[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

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Damn, for a sec I thought storr died bringing Marashu back a second time.

It feels like there's a bit of a transitioning problem going on behind the scenes (Though we could all be a bit more understanding about it while things are sorted out ) So I'm not sure if anything screwy is going on quite yet, beyond the usual overall screwiness at least.

[the white rose]

LSU, what gift did you give benga

who gave you a gift? why can't you use it?

explain please

[LSU Tiger Josh]

You have never given a full claim from the beginning so why don't you answer that.

[PLAYER57832]

That is,VOTE lynch Aladdin
open to reasons for another lynch

Eny partiklar reeson, apart frum OMGUS, dat you don't want to vote orf teh shortlist of two (Deg and Rish)? You know, Mafia isn't reely about just counterattaking enyone who eggspresses suspishun about you. I menshunned dat both you and DJP seemed partiklarly keen to linch Wing qwikly wen I was corling fer peepul to take there time and tink it thru, and WHAM! both of you have gone full OMGUS. It dozent do a lot to allay my suspishuns, but prob just a result of not wanting to do teh hard analisis and re-reeding dat scum-hunting rekwires.

I was wrong about wing, so am more inclined to accept what he said.

Per the Rish/Deg, I am not sure. Nor sure about you, either.. looking for folk's reactions.

[PLAYER57832]

Missed stor's death and Aladdin's town confirm earlier, so changing my vote
Unvote Aladdin. Vote Rish

[madmitch]

I Always thought their was something scummy about Storr , then he brings back a insane cop whose reads would be backward . just glad they are gone, so who do we go after next town? we better get it right this time.

[Ragian]

I don't like everyone I work with on a daily basis either, but we can still play ball and win together.

@benga, no unfortunately the gift wasn't from me. I got back home yesterday only to find that the day had already started. No invention from me this time.

Also, I can see that streaker was in an accident. I hope him and his loved ones are alright. Cheers, Wing, for helping out dakky, and cheers dakky for sticking with it with people still moaning.

I feel today should be about deg or rish (as I still have faith in my invention). Anyone has any reason why it should be not?

Perhaps we should also look at some patterns?
- I am tied to benga who has cleared me.
- Who was it that cleared TWR?
- Has anyone cleared Aladdin?
- Are others "confirmed" town?

...I need to start taking notes of this game.

[rishaed]

Last Night I jailed storr, as a confirmed townie that I could actually understand where he was coming from, and liked much of his logic, which late game is pretty important to have people you can trust. Obviously this does not negate anything related to day actions, but I assume that since ragian said that he didn't get an invention made and benga has an invention from LSU that storr's death was tied to Marashu living. Also I am loathe to trust the any inventions right now, because none of them have proven useful whatsoever.
I believe Marashu claimed to clear Aladdin, and Mets has claimed that Aladdin didn't have a gun last night (which means he is not a killer so by extension he is not mafia.)
I am currently going to vote No Lynch As I am very busy still, and do not believe from my notes that Deg scum, which also makes me not trust ragians invention.
The main person I'm leaning as scum for right now is player, but I might be tunnelling on him from what i have, and the fact that he voted me. I am going to reread and make a decent case before I actually vote him though.

[AladdinSane]

I think you hit the nail on the head. Storr died when and because Mars was killed.

Wun ting dat bothers me about dat is, if Storr died becorse Marashu died, why didn't Storr die overnite like Marashu? Why teh delayed reackshun? Cood be moderror, sinse their seemed to be sum confushun over Storr's alinement as well.

I wunder how sewiously we shood take the ackshual deth seen dat Wing rote? Storr promised forgivness and retribushun just before he died. Does dat meen enyting?

[the white rose]

You have never given a full claim from the beginning so why don't you answer that.

look, i am working towards a town win, sometimes it feels like pissing in the wind.

we have lynched wing, whom i particularly refused to hammer, even though he was less than complimentary about me, we have lynched falco, again, i was not on his bandwagon. I was however on the vote for both the 3p's we lynched.

furthermore, i have been cleared by the confirmed cop (marashu).

Now I will tell you that my role does not have any investigative powers, so i have no information to share with town, what good would claiming be to town? All it would do would give vital information to mafia, who then may or may not decide to kill me.

I believe the only ones trying to get me to reveal my role are scum, the reason for that is because they are the only ones that would benefit from knowing my role....however should the majority of those left alive decide to force me to claim i will do so. If there was ever a reason for a townie to false claim, then this is it.

Let me give you an example, and please, this is not a claim just a reason why one would not want to claim.

suppose i had a protective role to play, such as doc jailbreaker or some other role, and i claimed i would be the number one target to be killed, on the other hand suppose my role was a protected role, such as bulletproof and if targetted by mafia would result in a no kill night, who would benefit by knowing which category i fall into? how would it help town win? it would certainly help mafia win, as if i were the former then they would kill me, if the latter they would leave me well alone.

if i were bulletproof then there is a case to claim doc and mafia would have a no kill when trying to nk me, otoh, if i were doc then i would claim bulletproof so that mafia would leave me alone to protect townies.

town should just accept that and treat me as a vt.

[the white rose]

You have never given a full claim from the beginning so why don't you answer that.

because if i did, it would help you decide whether to nk me or not and i ain't in the habit of helping scum do anything other than die

[madmitch]

Mars was an insane town cop which would mean his reads were backwards, so him saying someone was town made them not town . FOS TWR

[the white rose]

Mars was an insane town cop which would mean his reads were backwards, so him saying someone was town made them not town . FOS TWR

yes, but the point is mitch, he knew he was insane at this stage, so when he investigated me he found me to be scum, knowing he was insane he reversed this to clear me......keep up

[the white rose]

Mars was an insane town cop which would mean his reads were backwards, so him saying someone was town made them not town . FOS TWR

yes, but the point is mitch, he knew he was insane at this stage, so when he investigated me he found me to be scum, knowing he was insane he reversed this to clear me......keep up

ebwop

also i think you will find that i was cleared by mets too. have to go back and check that

[the white rose]

N3 I investigated twr (didn't like how much of a big deal was being made of keeping the role secret), and the result was anti-town. I have no reason to believe that my sanity has flipped, so unless I was redirected somehow, I can say that twr is town.

seems clear to me

[benga]

Benga your gift is indeed from me. You aren't being manipulated. It was mentioned that I should do one that should be used on me so I can try to verify if I'm just insane or completely goofy inventor.

Storr's death was probably tied to giving his life force to our raised insane cop and having them go down together.

Someone gave me a gift last night, but I'm not able to use it. If it's not Ragian, then we have someone lying about their ability.

Benga I'll be messaging Dakky and find out why all of a sudden you can't use my gift during the day when every other invention I did was able to be done then.

I got an item stating it's from mafia, initially I thought someone slipped me this item to make more of case on you, but now you are doing it alone


vote rish, he jailed storr and before that wing

others I presume to be scum are /, player, dj, rizky

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Vote Count

Rish (2) - players, benga
No lynch (1) - rish

8 to lynch. Deadline monday 29th 12:00 CC time

[Ragian]

Last Night I jailed storr, as a confirmed townie that I could actually understand where he was coming from, and liked much of his logic, which late game is pretty important to have people you can trust. Obviously this does not negate anything related to day actions, but I assume that since ragian said that he didn't get an invention made and benga has an invention from LSU that storr's death was tied to Marashu living. Also I am loathe to trust the any inventions right now, because none of them have proven useful whatsoever. Well, that's a bit of a stretch, I feel. Deg's gift N1 could've been useful if used properly.
I believe Marashu claimed to clear Aladdin, and Mets has claimed that Aladdin didn't have a gun last night (which means he is not a killer so by extension he is not mafia.)
I am currently going to vote No Lynch As I am very busy still, and do not believe from my notes that Deg scum, which also makes me not trust ragians invention. One of you and Deg is scum. Nothing tells us that my inventions are faulty.
The main person I'm leaning as scum for right now is player, but I might be tunnelling on him from what i have, and the fact that he voted me. I am going to reread and make a decent case before I actually vote him though.

Benga your gift is indeed from me. You aren't being manipulated. It was mentioned that I should do one that should be used on me so I can try to verify if I'm just insane or completely goofy inventor.

Storr's death was probably tied to giving his life force to our raised insane cop and having them go down together.

Someone gave me a gift last night, but I'm not able to use it. If it's not Ragian, then we have someone lying about their ability.

Benga I'll be messaging Dakky and find out why all of a sudden you can't use my gift during the day when every other invention I did was able to be done then.

I got an item stating it's from mafia, initially I thought someone slipped me this item to make more of case on you, but now you are doing it alone


vote rish, he jailed storr and before that wing

others I presume to be scum are /, player, dj, rizky

Wait a minute. Am I reading this wrong or are you saying that your gift "was from mafia"?

[the white rose]

.....and LSU says it was from so what does that make LSU

vote LSU

[rizky_biznezz]

Just getting back in here today thought the night would have gone longer sorry.. got some reading to catch up on but so far ouch...

[Metsfanmax]

You have never given a full claim from the beginning so why don't you answer that.

look, i am working towards a town win, sometimes it feels like pissing in the wind.

we have lynched wing, whom i particularly refused to hammer, even though he was less than complimentary about me, we have lynched falco, again, i was not on his bandwagon. I was however on the vote for both the 3p's we lynched.

furthermore, i have been cleared by the confirmed cop (marashu).

Now I will tell you that my role does not have any investigative powers, so i have no information to share with town, what good would claiming be to town? All it would do would give vital information to mafia, who then may or may not decide to kill me.

I believe the only ones trying to get me to reveal my role are scum, the reason for that is because they are the only ones that would benefit from knowing my role....however should the majority of those left alive decide to force me to claim i will do so. If there was ever a reason for a townie to false claim, then this is it.

Let me give you an example, and please, this is not a claim just a reason why one would not want to claim.

suppose i had a protective role to play, such as doc jailbreaker or some other role, and i claimed i would be the number one target to be killed, on the other hand suppose my role was a protected role, such as bulletproof and if targetted by mafia would result in a no kill night, who would benefit by knowing which category i fall into? how would it help town win? it would certainly help mafia win, as if i were the former then they would kill me, if the latter they would leave me well alone.

if i were bulletproof then there is a case to claim doc and mafia would have a no kill when trying to nk me, otoh, if i were doc then i would claim bulletproof so that mafia would leave me alone to protect townies.

town should just accept that and treat me as a vt.

No, this is not how things work. When we were semi-mass-claiming earlier in the game, you didn't just say "it would probably benefit mafia more than town for me to claim." You literally said something to the effect of "no sane person would EVER claim in my position." The problem is that you either were being intentionally obtuse then (and now), or you're being scummy, because that was completely failing to acknowledge the other side of the argument. The other side of the argument, of course, is that if everyone claims, then the goal is to figure out who is lying and just lynch them in short order. Now, it didn't work this way in practice (in part because people like you did not contribute), and I was skeptical of the mass claim even at the time. But you completely failed to acknowledge that there could be any reasons for you to claim, which is just stupid because it's not like Storr or the rest of us weren't considering the possibility that you were a doc and didn't want to get killed. In fact it was completely obvious to anyone who was thinking at the time that you probably are a doc, or something to that effect, because by refusing to claim and saying your role was so important that you wouldn't dare claim, you still let mafia know that you had some sort of important power role. I mean really, this isn't that hard to figure out. So not only were you blindly arrogant about it then (and now), you couldn't even figure out that there might be legitimate arguments opposing your position, which means you should feel bad about your play.

[Metsfanmax]

I mean really, this is a game with gods, inventors, insane cops, mass communication specialists, and flying pumpkins that shoot lasers out of their asses. Whatever your role is, it's not that special.

[benga]

Sorry my drunk ass got it wrong, title of pm was surprise mafia item

[AladdinSane]

I'm going to be on teh rode (or, moor akurately, in teh sky) tomorow (my time), so prob wont be posting. Lots to mull over. At teh moment I am inclined to linch agin frum the alinement indikator list (i.e. Deg or Rish), leening Deg, but as I have sed before, we don't have positive evidense of eny of Ragian's invenchuns aktually werking, so not wedded to teh idee.

Still, we don't have mutch in teh way of other leeds...

[Iron Butterfly]

N3 I investigated twr (didn't like how much of a big deal was being made of keeping the role secret), and the result was anti-town. I have no reason to believe that my sanity has flipped, so unless I was redirected somehow, I can say that twr is town.

seems clear to me

Agreed.

I believe Benga is Town as well.