The Tick Mafia - JUSTICE PREVAILS!

[traffic133]

no lynch i completly forgot and need to read up sorry guys n gals

i vote no lynch

[SoN!c]

We have deadline! Now lets have a last call in the last chance saloon as well? C'mon guys.. do or do not. Its all good to me but it seems we want a no lynch D1? Then we could ask for it to move forward and go into the night? The game needs to get going by deadline day..? We have to make up our mind by then?

Ps: the chinaman that went to church got ran over by an ox.. GOD does not like who does nothing (but pray). The chinaman that wanted booze and whores got robbed and killed when he was flashing his money..

Its like the parabel of the gold coins. Do! Go forward!!

[Loose Canon]

Charle don't know what to make of you.
Now you've found your feet want to see you making some deductions / comments tomorrow that might be helpful to town.
SoNic said you had an ex Cop feel to him.
I dunno yes I get the cop feeling but I also get a golf feeling.
Are you like The Caddy in Line of Duty?

[Ragian]

Do not edit posts! That's a major no no!

Anyone care to lynch Son!c? He's talking bullocks, he wants to reveal roles, he hides behind WIFOM. I don't think I need a fourth for day one..

[Ragian]

Ugh... And by lynch, I mean get a claim from. The Marillion concert was amazeballs, though.

[degaston]

Thanks Ragian. Traffic has been warned.

[DukeHazzard]

I don't agree with the game within a game idea. Feels like Loose has an ulterior motive. I also agree with the players that say it's not in town's best interest to soft claim.

[swang918]

Do not edit posts! That's a major no no!

Anyone care to lynch Son!c? He's talking bullocks, he wants to reveal roles, he hides behind WIFOM. I don't think I need a fourth for day one..

I still like my vote on Loose Cannon as the most promising. I'm not all that convinced by his explanation for his voting despite knowing he couldn't. Seems like everyone just gave him a pass on that. Also way back he posted he'll never claim no matter the pressure. Then Sonic prods him a bit and he flips to he'll claim if Sonic claims, now he's pressing everybody to make claims including me. I don't know enough theory to have an opinion on whether claiming early is good for town or not. It's just more the general inconsistency of Loose that reads the most scummy so far. But it's still a weak read and I definitely don't have enough conviction in it to try to overturn the No Lynch wagon that seems to be gaining steam.
Sonic is also really erratic and wild but he seems more just pure chaos and Loose seems more...I guess shady chaos. With all the back and forth between them they can't both be scum. And I think between the two Loose is a slightly more promising lynch.

[Loose Canon]

Swang - are you trying to act the village drunk or what?
When did I say I'd never soft claim no matter what the pressure?
Go on have another drink and get some courage - I'll soft claim if you soft claim.
Whats your answer?
Have another drink first.
Then maybe one for luck.

[PepeAtila]

It looks like people doesn't want any claim..
unvote

[Charle]

Charle don't know what to make of you.
Now you've found your feet want to see you making some deductions / comments tomorrow that might be helpful to town.
SoNic said you had an ex Cop feel to him.
I dunno yes I get the cop feeling but I also get a golf feeling.
Are you like The Caddy in Line of Duty?

Loose, I smell a rat here. No I am not a cop nor an ex cop, but the way you are fishing out roles which IMHO is not good for town at this stage. I still have a feeling that "No Vote count" is gonna come back and bite us in the "lower back side".

[swang918]

Swang - are you trying to act the village drunk or what?
When did I say I'd never soft claim no matter what the pressure?
Go on have another drink and get some courage - I'll soft claim if you soft claim.
Whats your answer?
Have another drink first.
Then maybe one for luck.

So let's review. First you say this:

Regarding my vote not counting yes I knew.
I'm not going to spell out my identity even if the votes try to force a claim on me on day 1.
My identity MIGHT become clearer IF I survive this day and night.

Then sonic puts a little pressure on you and a page or two later you say this:

Hi Sonic,

A gentle reminder that I've challenged you to make a claim as to your identity.

I don't know for sure if you are mafia or not - because I'm town.

If you are mafia you know I am not.
As things stand if you are not mafia you will look like mafia when I am voted out or murdered.
Whatever you are, currently town will be suspicious of you.
If you are mafia then currently mafia will be groaning at you and might actually decide they are better off with you gone.

Whatever you are your best play right now is to make a claim as to your identity.

You know what? - If you make a claim, I'll make a claim.

What if we both claim to be town characters and are both town?
Currently Mafia are laughing with 2 townies going at each other.
But town would still be better off than they are now in that scenario because then we stop fighting.

Thats why I'm challenging you to reveal yourself now as I'm confident it is the right thing for town.

(My bold above)

Basically I feel the inconsistency is shady. Of course you're allowed to change your mind but still--that's not what you're saying. This combined with all the other stuff like voting with no vote, followed by the weak explanation. Not to mention the whole submitting two posts and somehow failing to post thing. Altogether it's enough for me to keep my vote on you.

[swang918]

There's a possibility I've just seen regarding why I tried 2 posts yesterday that failed.
In making my last post I pressed submit then saw the message that there had been a new post since I started so I might want to revise my post in the light of what new had come up.
I pressed submit again just now.
I didn't do that last night just went onto my normal risk games then went back to check posts etc.

Sorry for the blind alley / my stupidity/tiredness guys

Yaeh you're full of shit. But by all means, keep talking, keep digging your grave.

So I wouldn't have put it so aggressively as Max but yeah, this is basically the vibe I get.

[SoN!c]

Then sonic puts a little pressure on you and a page or two later you say this:
(quote="Loose Canon")


Basically I feel the inconsistency is shady. Of course you're allowed to change your mind but still--that's not what you're saying. This combined with all the other stuff like voting with no vote, followed by the weak explanation. Not to mention the whole submitting two posts and somehow failing to post thing. Altogether it's enough for me to keep my vote on you.

Swang's post is the very shorty main conclusion i've been working on by poking it hard (some call it "chaos" but chaos theory always works - after all the goal is to get somebody who does not want to post too much... posting a lot (in order to check for any inconsistencies / contradictions).

And it worked.. A) we found out Loose can't vote for real
B) he ticked a lot of red flags on "loose ends" that don't ad up when he tried to explain it

So if this was a classic game of finding a liar its Loose lips 100%

But then extreme said something about a certain role he could be playing as town.. ragian thanked my hard work by putting a vote on me..

This is my first mafia game so :
A) Do i know Loose was hiding something? : yes 100%
B) Do i know Loose was lying at some point?: yes 100%

C) But what do i know realy on Loose? : not much besides those two things and that he can't vote + did not wanted anybody else to know it..(but still: i dont know enough about the game and the specific roles extreme was talking about)..
D) Town does not care enough to have 10 votes on Loose so we are not going anywhere before nightfall..

Ps: i would think a first timer in the mafia game would not get a mafia role
Ps2: i would think all 3 mafia roles would be well seasoned mafia players

Ps3: loose lips have loose ends

[strike wolf]

Roles are assigned randomly. If Mods just gave the scum roles to the most experienced then every game would just devolve into voting people out by experience level and no experienced player would actually want to play because they know they'd just get voted out.

[Extreme Ways]

Roles are assigned randomly. If Mods just gave the scum roles to the most experienced then every game would just devolve into voting people out by experience level and no experienced player would actually want to play because they know they'd just get voted out.

As for example seen in prison mafia as well as elementary mafia.

@Sonic, I like other people suggested that his role is most likely town. I threw out an example of a setup with vote-manipulating roles being town. I do not think Loose is that role, I think Loose likely has alternate vote power. If he is not town, he is third party rather than mafia. I agree on not liking his recent posts though.

[fusibaseball]

Agree w/ Charle and Swang and Sonic. Especially when Swang said something along the lines of Sonic being "pure chaos" while Loose is "shady chaos". I'm probably going to get lynched for this tonight or tomorrow but it seems like there's a group of experienced players already protecting each other which is super shady to me since it's only Day 1. Like of course strike and DDS and EW are going to know EXACTLY what to say to make you feel comfy with them being Town and now we're all just supposed to follow along and vote No Lynch because they decided that.

Also traffic just coming in without reading anything and magically coming to the conclusion to No Vote is kind of weird to me...seems like he saw one of the experienced players who he knows is in his coalition and followed suit (just my two cents).

Something super fishy went on there with Pix magically getting off scotch-free when he was at L-2 and Loose not being able to decide whether he wants to claim or not and then by 72 hours later we're all just no-voting.

......

Law and Duke have a lot of Town Cred in my book ATM. Bax is completely neutral to me. We wasted all of Day 3 in Prison Mafia getting him out when he defended himself ZILCH and he turned out to be a Cop. At the very least he already voted once which is more than Prison.

I think at least one of Pixar and Loose is definitely not Town. Still confused by that whole situation.

I guess we are voting No Lynch Day 1 though...

No vote

Let's not let the same thing happen Day 2

[SoN!c]

but it seems like there's a group of experienced players already protecting each other which is super shady to me since it's only Day 1 ..
+ to make you feel comfy with them being Town and now we're all just supposed to follow along

This was exactly the comment i wrote on my note book 2 days ago!

Not exactly the same names i've written down tho.. but 33 to 66% yes and exactly same m.o... Love it to read it! This is exactly what makes this a fun game to me. The little cells have to observe and work it

[SoN!c]

Ps: not knowing roles would be handed out random..not by "mod choice". thx for that info!

[SoN!c]

Something super fishy went on there with Pix magically getting off scotch-free when he was at L-2 and Loose not being able to decide whether he wants to claim or not and then by 72 hours later we're all..

Noticed that too! So happy you brought it back up (i was going "nobody seems to care" ... - as the only thing i got out of it was Ragian voting on me). . Or so it seemed.

I believe it was some sort of Electromagnetic Warfare or electronic warfare at least ,(warfare involving the use of the electromagnetic spectrum - "EM spectrum" - that blasted us all out the water there. Like the men in black using their "neuralyzer guns"

[Extreme Ways]

Something super fishy went on there with Pix magically getting off scotch-free when he was at L-2 and Loose not being able to decide whether he wants to claim or not and then by 72 hours later we're all..

Noticed that too! So happy you brought it back up (i was going "nobody seems to care" ... - as the only thing i got out of it was Ragian voting on me). . Or so it seemed.

I believe it was some sort of Electromagnetic Warfare or electronic warfare at least ,(warfare involving the use of the electromagnetic spectrum - "EM spectrum" - that blasted us all out the water there. Like the men in black using their "neuralyzer guns"

I'm too tired to check back but at least 1 "experienced player" mentioned that Pix not claiming at L-2 wasn't sitting well with him. I think it was strike.

re: experienced player town circle: most of those players have talked a lot and imo have added lots to the discussion. I voted DDS earlier before strike palmed me in. I still like strike based on other comments, but I explicitly mentioned that I didnt like how much I liked strike earlier and that it was kinda scary.

[strike wolf]

I actually kind of defended pix on not claiming at L2 on a joke wagon because the wagon should have never gotten that far on a joke. I'm overall still neutral to iffy on him overall at how he completely avoided doing anything in his defense and has been limited in talking about reads.

I am slightly wary about Loose as well. As I've said, it's really uncommon and usually too detrimental to mafia balance wise to have a mafia role that can't vote. Like the mafia in this game is likely 4-5 players, having a mafia member who can't vote even conditionally would take away 20% to 25% of their voting power. If we assume somewhere between 12-15 townies then one vote So for that reason It's really difficult for me to believe he is scum. That said, his insistence on asking for soft claims is odd to me and I do think he has some kind of ulterior motive there, likely one related to his inability to vote.

If experienced players seem against you, is it possibly more likely that you're arguing positions that they know don't usually work out rather than Dega made all the experienced players mafia?

[degaston]

Announcement:
traffic133 has asked to be replaced. I've asked gimpyThewonder, but he hasn't read my message yet. If anyone knows someone else who wants to play, have them PM me.

[Ragian]

re: Pixar
- I'm really on the fence here. I think the wagon on Pix was lame. Joke votes that all of the sudden turned into L-2. Especially, as mentioned, I disliked the vote from General Bax. However, I don't like it when people don't claim at L-2. It sets a bad precedent.

Hopefully, you're not confusing me with Strike

Where are we in the whole "Razor is going to make a post"?

[Loose Canon]

Swang - are you trying to act the village drunk or what?
When did I say I'd never soft claim no matter what the pressure?
Go on have another drink and get some courage - I'll soft claim if you soft claim.
Whats your answer?
Have another drink first.
Then maybe one for luck.

So let's review. First you say this:

Regarding my vote not counting yes I knew.
I'm not going to spell out my identity even if the votes try to force a claim on me on day 1.
My identity MIGHT become clearer IF I survive this day and night.

Then sonic puts a little pressure on you and a page or two later you say this:

Hi Sonic,

A gentle reminder that I've challenged you to make a claim as to your identity.

I don't know for sure if you are mafia or not - because I'm town.

If you are mafia you know I am not.
As things stand if you are not mafia you will look like mafia when I am voted out or murdered.
Whatever you are, currently town will be suspicious of you.
If you are mafia then currently mafia will be groaning at you and might actually decide they are better off with you gone.

Whatever you are your best play right now is to make a claim as to your identity.

You know what? - If you make a claim, I'll make a claim.

What if we both claim to be town characters and are both town?
Currently Mafia are laughing with 2 townies going at each other.
But town would still be better off than they are now in that scenario because then we stop fighting.

Thats why I'm challenging you to reveal yourself now as I'm confident it is the right thing for town.

(My bold above)

Basically I feel the inconsistency is shady. Of course you're allowed to change your mind but still--that's not what you're saying. This combined with all the other stuff like voting with no vote, followed by the weak explanation. Not to mention the whole submitting two posts and somehow failing to post thing. Altogether it's enough for me to keep my vote on you.

ok Swang credit where credit is due
I said I wouldn't spell out my identity, then i issued I'll show you mine if you show me yours challenges, then I asked you when I'd said I'd never soft claim no matter what the pressure.
What are you going to do - hang me for it?