[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[Ragian]

Whatever, Aladdin.
Insanity flips results, it doesn't swap user-target.

Haven't you bin payin atenshun? Teh swetter LSU TJ gave Storr reported on teh user (LSU TJ) insted of teh target (storr). It's easier fer me to beleeve orl LSU TJ's gifts are insane in teh same way than that dey were orl insane in diffrent ways.

Maybe I have not. Enlighten me with proof. But if you mention that I intentionally didn't get my invention in again, I'm going to vote for Drumpf and have him bomb your part of Asia.

Well played, scum. They nightkilled LSU and blocked me.

What did make, and who did you try to give it to?
How do you know you were blocked?

Technically, I don't know if I was blocked, but I wanted to see what Rish would say. According to the report I received, my action didn't go through. That's all they told me. I invented something that could be used and yield a result instantly in order to prove my sanity. (I think LSU's flip proves that anyway, but I reckon the paranoia parrots won't agree.) I won't tell you the specifics of my invention in case I would try the same. Nor will I give out the recipient before Rish tells us his action.

unvote

Fucking weekend creeping up on us.

IB's list of scummies:
Rish - Deg: One of them is scum.
DJP - / - Player: All highly scummy.

[degaston]

... I'm going to vote for Drumpf and have him bomb your part of Asia.

Watch out - he'll probably bomb Denmark just for the hell of it... and to prove how big his "hand" is.

Technically, I don't know if I was blocked, but I wanted to see what Rish would say. According to the report I received, my action didn't go through. That's all they told me. I invented something that could be used and yield a result instantly in order to prove my sanity. (I think LSU's flip proves that anyway, but I reckon the paranoia parrots won't agree.) I won't tell you the specifics of my invention in case I would try the same. Nor will I give out the recipient before Rish tells us his action.

Why would an inventor get a "report" about giving an invention? It's not any kind of an informative role that would need that information. People with other types of non-informative roles don't get reports that they've been blocked or redirected, do they?

Does anyone else find this unusual?

[Metsfanmax]

... I'm going to vote for Drumpf and have him bomb your part of Asia.

Watch out - he'll probably bomb Denmark just for the hell of it... and to prove how big his "hand" is.

Technically, I don't know if I was blocked, but I wanted to see what Rish would say. According to the report I received, my action didn't go through. That's all they told me. I invented something that could be used and yield a result instantly in order to prove my sanity. (I think LSU's flip proves that anyway, but I reckon the paranoia parrots won't agree.) I won't tell you the specifics of my invention in case I would try the same. Nor will I give out the recipient before Rish tells us his action.

Why would an inventor get a "report" about giving an invention? It's not any kind of an informative role that would need that information. People with other types of non-informative roles don't get reports that they've been blocked or redirected, do they?

Does anyone else find this unusual?

No. In the past, in other games, I've gotten BCC'ed on PMs for my inventions to the intended target. Also remember that in this game, LSU got BCC'ed on the PM to benga (which is what led to that stupid period where he thought he was the recipient of the invention).

[the white rose]

It is clear that either benga, deg or rish are scum, which one? i think its pretty much guesswork. So I am thinking, there is more than one scum to find, so suppose we postpone this guess to another day and look at players who are lurking, doing just enough to stay in the game.....i think the odds of finding scum there are going to be better than 1 in 3

players such as player,/,djp and catcher, betcha at least 2 of these are scum.

[Ragian]

Sneaky Deg. Trying to pin "unusual" to me by asking others.

@TWR, I agree that we ought definitely look at them. Vote patterns, statements, etc. But not during the weekend for me...

[degaston]

Sneaky Deg. Trying to pin "unusual" to me by asking others.

@TWR, I agree that we ought definitely look at them. Vote patterns, statements, etc. But not during the weekend for me...

I actually toned it down quite a bit before I posted. I changed it from "suspicious", and took out a few things that I could have said.

And while I can see that letting the inventor know what the recipient was told makes sense, giving them information about what happened to the invention after it left their possession seems to be adding an additional power to their role.

And if LSU had been getting these reports for the 8-ball and the sweater and the glasses, why was he so confused by his last invention?

[Metsfanmax]

And if LSU had been getting these reports for the 8-ball and the sweater and the glasses, why was he so confused by his last invention?

Probably he wasn't. We switched mods at some point, remember?

[Iron Butterfly]

Knowing there is mafia in the rish, deg, benga bunch I have no problem what so ever voting DJ.

vote dj

[rishaed]

Quick replies here. Last night I did jail Rage. I'm wondering how Rage knew that he was blocked/jailed last night. In that regard I agree with deg. Of course it could be the mod, but on any noninformative role you usually (not always) don't get a result back saying you were blocked.
I am actually in agreement with TWR for today. Its a decent plan. vote DJP for now.

[degaston]

Quick replies here. Last night I did jail Rage. I'm wondering how Rage knew that he was blocked/jailed last night. In that regard I agree with deg. Of course it could be the mod, but on any noninformative role you usually (not always) don't get a result back saying you were blocked.
I am actually in agreement with TWR for today. Its a decent plan. vote DJP for now.

Why did you choose Rage?

[AladdinSane]

It is clear that either benga, deg or rish are scum, which one? i think its pretty much guesswork. So I am thinking, there is more than one scum to find, so suppose we postpone this guess to another day and look at players who are lurking, doing just enough to stay in the game.....i think the odds of finding scum there are going to be better than 1 in 3

players such as player,/,djp and catcher, betcha at least 2 of these are scum.

I tink it is moor like 1 in 4, sinse I am not convinsed of Ragian's Towniness yet.

I'm simpathetic to teh idee of looking fer scum in dat secund groop, and I tink DJP wood be a good wun to start on. I was going to say dat I wood be wary of introdoosing dis now becorse it cood split teh vote agin, but I see IB and Rish have voted DJP so, yeh, let's give it a chanse. If I see another cupple votes on DJP, I'll jump on dat wagon fer shore, becorse he has been acting suspishus orl game - particly in pushing fer a kwik linch fer Wing.

Player wood be secund on dat list fer me becorse she was orso pushing fer a kwik Wing linch and we are too munths into teh game now and she is still playing teh "I'm sutch a noob, I don't know wots going on" card reely hard.

[AladdinSane]

Quick replies here. Last night I did jail Rage. I'm wondering how Rage knew that he was blocked/jailed last night. In that regard I agree with deg. Of course it could be the mod, but on any noninformative role you usually (not always) don't get a result back saying you were blocked.
I am actually in agreement with TWR for today. Its a decent plan. vote DJP for now.

Rish, I dont tink we ever got an anser frum you about why you jailed IB on N3 rather than me? I wood have been a moor obvius choise, sinse my power is a passive wun (global efect) and jailing me shoodent have stopped it frum werking. IB had awreddy sed he was efecktively a VT at dat point.

[Ragian]

And while I can see that letting the inventor know what the recipient was told makes sense, giving them information about what happened to the invention after it left their possession seems to be adding an additional power to their role.

Misrepresentation .I don't know what happened. I know it didn't work. I assumed roleblock.

@Rish, why on earth jail me?

[AladdinSane]

I tink wit regard to Ragian's inventing, we have to get away frum inventing investimagashun-type gifts dat rely on sumwun unproven to report there resolts - it just creates rather than redooses confushun. Orso, we need to "catch up" after teh no-linch on D5. Hear is wot I propose:

We ask Ragian N6 to invent sumtink dat gives a 1-shot day vig power - I don't know if teh Mods will allow it, but it dozent hert to ask - and give it to TWR, as proven Town, to take a shot at whoever he finds scummiest.

At teh same time, we ask Rish to jail Mets and ask Mets to do an investimagashun. Next mourning, if Rish says he jailed Mets and Mets says his investimagashun was blokked, we can conclude dat Rish and Mets are either both Town or both scum.

Orso, if Ragian says his inventing was blokked agin, we can conclude either dat both Rish and Mets are scum, or Ragian is lying, or Mafia has a roleblokker.

But if Ragian ackshually produces a weppon and TWR sucksessfully uses it to kill, we know Ragian's invenchuns werk, and will have hopefully killed scum. We cood even vote on who teh target shood be, with TWR having teh final say. Dis wood go a long way to conferming Ragian as Town too.

If teh weppon kills TWR, we know either Ragian's invenchuns dont werk as he intended, or he is scum. Either way, we linch him to find out witch.

If teh weppon fails to kill, we conclude either dat Ragian's invenchuns don't werk, or he is scum. Agin, we linch to find out witch.

FPed Ragian

[DJPatrick]

Hi, I've got a suggestion: get TWR to use Ragian's invenchun on me...if I die, then the invention works...works for me lol...this game is getting into the realms of lunacy anyway...apparently I've been scummy all game...hahaha.... you've come a long way since our initial foray into Mafia one game ago=pps are actually taking what you haves to say seriously!!!

FXXXed Aladdin

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Vote Count

Deg (1) - Mitch,
Benga (2) -Aladdin, Catchers
Rish (1) - Benga
DJ (2) - IB, Rish

No Lynch(1) - Players

8 to lynch. Deadline 11th March 14:00 CC time

[rizky_biznezz]

I'm suspicious of player I can't decide if she is just new or having a hard time as scum.. First she didn't want to say anything about anyone and then she pushed for wing saying he was going hard after her when he wasn't really.. since then she stops by drops a vote on someone saying very little.. Also not really liking that she voted for LSU because of the faulty inventions but then was super quick to vote me after one was used on me..

DJ is another that pushed for wing and storr but hasn't really said much to help.. He was kind of the same in the last game absent for long periods then dropped in with some obscure unhelpful comment so I'm not sure if he is scum or town..

Benga I was suspicious of early and questioned a few of his posts but then he claimed retired cop and sort of cleared himself but after all the strange things going on I'm curious

Rish and deg I don't know either way.. Some of the ppl on degs lynch have been listed as suspicious by several ppl so that worries me a little.. However everyone in here has been called scummy at some point lol..

I'm not sure which is the best way to go.. I think i would prefer some answers regarding the trio but im struggling with which one to sacrifice to find out.. Not sure what we will learn from dj or player if they happen to be town but we can't afford a repeat of no lynch so I will vote that way if I have to

[degaston]

And while I can see that letting the inventor know what the recipient was told makes sense, giving them information about what happened to the invention after it left their possession seems to be adding an additional power to their role.

Misrepresentation .I don't know what happened. I know it didn't work. I assumed roleblock.

Learning that your "action didn't go through" is not information about what happened to it? You may not have know why, but that's a pretty big piece of information that people don't usually get about their night actions. But anyway, that was not meant as an attack on you, so let's just drop it.

Now that Rish has said that he blocked you, that pretty much clears it up. So the question is, why? I can't think of any good reason other than to continue the confusion about benga, rish and me. It seems to be working because people are starting to look around for someone else. This has me wanting to vote for rish, but I'll wait to see if he decides to show up and explain his actions.

[the white rose]

what i find interesting here is why did scum kill lsu and not ragian?

given the 2 inventors ragian's inventions seem to be more effective and therefore more dangerous to mafia.

only reasonable explanation i can find is that maybe ragian is scum inventor?

do we have any evidence for that? the gun designed to kill deg....an unproven definer, bp for benga that could be totally fictitious,,,,for me this leans strongly towards benga and rish being a scum pair.

its only speculation, if anyone has any other explanation, please do tell.

[AladdinSane]

Wile where on teh topic of scum misteries, hear is another I dont tink we ever cleered up: Why was their no NK on N3? Evry nite before and sinse their has been an NK. It mite be coinsidense, but dat was teh nite Rish says he jailed IB, I beleeve. Ackording to Storr, his saves were eggsausted by dat point and we dont know of eny other saving powers.

[AladdinSane]

Tired, got dat a littul rong. It was of corse teh roll-blokking aspect of jailing dat was inportent their, not teh saving aspect of it. But teh point still stands - we dont know of eny other Town (assuming Rish is Town) roll-blokkers. So, if scum were blokked from a kill on N3, Rish's jailing of IB appeers to be teh most straitforword eggsplanashun.

[AladdinSane]

Arrgh! Ackshually, both roll-blokking and savinf were inportent. we dont know enywun but Rish who cood have blokked a NK, and we dont know enywun who cood have saved a potenshal victim.

I need to get sum sleep. In transit agin tomorow and prob tired on arival, so mite be 36 hours before i chek in agin. Still plenny of time before teh dedline, so I'll leeve my vote wear it is, on Benga.

[AladdinSane]

BTW, if teh point isent panefuly cleer: If Rish jailed IB on N3, den it cood have (A) Blokked IB frum doing a NK, OR (B) Saved IB if scum tried to NK him. Either way, Rish comes out looking moor Townish. Like I sed, we dont know of eny other Town blokking or saving rolls aktive on N3.

[degaston]

Wile where on teh topic of scum misteries, hear is another I dont tink we ever cleered up: Why was their no NK on N3? Evry nite before and sinse their has been an NK. It mite be coinsidense, but dat was teh nite Rish says he jailed IB, I beleeve. Ackording to Storr, his saves were eggsausted by dat point and we dont know of eny other saving powers.

It could be that scum targeted benga and he was bulletproof.
Or they targeted IB and he was jailed
Or IB was supposed to do the kill and he was jailed.
Or they chose not to kill to support that rage's inventions work.
Or someone has a power that they haven't revealed yet.

Take your pick. I don't think we have any evidence to rule out any of these options, so there's nothing to be done about it until we have more information.

[the white rose]

I wouldn't stress over that if i were you.

I believe that i was responsible for a no night kill on n3.

By refusing to tell mafia my role, it caused them to guess wrong and resulted in a no kill....had i revealed my role i am sure somebody would have died