Best (Randomness) Of 2012 Game Over!

[jonty125]

Vote Count
edocsil (2) - rishaed; thechuck51

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch, deadline is Thursday 14 March @ 1600 GMT.

[pancakemix]

One point on the list: Kanin was a Watchmaker, not a Watchkeeper. Went and looked into that role.

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You are Khelcius Xor, Town Watchsmith. You come from a somewhat dysfunctional family - father was a genius inventor who spent more of his time working on the security system of the Palais than staying home with the family. Eventually fed up with your father, your mother left him and took you with her, never to hear from him again. Despite not having much influence on you, you still have a knack for inventing things like your father, and have perfected it to a point, but you, unlike your father, prefer to have a life. Curious that you've come to the home of your father's invention...

Each night, you may create and give an item to a player, which will randomly be either a Watcher action or a Tracker action. That person will be able to then use the item the following night (and only the following night). You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

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I'm inclined to vote edoc, but I'll not jump the gun and vote him yet being that we are in potentially dangerous territory.

[spiesr]

One point on the list: Kanin was a Watchmaker, not a Watchkeeper. Went and looked into that role.

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You are Khelcius Xor, Town Watchsmith. You come from a somewhat dysfunctional family - father was a genius inventor who spent more of his time working on the security system of the Palais than staying home with the family. Eventually fed up with your father, your mother left him and took you with her, never to hear from him again. Despite not having much influence on you, you still have a knack for inventing things like your father, and have perfected it to a point, but you, unlike your father, prefer to have a life. Curious that you've come to the home of your father's invention...

Each night, you may create and give an item to a player, which will randomly be either a Watcher action or a Tracker action. That person will be able to then use the item the following night (and only the following night). You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

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I'm inclined to vote edoc, but I'll not jump the gun and vote him yet being that we are in potentially dangerous territory.

I have to wonder if that role might have been modified for this game for some reason. The only person to have claimed to have had any watcher or tracker action was Kanin Usagi himself.

Edos'sil, if you have anything you would like to say before you are at L-1 I suggest that you do so now. Tomorrow I will put you at that point unless something changes my mind.

[rishaed]

I will confirm Kanin is the original role. I got a tracker action N2, but was in a rush to put my action in that night that I completely forgot about it. I was going to call BS if Kanin claimed he had recieved a gift that night. But since Kanin got himself MK'd I figured it wasn't relevant anymore, and until I found out that he was my "Gifter" I was waiting to see if someone else claimed to gift ppl.

[Nebuchadnezer]

I will confirm Kanin is the original role. I got a tracker action N2, but was in a rush to put my action in that night that I completely forgot about it. I was going to call BS if Kanin claimed he had recieved a gift that night. But since Kanin got himself MK'd I figured it wasn't relevant anymore, and until I found out that he was my "Gifter" I was waiting to see if someone else claimed to gift ppl.

Well, I got the Tracker gift to use last night. (I actually received it N2 to use N3). And glory be, I tracked Edoc. What a waste. Nothing like scum play to attract all the attention of the power roles. Sure enough, he visited nobody last night.

Rishaed. Edoc was at one point on your "almost guaranteed" town list earlier. Has his recent play erased that feeling for you?

Edoc. L-2. Claim. I am fully expecting a VT claim...

Once we have that claim, then we can figure out what to do. That will leave only 3 of us unclaimed at that point.

Neb

[thechuck51]

Well, I got the Tracker gift to use last night. (I actually received it N2 to use N3). And glory be, I tracked Edoc. What a waste. Nothing like scum play to attract all the attention of the power roles. Sure enough, he visited nobody last night.

Rishaed. Edoc was at one point on your "almost guaranteed" town list earlier. Has his recent play erased that feeling for you?

Edoc. L-2. Claim. I am fully expecting a VT claim...

Once we have that claim, then we can figure out what to do. That will leave only 3 of us unclaimed at that point.

Neb

why would you point reveal this info now instead of waiting until after he claimed? you know so, assuming you are telling the truth, you could catch him in a lie if he fake claimed some sort of PR instead of throwing up a giant billboard that says "EDOC, CLAIM VT!!!!"

you are "fully expecting a VT claim". no kidding

you are claiming an action that cannot be verified and this reeks of one scum trying to protect another. FOS Neb

[rishaed]

Gut feeling, goes with Edoc is experienced enough of a player, that I expect that he wouldn't make such an obvious slip in a 24hr run off period. However I'm still leaning town on Edoc, maybe not as much though. It goes without saying that I feel that a claim is in order.
Minor note: Don't forget he was RB'd so the tracker action proves nothing.

[rishaed]

Minor FOS on Neb coming out with the tracker action for a defense/action is useless.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Well, I got the Tracker gift to use last night. (I actually received it N2 to use N3). And glory be, I tracked Edoc. What a waste. Nothing like scum play to attract all the attention of the power roles. Sure enough, he visited nobody last night.

Rishaed. Edoc was at one point on your "almost guaranteed" town list earlier. Has his recent play erased that feeling for you?

Edoc. L-2. Claim. I am fully expecting a VT claim...

Once we have that claim, then we can figure out what to do. That will leave only 3 of us unclaimed at that point.

Neb

why would you point reveal this info now instead of waiting until after he claimed? you know so, assuming you are telling the truth, you could catch him in a lie if he fake claimed some sort of PR instead of throwing up a giant billboard that says "EDOC, CLAIM VT!!!!"

you are "fully expecting a VT claim". no kidding

you are claiming an action that cannot be verified and this reeks of one scum trying to protect another. FOS Neb

What did you think I would catch Edoc claiming? That he was a cop and got a "guilty" result last night? Come on, Chuck, pay attention. Spiesr already claimed roleblocking Edoc. My information confirms that Edoc didn't go anywhere, and that Spiesr's claim and action are believable. I have no idea how you make a connection that I would be scum trying to protect him.

Minor FOS on Neb coming out with the tracker action for a defense/action is useless.

So, I shouldn't be forthcoming with information? My tracking confirms that Spiesr's claim of roleblocking is plausible. Not 100%, but nothing is out of place based on ALL the information we have. I wouldn't call it useless.

Holy cow, I thought sharing all the information we have was a good thing!

[thechuck51]

Fair enough Neb, when I read your post I wasn't doing it with the fact that Edoc was blocked in mind. However, rereading it now, it takes on a different context (if that is the right term). so unFOS

[rishaed]

Well, in my eyes Information is power, so no the information isn't completely useless. However I do think that there is a time when information should be given. The timing of your information seemed off to me, thus a minor FOS and not a vote. Speisr doesn't NEED complete confirmation IMO, he is CONFIRMED. The fact that he called Doomyoshi out makes that clear to me. On the other hand Edoc could be scum who got RB'd, I just highly doubt it b/c of my gut feeling that I got from him D1.

[pancakemix]

I'm not entirely sure how a roleblock would affect a track. Would they still go to their target or would they stay home?

[Nebuchadnezer]

I'm not entirely sure how a roleblock would affect a track. Would they still go to their target or would they stay home?

Are you really trying to confuse us with this post? Talk about useless...

[jonty125]

Mod Note:

Rishaed was a watchmaker. Apologies for mistake on my part.

[pancakemix]

I'm not entirely sure how a roleblock would affect a track. Would they still go to their target or would they stay home?

Are you really trying to confuse us with this post? Talk about useless...

No, I'm actually curious because I saw you visit chuck (actually me) last night. So I'm trying to figure out if you're making things up and letting edoc get pushed for no good reason.

You are still the scummiest person in my eyes, so don't think you can push me either. I will push back.

[spiesr]

No, I'm actually curious because I saw you visit chuck (actually me) last night. So I'm trying to figure out if you're making things up and letting edoc get pushed for no good reason.

So, you are claiming to have watched Chuck last night and saw Nebuchadnezer visit him? Did anybody else show up?

[edocsil]

I am Vilkas, Companion's 2-Shot Vigilante. I am just town, the whole crucial player thing didn't carry over from Skyrim. So far I have not submitted a kill.

[rishaed]

Mod Note:

Kanin was a watchmaker. Apologies for mistake on my part.

As for Edoc, I trust him enough for the claim to have at least a little bit of credence. unvote vote Neb. Lynch all Liars, If hes lying about the track hes scum, if hes not lying about the track, then PCM is scum either way one of them is clearly scum now.

[spiesr]

As for Edoc, I trust him enough for the claim to have at least a little bit of credence. unvote vote Neb. Lynch all Liars, If hes lying about the track hes scum, if hes not lying about the track, then PCM is scum either way one of them is clearly scum now.

Wait a minute, depending on what exactly pancakemix did that let him see Nebuchadnezer visit chuck it is possible neither of them are lying. Nebuchadnezer's claimed a track that came from Kanin Usagi giving it to him Night 2. Nebuchadnezer could also have an action from his own role last Night.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Mod Note:

Kanin was a watchmaker. Apologies for mistake on my part.

As for Edoc, I trust him enough for the claim to have at least a little bit of credence. unvote vote Neb. Lynch all Liars, If hes lying about the track hes scum, if hes not lying about the track, then PCM is scum either way one of them is clearly scum now.

I did not lie. Think about it. Kanin gave me the tracker ability...that's what his role did. Pancake didn't lie either.
I'm not sold on edoc.s claim. It's a convenient way for him to get night kills, without added suspicion. However, I can let him slide for now.

[rishaed]

Thats true, i didn't consider that possibility It still requires at least an explanation though.

[edocsil]

That's true, i didn't consider that possibility It still requires at least an explanation though.

I assume flavor will give away my kills, the same with the hider and all. Also curious on the whole neb/pmc thing. Seems kinda like going out on a limb chasing after neb because I can't see him having motive to lie about me. I guess a lot of it depends on how trackers/roleblockers/actions work.

[spiesr]

I am Vilkas, Companion's 2-Shot Vigilante. I am just town, the whole crucial player thing didn't carry over from Skyrim. So far I have not submitted a kill.

Hmm, I am having a little trouble that you are a vigilante (and not a one-shot one) but haven't killed anyone yet. My general feeling is that you are the sort of player who would not be that hesitant to use that power. Post like this one seem to support that theory:[spoiler]

Lol, full of shit waggon is full of shit. By the way, this post is going to be largely explicit, I am NOT impressed right now.


You guys are fucking retarded. Rish said that inactives shouldn't be inactive, and by extent said we can do better then hang the inactive due to his prior vote. HOLY SHIT, Kill the man!

Here is his "bandwagon"

vote Doom he must be the mafia whose going to bring Doooooooom on all of us.

6 motherfucking hours after the game started. What the f*ck.

After I and another vote doom, doom calls out Rish for "bandwagoning" and is met with this.

For my Townie Defense I have this. . .

However I will leave my joke vote on Doom atm...

As much as I like being targeted by someone who has been around longer than I have, This IS completely obvious as a joke vote, and the SECOND vote in the game, maybe a few minutes after it started. Now you are misconstruing facts and saying it was a scummy BW. I think the scummy one is yourself mister Yoshi. Thus, not is sound partially active, but I have caught you misconstruing facts so that I will seem scummy. This is a case where I will support completely. UNVOTE VOTE DOOM! just so you can read that mister scum

Solid vote, Doom's logic has been 100% bullshit so far and people are just following him around for some reason I can't really fathom.

Lets take a break from Doom for a sec.

I actually meant to vote rish in my last post. Vote Rish

That puts you at -2. Claiming is advisable.

FOS Hank for seemingly bandwagoning/skimming.

I mean come on man. Your one of the fucking nominees. You force a claim for THIS? I know you aren't reading this much, you got prodded with me too, you just jumped on the current fucking wagon. Shame on you. If I were a vig I would peg you tonight without question.

Back now to Doom. Your logic as I said has been awful. There isn't much of an excuse for your lynch vode case, you knew the holes were there, you we just setting up a witch hunt and you know it. Now for your more successful Rish case. As I have mentioned it was on some damn shaky ground to begin with with OMGUS and the lack of any real reasoning behind the case, and look you pegged a protector with your asinine wagon. Good job. Your buddies will thank you for it, less so if they backed you on that wagon and exposed themselves as well.

As for why being illogical and wrong is scummy.

Edoc: why are poor leaps of logic scummy, again?

I mean, shit, you actually asked this? Misdirecting the town? Wasting our 2 week window on total shit cases? Making a big fucking mess with both lynch the inactive with a side of META and a sucker vote at Rish? this isn't hard, you should know the answer to this and others should have pounced on this as well. (Looking at you again PCM)

For those who won't read my wall, Lynch Doom, he is scum.

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I mean, shit, you actually asked this? Misdirecting the town? Wasting our 2 week window on total shit cases? Making a big fucking mess with both lynch the inactive with a side of META and a sucker vote at Rish? this isn't hard, you should know the answer to this and others should have pounced on this as well. (Looking at you again PCM)

For those who won't read my wall, Lynch Doom, he is scum.

I didn't intentionally misdirect town. I was just being proactive in building cases. You will note the very first post of the day was a case by me. The vote on rish, I have already explained. The wagon that followed me is because he directly did look like he was squirming. Yes, the wagon sucks, if he is the bodyguard. Other than me, who do you think is most likely to be scum on it? I am trying to bring everyone into the game instead of it just being me and rish.

Anyways, for future reference rishaed, when you are protective (if you actually are), try and lay low. That means no all-caps walls of text

Let's think. I seem to recall saying I would vig PCM if I could
Proactive just screams scum if you are wrong, building straw arguments, or other weak cases. First has no meaning, being RIGHT has meaning. You are throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks. This is not townish in any remote way, it's just distracting.

I voted for him, because, he's throwing out accusations, and the Big All caps text, seems over the top. I don't know why he's calling Doom Yoshi a scum , he hasn't done anything suspicious. I don't know what to think about his claim, it may or may not be true. I don't know what to think yet, but I do know, that he was getting really excited over nothing.

A few things.

Explain how Larger text is scummy, it's for making a point in long walls. Most noobs don't read the walls so making something STAND OUT emphasizes important sections and ensures conclusions are read.
Also explain how he is throwing accusations. So far he has called one person scum this entire game. (less than me)
Please do not simply repeat things that Doom has said, you only make yourself look foolish.

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[rishaed]

Well there goes that one. . . Especially goes for the fact that you even said Doom was scum D1, so why didn't you vig him? PCM I might be able to shrug off as I changed my mind, but Doom? You blatantly called him scum, and combining that with the roleblock/No NK last night, my gut feeling was probably off. That and the fact that Speisr most likely stopped the N1 Kill. I mean if I was a vig, Doom would have been gone the first night. WIFOM argument i know, but the fact stands things aren't looking good for you.
and since i used Lynch all Liars logic on my vote on Neb, unvote Vote Edoc.

[edocsil]

Well there goes that one. . . Especially goes for the fact that you even said Doom was scum D1, so why didn't you vig him? PCM I might be able to shrug off as I changed my mind, but Doom? You blatantly called him scum, and combining that with the roleblock/No NK last night, my gut feeling was probably off. That and the fact that Speisr most likely stopped the N1 Kill. I mean if I was a vig, Doom would have been gone the first night. WIFOM argument i know, but the fact stands things aren't looking good for you.
and since i used Lynch all Liars logic on my vote on Neb, unvote Vote Edoc.

It is WIFOM, but its accurate Meta. However, you're disregarding 2-shot. Look at how I play when I'm JOAT, I never use the kill until later. I was thinking about loping off Doom's head and saving the second for later, but I opted not to. If I had killed him and he not be scum you realize how screwed I would have been, right? Anyhow, I have a kill, and I'm comfortable using it tonight to prove my abilities, although I would have thought you would rather I stayed my hand. Flavor will show that I am not one of the previous killers. As far as LaL, do you really think I would claim a kill without being able to back it up? I would have come up with a better fake then this if I was just trying to hide. VT for Christ's sake, or something less wifomable. Governor perhaps, one that couldn't stop a self lynch.