Halo: The Mafia: Day 6: End of the World as we KnowIt (9/25)

[safariguy5]

I can confirm redhedge is my mason partner. My hunter name is Uuta and he's Taark. Not like it matters.

I read up a bit on the Hunter lore on the Halo Wiki, they're those big blue armored tank things that shoot the plasma cannons at you in the games. Always come in pairs.

We both have to survive until endgame, if one of us dies, the other one will die as well. So Lover masons is the most accurate answer.

[vodean]

I can confirm redhedge is my mason partner. My hunter name is Uuta and he's Taark. Not like it matters.

I read up a bit on the Hunter lore on the Halo Wiki, they're those big blue armored tank things that shoot the plasma cannons at you in the games. Always come in pairs.

We both have to survive until endgame, if one of us dies, the other one will die as well. So Lover masons is the most accurate answer.

dude. you just made yourself PRIME mafia targets. they kill you, and get 3 kills out of you! (unless you are both hunters, in which case it is FOUR!!!!)

[DiM]

ok so i just wrote a heck of a post debating the possible roles and implications and safari just fast posted me and cleared everything up. lol.

[safariguy5]

I can confirm redhedge is my mason partner. My hunter name is Uuta and he's Taark. Not like it matters.

I read up a bit on the Hunter lore on the Halo Wiki, they're those big blue armored tank things that shoot the plasma cannons at you in the games. Always come in pairs.

We both have to survive until endgame, if one of us dies, the other one will die as well. So Lover masons is the most accurate answer.

dude. you just made yourself PRIME mafia targets. they kill you, and get 3 kills out of you! (unless you are both hunters, in which case it is FOUR!!!!)

Except we're survivors, not town. Why mafia would bother killing us is beyond me.

Incidentally, who do we think is mafia this game? Covenant? USMC? Brutes/Prophets? Flood could be cult, but they could be mafia and have Gravemind as the Godfather.

[pmchugh]

Not a bad find for a bunch of sheep.

If anyone claims that was more than luck I will up and suicide. The guy doesn't has as much clue as I do as to what his role is, probably less and I misread his post.

Survivor?

FOS PMC for skimming

unvote No reason not to believe the claim, unless saf disagrees.

I wasn't skimming, I just presumed the emphasis was on survivor not hunter. As in survivor who can hunt, rather than someone who hunts survivors.

unvote vote redhedge- does not sound pro town at all.

uhm... have you been following along? do you know what a hunter is? i would imagine that it is normally a town role
vote pmc
you seem to be aggressively skimming. we could at least ask if they want to be pro-town and help us out!

I don't have a clue about halo but safari has just said that they need to survive to end game to win, and they are gonna be shooting left, right and centre. How is that pro-town?

[vodean]

Not a bad find for a bunch of sheep.

If anyone claims that was more than luck I will up and suicide. The guy doesn't has as much clue as I do as to what his role is, probably less and I misread his post.

Survivor?

FOS PMC for skimming

unvote No reason not to believe the claim, unless saf disagrees.

I wasn't skimming, I just presumed the emphasis was on survivor not hunter. As in survivor who can hunt, rather than someone who hunts survivors.

unvote vote redhedge- does not sound pro town at all.

uhm... have you been following along? do you know what a hunter is? i would imagine that it is normally a town role
vote pmc
you seem to be aggressively skimming. we could at least ask if they want to be pro-town and help us out!

I don't have a clue about halo but safari has just said that they need to survive to end game to win, and they are gonna be shooting left, right and centre. How is that pro-town?

they get ONE shot each. and it comes when they die. unless they are not really hunters, in which case they need to own up.

[DiM]

from what safariguy posted it is my understanding that their role is survivors and the hunter thing is just a flavour meaning they are halo hunters not mafia role hunters

so they are simple survivors with no hunting abilities.

[thehippo8]

Thanks Red and saf. My take is that they are third party and there is always the potential that they could win with town or mafia. Given that there is always more chance that town would win than mafia, I know whose side I would expect them to be on. As to being mafia targets, I can't see that. I'd expect mafia to seek and kill town power roles before worrying about claimed third parties (I believe proved third parties). So ... unvote.

@pmc ... hmm, obviously you're not a fan? Let me throw some fuel on that fire (and see what other expletives you want to throw my way). You said you think scumhunting is bad? Scumhunting is the aim of the game! We are here to find and lynch scum for as along as town survives. Anything contrary to that is scummy in the extreme. Voting Red after he accedes to his "punishment" to claim? Come on! You know he is a minimal threat to town and yet you want him lynched. You put him back to L-2 and it's sheer luck he isn't lynched already. Shame on you! Anyway, as one of the sheep I smell a wolf!

VOTE PMC

[lord voldemort]

I think one of them is a safe fall back to lynch if we get close to deadline. It's also good to note any covenant roles appear to be 3rd party. I don't blaim Pmc for his vote. 3rd parties aren't super helpful for us

[zimmah]

unvote

survivors are probably quite harmless.

[thehippo8]

I think one of them is a safe fall back to lynch if we get close to deadline. It's also good to note any covenant roles appear to be 3rd party. I don't blaim Pmc for his vote. 3rd parties aren't super helpful for us

Nah, you are right. SHouldn't vote in anger. UNVOTE

Spoiler

AN apology from you wouldn't hurt though PMC!

[zimmah]

But of THE convenant is 3rd party, who are we fighting? It cant be just THE flood right?

[safariguy5]

But of THE convenant is 3rd party, who are we fighting? It cant be just THE flood right?

Considering Halo 3, I'm guessing Brutes/Prophets could be mafia, Flood as cult is a possibility with 25 players.

And to clarify the killing, we have the ability to nightkill, and it is a linked role (so 1 kill between the 2 of us that we agree on) but it is not an SKer night kill that we have to kill every night, so I'm going to withhold fire until there is a clear target.

Additionally, if one of us dies, the other one will die, but they get to choose 1 person to die as well. So it's a vengeful mechanic.

[pmchugh]

Thanks Red and saf. My take is that they are third party and there is always the potential that they could win with town or mafia. Given that there is always more chance that town would win than mafia, I know whose side I would expect them to be on. As to being mafia targets, I can't see that. I'd expect mafia to seek and kill town power roles before worrying about claimed third parties (I believe proved third parties). So ... unvote.

@pmc ... hmm, obviously you're not a fan? Let me throw some fuel on that fire (and see what other expletives you want to throw my way). You said you think scumhunting is bad? Scumhunting is the aim of the game! We are here to find and lynch scum for as along as town survives. Anything contrary to that is scummy in the extreme. Voting Red after he accedes to his "punishment" to claim? Come on! You know he is a minimal threat to town and yet you want him lynched. You put him back to L-2 and it's sheer luck he isn't lynched already. Shame on you! Anyway, as one of the sheep I smell a wolf!

VOTE PMC

I was probably harsh, so I am sorry for the "prick" part but you were being condescending. Now that I understand they don't have kills I am not so bothered. At the same time they are still survivors and need to be watched closely to ensure they are working to help us and not hinder us.

unvote

[pmchugh]

Thanks Red and saf. My take is that they are third party and there is always the potential that they could win with town or mafia. Given that there is always more chance that town would win than mafia, I know whose side I would expect them to be on. As to being mafia targets, I can't see that. I'd expect mafia to seek and kill town power roles before worrying about claimed third parties (I believe proved third parties). So ... unvote.

@pmc ... hmm, obviously you're not a fan? Let me throw some fuel on that fire (and see what other expletives you want to throw my way). You said you think scumhunting is bad? Scumhunting is the aim of the game! We are here to find and lynch scum for as along as town survives. Anything contrary to that is scummy in the extreme. Voting Red after he accedes to his "punishment" to claim? Come on! You know he is a minimal threat to town and yet you want him lynched. You put him back to L-2 and it's sheer luck he isn't lynched already. Shame on you! Anyway, as one of the sheep I smell a wolf!

VOTE PMC

I was probably harsh, so I am sorry for the "prick" part but you were being condescending. Now that I understand they don't have kills I am not so bothered. At the same time they are still survivors and need to be watched closely to ensure they are working to help us and not hinder us.

unvote

EBWOP. Now that they promise not to kill. I am still unsure tbh, the possibility of kills near end game makes them even more dangerous.

[edocsil]

Thanks Red and saf. My take is that they are third party and there is always the potential that they could win with town or mafia. Given that there is always more chance that town would win than mafia, I know whose side I would expect them to be on. As to being mafia targets, I can't see that. I'd expect mafia to seek and kill town power roles before worrying about claimed third parties (I believe proved third parties). So ... unvote.

@pmc ... hmm, obviously you're not a fan? Let me throw some fuel on that fire (and see what other expletives you want to throw my way). You said you think scumhunting is bad? Scumhunting is the aim of the game! We are here to find and lynch scum for as along as town survives. Anything contrary to that is scummy in the extreme. Voting Red after he accedes to his "punishment" to claim? Come on! You know he is a minimal threat to town and yet you want him lynched. You put him back to L-2 and it's sheer luck he isn't lynched already. Shame on you! Anyway, as one of the sheep I smell a wolf!

VOTE PMC

Unvote Vote hippo
You are deliberately taking PMC's comments out of context and you know it. Survivor's (and due to his lack of flavor knowledge, it is obvious he assumes they have a kill, but more on that later) are acceptable to lynch day one, especially if they can be considered a threat. Beats randomly picking out the town power roles.

Thoughts on flavor.

Hunters



Frontline goons of the covenant forces. (ie, best guess for the bad guys.) Damn hard to kill in the games, especially if you don't take them from behind. However, with saf's lover claim I do not want to test to see if the Covenant are the bad guys today, especially due to the fact that the first scene had HUMANS shooting HUMANS. We might be dealing with a Halo 4 setting, which will really put a spin on who is bad, and who is good. Even Halo 3 could could have Ex-covenant as good guys (Hunters and Elites) Their names aren't on the net, but very few of the covenant are named anyhow, so that doesn't bother me much. Not good lynch candidates for today.

Fastpost: with saf's post the last portion of my post was irrelevant.

[samgrossy]

4.) ALL VOTES AND UNVOTES MUST BE IN EITHER BLUE OR JUST BOLDED... anything else and it will be IGNORED!

Okay - so I am relatively new to Mafia and I jumped the bandwagon with the rush to vote redhedge, then everyone was talking about things clearly written in the rules. I know that Post Edit and Votes being in blue are completely different, but its right their, written clearly.

So I guess we all need to revote in blue just to make sure we don't lynch someone mistakenly. I'll get off my high horse now.

Also, UNVOTE VOTE PMC Something isn't sitting right with me about him. Its just a feeling. That's all.

[thehippo8]

@ PMC Thanks for the kind comment. Incidentally, you are right ... later in the game we will need to keep tabs on where town sits because if toen falls too low thenthey will need to be considered targets. The pointis that we know who they are so I'd expect them to support town - at least for now! Frankly, third party surivors would be mindlessly stupid to do anything else (but that's just my experience from other games!).

@ Edoc ... that's just WIFOM and you know it. Frankly, I accept that I may have been a little sensitive about pmc - hence the unvote. But that doesn't explain your obscure vote for no apparent reason followed by a pretty picture and some introspection on Halo meta. In short, you will need to explain yourself a bit more if you are to retain any credibility. I note this post by vodean which, to be fair, you also have not adequately responded to.

@ Sam ... not sure if you understand the difference between FOS and VOTE. If you have a feeling then a FOS is appropriate as it stamps a concern. A vote needs to have a bit more, hence my withdrawing my vote on pmc. If you intend to keep your vote on pmc I'd like a bit more of an explanation from you, feelings are great (particularly as the game unfolds) but be careful not to "spend your wad" prematurely! If you intended on a vote then just post that and we'll all know that it is a feeling vote and not a meaningful one (if that is clear).

I note that kageryuu never adequately responded to crazy's omgus IMHO.

Prior to that we have jokevotes and scummarining concerns (but x-raider has just scraped by with being active - but come on x-raider we need to hear more from you to avoid that concern rising again).

Frankly, there are lots of you who have sat back and rested on your laurels due to the red issue. Time to state your views and come back to the game. Mafia doesn't play itself! But first I want to hear from kageryuu!

[edocsil]

It's not WIFOM, it's intent. Intent and effect are the best ways to determine who lies, and who does not. Your intent was to make a case by deliberately misinterpreting his actions so that you could steer an easy wagon towards him, when he has in fact been acting far more townish than most anyone else, if a touch abrasive. I don't need to make a damn wall of text to illustrate that point, any half assed player can read my few lines and understand what I am getting at.

The Meta is important, and I am surprised no one piled on Saf for flavor reasons. No one else had hardly even touched on flavor, and it needed to be done for those who are unfamiliar with the game.

Your link is broken. Do you mean this post?

unvote vote edoc
ok... redhedge messed up. but hes new. we cant go lynching him for that. PMC is right, and said that a while ago. since then you have continued to press just as hard... scummy.
since we could have up to 8 scum in this game it is possible (however unlikely) that half of them or more got together to cover up edoc's slip-up. because i dont think anyone experienced would pressure the noob for being a noob...
i think it might be nice to hear a claim, but we cant drive new members away because we are too hard on them
and also, edoc is just being really aggressive.

Because if you do, you should really look just beneath that post to see my response. I also adressed the same case when PCM leveled the exact same thing at me. If you weren't skimming so much, you would have known that.

On top of all of that your attack against me is blatant OMGUS. Instead attempting to counter my case, you try to undermine my credibility. This pretty mush says you agree with my points and they make you look bad, but you can't admit that without getting hung, so you attack me. This is totally scummy.

So we were talking about credibility here? It looks like you are broke on it, and mine is earning interest in the bank.

[thehippo8]

No, it was this one from page 15. The quote you chose has no relevance to crazy or kaga! Look, while I fully accept your cleverness, your post was not helpful then and its not helpful now. You continue your WIFOM. You blame me for pointing that out? Well, that's the cross you bear. In the meantime the rest of us can carry on with the game.

[zimmah]

No, it was this one from page 15. The quote you chose has no relevance to crazy or kaga! Look, while I fully accept your cleverness, your post was not helpful then and its not helpful now. You continue your WIFOM. You blame me for pointing that out? Well, that's the cross you bear. In the meantime the rest of us can carry on with the game.

Even though i have little to do With your fights, i think you are doing exactly as he claims. You're evading his questions by making him look bad. Not sure who's Side to pick on this but he has à point.

[thehippo8]

Even though i have little to do With your fights, i think you are doing exactly as he claims. You're evading his questions by making him look bad. Not sure who's Side to pick on this but he has à point.

I went back and had another look at PMC's original post (the one with the flavour and picture). I missed the first bit where he gave his views on the NS "case". Oops! Anyway, I'm not really attacking pmc, all I was saying was that was a distraction. On re-reading the post (and subsequent posts) I agree pmc has a point that we have missed the flavour somewhat. Other than that, I'm not sure what questions there are for me to answer.

I'd still like to hear from kaga.

[edocsil]

No, it was this one from page 15. The quote you chose has no relevance to crazy or kaga! Look, while I fully accept your cleverness, your post was not helpful then and its not helpful now. You continue your WIFOM. You blame me for pointing that out? Well, that's the cross you bear. In the meantime the rest of us can carry on with the game.

That post isn't directed at me? Vodean's only post on that page is in accord with my votes? Where did crazy and kaga come from, we are talking about me and vodean? Page 15 was still solid jokes, no substance at all.

@ Edoc ... that's just WIFOM and you know it. Frankly, I accept that I may have been a little sensitive about pmc - hence the unvote. But that doesn't explain your obscure vote for no apparent reason followed by a pretty picture and some introspection on Halo meta. In short, you will need to explain yourself a bit more if you are to retain any credibility. I note this post by vodean which, to be fair, you also have not adequately responded to.

WIFOM? Crosses? You are making no sense at all. If you don't start posting more coherently you are just going to get yourself lynched.

[vodean]

No, it was this one from page 15. The quote you chose has no relevance to crazy or kaga! Look, while I fully accept your cleverness, your post was not helpful then and its not helpful now. You continue your WIFOM. You blame me for pointing that out? Well, that's the cross you bear. In the meantime the rest of us can carry on with the game.

Even though i have little to do With your fights, i think you are doing exactly as he claims. You're evading his questions by making him look bad. Not sure who's Side to pick on this but he has à point.

i agree. they both seem to be right about the other, and wrong about themselves. i would be willing to bet one of them is scum, in which case it would be worth it to get a claim out of both of them...

wait those of you who know the Halo flavor, what are the possible scum factions again?

[x-raider]

flood, covenant, elite, brute, prophets, unknown human faction...
still writing next post. got a bit of writers block...