Vampire Mafia- Abandoned :(

[cena-rules]

also maybe a role that cant be NK'ed or the doc protected a scummer?

[Mr. Squirrel]

Alright so this is what we see from the scene:
At least one mafia targeted someone but they were protected.
One vig tried to target someone (who sounds like a vampire but we aren't sure) but it failed somehow.

In terms of the number of mafias, I think there are probably two cults (vampires). I know I originally said that I didn't think there would be any cults, but the way this game has turned out so far has convinced me otherwise. Plus, I had a short conversation with PMC before the game began where he said he liked to make his games interesting by throwing in difficult roles.

I want to know this of stroke and Falko (who both claim to be vigs), who did you guys target last night? I think that is a good place to start and we can work from there.

[God Emperor Q]

I'm thinking the vampires might also have a leader, maybe one with certain powers, b/c a Dracula is mentioned.
But, hey, this is only my first time so feel to slap me upside the head if i'm totally off-base.

[God Emperor Q]

Alright so this is what we see from the scene:
At least one mafia targeted someone but they were protected.
One vig tried to target someone (who sounds like a vampire but we aren't sure) but it failed somehow.

In terms of the number of mafias, I think there are probably two cults (vampires). I know I originally said that I didn't think there would be any cults, but the way this game has turned out so far has convinced me otherwise. Plus, I had a short conversation with PMC before the game began where he said he liked to make his games interesting by throwing in difficult roles.

I want to know this of stroke and Falko (who both claim to be vigs), who did you guys target last night? I think that is a good place to start and we can work from there.

Also, im not very good with the lingo, but I'm assuming "vigs" are 3rd parties, right?

[Mr. Squirrel]

Alright so this is what we see from the scene:
At least one mafia targeted someone but they were protected.
One vig tried to target someone (who sounds like a vampire but we aren't sure) but it failed somehow.

In terms of the number of mafias, I think there are probably two cults (vampires). I know I originally said that I didn't think there would be any cults, but the way this game has turned out so far has convinced me otherwise. Plus, I had a short conversation with PMC before the game began where he said he liked to make his games interesting by throwing in difficult roles.

I want to know this of stroke and Falko (who both claim to be vigs), who did you guys target last night? I think that is a good place to start and we can work from there.

Also, im not very good with the lingo, but I'm assuming "vigs" are 3rd parties, right?

no, vig is short for vigilante. It is a pro-town role that has killing abilities.

[strokem1257]

Alright so this is what we see from the scene:
At least one mafia targeted someone but they were protected.
One vig tried to target someone (who sounds like a vampire but we aren't sure) but it failed somehow.

In terms of the number of mafias, I think there are probably two cults (vampires). I know I originally said that I didn't think there would be any cults, but the way this game has turned out so far has convinced me otherwise. Plus, I had a short conversation with PMC before the game began where he said he liked to make his games interesting by throwing in difficult roles.

I want to know this of stroke and Falko (who both claim to be vigs), who did you guys target last night? I think that is a good place to start and we can work from there.

Personally based on the actions of last night I believe Falko may be lying about his nk abilities. I was the second half of the scene. I tried to kill someone and it failed, though I do not know why. I am not going to release who I chose but the person has seemed scummy to me as of late, though my full reasoning behind it may not have been completely solid. I will have to gather up some more info before I make a formal claim if this is acceptable to everyone.

[strokem1257]

Also I want to apologize in advance to everyone if my posts become more hostile in the near future. because right now I am wondering if this day could get much worse... I lost my car key while working on my car cause I took it off the key chain, and at the baseball game I really didn't feel like going to and I was dragged along to I lost my wallet with upwards of $55, my debit card with several hundred dollars in my account, college student ID, drivers license which I believe had my SSN on it,& a few person photos. so I am a little pissed at a few things at the moment. please bare with me. :S

[strokem1257]

Also I want to apologize in advance to everyone if my posts become more hostile in the near future. because right now I am wondering if this day could get much worse... I lost my car key while working on my car cause I took it off the key chain, and at the baseball game I really didn't feel like going to and I was dragged along to I lost my wallet with upwards of $55, my debit card with several hundred dollars in my account, college student ID, drivers license which I believe had my SSN on it,& a few person photos. so I am a little pissed at a few things at the moment. please bare with me. :S

update... wallet had been found at the stadium... now I just have to drive another 2.5 hour round trip again to get it back... The key should be an easy replace. I just have to find where I stashed my spare. lol.

[captainwalrus]

I could have sworn someone said that they were a vig with 2 night kills but now I can't find it.
Didn't we have 2 vigs claim? Am I crazy

[Mr. Squirrel]

I could have sworn someone said that they were a vig with 2 night kills but now I can't find it.
Didn't we have 2 vigs claim? Am I crazy

You're not crazy. That is what falko claimed. He also claimed that he needed one extra vote to be killed. I don't like the claim personally (it seems too powerful), but I want to hear his night actions before I start pointing any fingers.

[God Emperor Q]

Alright so this is what we see from the scene:
At least one mafia targeted someone but they were protected.
One vig tried to target someone (who sounds like a vampire but we aren't sure) but it failed somehow.

In terms of the number of mafias, I think there are probably two cults (vampires). I know I originally said that I didn't think there would be any cults, but the way this game has turned out so far has convinced me otherwise. Plus, I had a short conversation with PMC before the game began where he said he liked to make his games interesting by throwing in difficult roles.

I want to know this of stroke and Falko (who both claim to be vigs), who did you guys target last night? I think that is a good place to start and we can work from there.

Also, im not very good with the lingo, but I'm assuming "vigs" are 3rd parties, right?

no, vig is short for vigilante. It is a pro-town role that has killing abilities.

Thanks you. I think that your summary hits the nail pretty much on the head from what I've seen. So are we supposed to vote now

[Falkomagno]

I tried to kill nexus (ultra mega lurker) last night...nothing happened...don't know why. I don't believe stroke claim

I hope that everybody has realized that I wasn't lynched even after I received the amount of votes to that...it's silly, or maybe "evil" that attempt of twisting acts to justify the indefensible ...I claimed that I needed one more vote to be lynched, and after reach the amounts of votes to lynch anybody, I was harmless, but some of you people still thought that was someone who wasn't counted....that's because you really wanted to confuse people, and lead the town to a D1 with no lynch....btw…trying to kill the major is a bad idea...trust me..


By now, I’m going with captain walrus, because was him who put that weak counter argument to explain why I wasn't lynched...but the people still hesitating to admit the fact that I'm telling the truth is even more potential dangerous... fos Mr. Squirrel


vote captain walrus

[naxus]

I tried to kill nexus (ultra mega lurker) last night...nothing happened...don't know why. I don't believe stroke claim

1.It's spelled naxus
2. it may seem Im lurking but this is only my first game and so I only post if I have something to say.If this game maybe was a little less confusing I might post more but im just trying to follow the conversation mostly.

Newb question but does a vig have the option to not kill someone at night?

Also if i remember right didnt falko claim he had 2 night kills?who was your other target?

[Stroop]

I hope that everybody has realized that I wasn't lynched even after I received the amount of votes to that...it's silly, or maybe "evil" that attempt of twisting acts to justify the indefensible ...I claimed that I needed one more vote to be lynched, and after reach the amounts of votes to lynch anybody, I was harmless, but some of you people still thought that was someone who wasn't counted....that's because you really wanted to confuse people, and lead the town to a D1 with no lynch....btw…trying to kill the major is a bad idea...trust me..

No, I still don't believe your claim because the vote count said you had 7 votes. Seven, not eight. If you are what you say you are, you will be able to survive a count of 8 votes, which we did not reach.

Newb question but does a vig have the option to not kill someone at night?

Generally, yes, but of course it's up to the mod.

Also if i remember right didnt falko claim he had 2 night kills?who was your other target?

Indeed. Spill the beans, falko.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Thanks you. I think that your summary hits the nail pretty much on the head from what I've seen. So are we supposed to vote now

You can vote whenever and on whoever you like at any time in the game (except at night of course) and for any reason you want.

Newb question but does a vig have the option to not kill someone at night?

He doesn't have to use his power every night if he doesn't want to. (normally)

Also if i remember right didnt falko claim he had 2 night kills?who was your other target?

I would like to know this too.

By now, I’m going with captain walrus, because was him who put that weak counter argument to explain why I wasn't lynched...but the people still hesitating to admit the fact that I'm telling the truth is even more potential dangerous... fos Mr. Squirrel

Just because you survived doesn't mean you are off the hook. You could be mafia (vampire) with a one extra vote ability. We don't know for sure.

Personally I think either stroke or falko is lying about their vigilante status. If indeed they both targetted someone last night someone should be killed in the morning. I can see one kill failing in the night or maybe even two, but for a mafia and two vigs to all get foiled is highly unlikely. Right now I'm more suspicious of falko. His overpowered role seems much more unlikely to me.
vote falko

[strokem1257]

I don't believe stroke claim

Well atleast my claim is a lot more believable than a double nightkill town vig that requires an extra vote to kill... that claim has had me suspicious since you first said it. along with the fact that you didn't use both kills last night to try to get out more than one "suspected vamp" I would make a wager that you are more likely part of the mafia rather than the town. on this not I believe I am going to Vote Falko. I say we lynch him just to make sure that if he is a double night kill and he turns out to be scum that it doesn't come back to bite us townies in the back. and if his claim he needs an extra vote is true lets get 9 voters. Who is with me?

[captainwalrus]

That he targeted naxus I beleive, for now, but who was your other target?

[naxus]

Another question came to mind.If someone role blocks another player's actions, is the action actually stopped or is it just that the first action never happened?

I also think I can prove that falko is lying but I need to read back a couple pages and double check things

[pmchugh]

Vote Count!
captain walrus- 1 (falko)
falko- 2 (mr squirrel, strokem)


Someone Check it.

[Falkomagno]

Looks to me like there are two scum groups...

Why is that??

I tried to kill nexus (ultra mega lurker) last night...nothing happened...don't know why. I don't believe stroke claim

1.It's spelled naxus
2. it may seem Im lurking but this is only my first game and so I only post if I have something to say.If this game maybe was a little less confusing I might post more but im just trying to follow the conversation mostly.

3 Newb question but does a vig have the option to not kill someone at night?

4. Also if i remember right didnt falko claim he had 2 night kills?who was your other target?

5. Another question came to mind.If someone role blocks another player's actions, is the action actually stopped or is it just that the first action never happened?

6. I also think I can prove that falko is lying but I need to read back a couple pages and double check things

1. Ok…nexus will be then
2. Yeah, maybe the newb card can be used this time to justify your lurking, but, the fast response when I told that I tried to kill you taste bitter
3. Yes. Vigs can choose not to kill if they don’t want
4. Well, I have to make the things clearer here. I can actually kill 2 people in this game, but that action just can be performed once. I chose to save that double shot for later
5. The action is stopped. For example, I tried to kill you, but someone block my nioght action, thus, you are alive and healthy, no matter I pull the trigger
6. That will be interesting. Please, delight us

No, I still don't believe your claim because the vote count said you had 7 votes. Seven, not eight. If you are what you say you are, you will be able to survive a count of 8 votes, which we did not reach.

I don’t know why do you say that, but, let me ask you something….you remember that I reach 8 votes twice???’…maybe this can refresh your memory:

ACTUALLY THE OFFICIAL AND PROPER Vote Count!

falko 7 - ((1)suspect, (2)skittles, (3)fircoal, (4)stroop, (5)cowboyz,(6) medefe. (7)squirrel, (8) cena)


With 15 alive it's 8 to lynch.

The above is correct to the best of my knowledge.

I put numbers in each vote to clary things. Btw….

You guys are tools, i wouldn't leave with a wrong vote count.

No lynch, Night 1 actions plz.

So, that’s what happened before:

1. I start with silly arguments to see reactions
2. 2. Everybody turns on me, with angry eyes
3. I had to claim. I claim to need one more vote to be lynched
4. I received 8 votes, when we need 8 votes to lynch
5. I wasn’t lynched. That's because I was telling the truth
But some people thought that was because the mod can’t count…jeez…maybe you are actually tools. I’m going to think that you are tool, by now.

@Evil squirrel.

The fact that we have 2 vigs, vampires(maybe 2 factions but I don’t know from where came that idea) and in general several character with guns, and after the night we don’t have even one kill show us that there is a legion of roleblokers or doctors or something like that….from 3 potential dead, by now there is no one. So, the supposed “strong” in my role is quite balanced. Stop thinking the mod is stupid. He is not. Pmc knows the game so well. And you know that

unvote vote mr squirrel

[captainwalrus]

I can account for one of the failed nk's but I will leave it at that.

[strokem1257]

I can account for one of the failed nk's but I will leave it at that.

who's did you block, or are you immune somehow and know when someone target's you?

[God Emperor Q]

Im interested in learning the reason you targeted nexus. It must've been b/c you thot he was a vampire. So why aren't you voting for him (if you truly are a townsperson)?

[Mr. Squirrel]

The fact that we have 2 vigs, vampires(maybe 2 factions but I don’t know from where came that idea) and in general several character with guns, and after the night we don’t have even one kill show us that there is a legion of roleblokers or doctors or something like that….from 3 potential dead, by now there is no one. So, the supposed “strong” in my role is quite balanced.
unvote vote mr squirrel

I'm looking at this completely differently than you. You say, "It is possible to have a lot of vigs as long as there are a lot of roleblockers/doctors." You use this as your justification for the lack of any sort of kill last night. However, even if there was a large force of doctors and roleblockers (which I highly doubt) it is highly unlikely that three (or possibly four, depending on how many mafias there are) kills could be avoided. Think about it. In a normal game with only one mafia and one vig, there is still almost always a kill every night. Even though there might be a roleblocker and a doctor in one of those games, the chances that they both choose the correct person to block/protect is very slim.

Let's do a little mathematical test shall we?
We have at least three claimed killers in this game: two vigs and a mafia.
Lets assume that the doctors and roleblockers even it out so that there are three of them.
Each protective role must choose the right player out of the 14 others in order to stop all of the kills from happening.
So, mathematically if you take [(1/14)^3]*100 we get the percentage chance that all three kills will be blocked. Which comes out to a .03% chance. To me, this says that there is almost no way on earth that three kills can be blocked by three protective roles.

Now, lets assume that one of the vigs is lying and that there are actually only two killers.
For the sake of the scenario, we will lower the protectors to two as well.
[(1/14)^2]*100 comes out to a .5% chance that they will both be blocked. It is still slim, but it is much higher than .03 and, assuming all of the protectors can think and deduce who the likely targets are, the percentage goes up considerably.
If someone could check all of my math to make sure its correct I would greatly appreciate it.

So here are the only possible scenarios (in my opinion):
1- A vig is lying and the doctors/roleblockers just got really lucky last night
2- The town is stacked with more than three protective roles and my percentage values were off because of it (unlikely but nonetheless possible)
3- All of the killer roles targeted the same person and the doctor just made a lucky pick. (more likely than #2 but not as likely as #1)

Now I would be more likely to consider option 3 if you hadn't been acting so strangely this entire game and if your role didn't seem so overpowered. Until you can give me good reason to believe that you indeed are pro-town, I am keeping my vote on you.

I can account for one of the failed nk's but I will leave it at that.

I wish I could know more, but I don't want you to claim either. Do you know who it was that you made fail or no?

Stop thinking the mod is stupid. He is not. Pmc knows the game so well. And you know that

I never thought Pmc was stupid. In fact, I thought all of his past games that I have been in have been really well structured and set up. Don't try to presume my thoughts next time.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Wow. Sorry for such a long post guys. I think I got a bit carried away...