Great Harlot (a person, a philosophy, etc)? If the true believers are not Raptured before the Tribulation, then when? Who/What are Gog and Magog? Which nations will be fighting in the Jezeral(sp?) Valley in the end battle?

Just curious.

The 4th kingdom mentioned in the book of Daniel is the Revived Roman Empire. (the EU) Not sure what you are talking about with "the 8 false kings". The seven headed beast is a government, the woman (harlot) on its back is a religion. (Roman Catholic Church?) The pre-tribulation rapture is a false doctrine, God will send His angels to "gather up the elect" at the end of the tribulation.


Last question I'll answer with an illustration:



Battle of Armageddon (Notice the United States is not involved)