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but acting scummy when under pressure does not help avoiding the lynch of townies.Victor Sullivan wrote:Nonetheless, we must strive to lynch as few townies as humanly possible to conserve our power, as I think we have some rather formidable opponents.
-Sully
pmchugh wrote: If I wasn't lazy, I would sig that
So what, do you want townies to just rollover when pressure builds up on them?zimmah wrote:even tho jonties post is quite weird, i'd say tails is overreacting. would the loss of 1 town really hurt this much in a game this big? if he was town, would he really be so overly defensive and aggresive and emotional about people pressuring him?
i mean i'd be quite sad if i got killed/lynched early in this game because i like this game a lot and it'd be a pity if i can't play it till the end or at least till midgame or so, but even then, i wouldn't be all aggresive about it, i'll just join another game and keep track of what's going on her (and the occasional urge to want to be involved in the conversation but not being able to do so because you're dead).
Mr. Squirrel wrote:Current Battlefield Rundown:
Rodion (1) - Haggis_Mcmutton
jonty (2) - victor, doomyoshi
drunkmonkey (1) - sensfan,
Victor (5) - PCM, edocsil, spiesr, safariguy, drunkmonkey
spiesr (2) - jonty, trinicardinal
thegeneral (1) - iliad,
safariguy (1) - thegeneral
tailgunner (6) - /, chapcrap, ghostly, soundman, zimmah, thehippo
It takes 13 to kill.
Deadline Wednesday
Sorry guys, no deadline extension. This day is starting to drag on and I don't want this to turn into a 50 page day 1 like briarsburg.
Hey, I was wondering if you remembered this post:TheGeneral2112 wrote:Mr. Squirrel wrote:Current Battlefield Rundown:
Rodion (1) - Haggis_Mcmutton
jonty (2) - victor, doomyoshi
drunkmonkey (1) - sensfan,
Victor (5) - PCM, edocsil, spiesr, safariguy, drunkmonkey
spiesr (2) - jonty, trinicardinal
thegeneral (1) - iliad,
safariguy (1) - thegeneral
tailgunner (6) - /, chapcrap, ghostly, soundman, zimmah, thehippo
It takes 13 to kill.
Deadline Wednesday
Sorry guys, no deadline extension. This day is starting to drag on and I don't want this to turn into a 50 page day 1 like briarsburg.
Thanks for the VC!
Nice to see that iliad is still voting the town doc...
Also looks like everyone completely ignored my argument about saf making up his role race. Since only one person was able to say they have a race in their role pm, I think my argument holds a little bit of water here...
Or the one that I can't find right now where someone not only said they had a race role, they specifically said that it was an orc as well.chapcrap wrote:I just caught up from the past 2 days. Got my wisdom teeth out and I'm a little behind.
Anyway, seems like Doom is maybe taking it a little too far. However, I do agree that follow the cop will work in nothing other than a C9 game. This is definitely not that setup. I think that 2112 has realized that by now. And I'm pretty sure he wants to win. That was a silly argument to even make.
My PM does talk of a specific race.
I don't think I have much else to comment on. Seems like a lot of the same back and forth with a little Sully craziness thrown in.
I will say that I agree with / about Tail, so I guess I'll go ahead and Attack Tail.
Way to skim there bud. And honestly, I personally think Sully is pretty much bandwagonning his way through this game, but I think jonty/tails/hippo seems to be the main case right now.TheGeneral2112 wrote:Mr. Squirrel wrote:Current Battlefield Rundown:
Rodion (1) - Haggis_Mcmutton
jonty (2) - victor, doomyoshi
drunkmonkey (1) - sensfan,
Victor (5) - PCM, edocsil, spiesr, safariguy, drunkmonkey
spiesr (2) - jonty, trinicardinal
thegeneral (1) - iliad,
safariguy (1) - thegeneral
tailgunner (6) - /, chapcrap, ghostly, soundman, zimmah, thehippo
It takes 13 to kill.
Deadline Wednesday
Sorry guys, no deadline extension. This day is starting to drag on and I don't want this to turn into a 50 page day 1 like briarsburg.
Thanks for the VC!
Nice to see that iliad is still voting the town doc...
Also looks like everyone completely ignored my argument about saf making up his role race. Since only one person was able to say they have a race in their role pm, I think my argument holds a little bit of water here...
Ionno zimmah, apparently it depends on the townie. Because I made a similar argument when we had the doc claim that the most important thing was to protect the VIP, but now you're generalizing saying that any townie loss is acceptable. Please clarify position.zimmah wrote:even tho jonties post is quite weird, i'd say tails is overreacting. would the loss of 1 town really hurt this much in a game this big? if he was town, would he really be so overly defensive and aggresive and emotional about people pressuring him?
i mean i'd be quite sad if i got killed/lynched early in this game because i like this game a lot and it'd be a pity if i can't play it till the end or at least till midgame or so, but even then, i wouldn't be all aggresive about it, i'll just join another game and keep track of what's going on her (and the occasional urge to want to be involved in the conversation but not being able to do so because you're dead).
Iliad is notorious for sparse activity. I wouldn't read too much into that.TheGeneral2112 wrote:Mr. Squirrel wrote:Current Battlefield Rundown:
Rodion (1) - Haggis_Mcmutton
jonty (2) - victor, doomyoshi
drunkmonkey (1) - sensfan,
Victor (5) - PCM, edocsil, spiesr, safariguy, drunkmonkey
spiesr (2) - jonty, trinicardinal
thegeneral (1) - iliad,
safariguy (1) - thegeneral
tailgunner (6) - /, chapcrap, ghostly, soundman, zimmah, thehippo
It takes 13 to kill.
Deadline Wednesday
Sorry guys, no deadline extension. This day is starting to drag on and I don't want this to turn into a 50 page day 1 like briarsburg.
Thanks for the VC!
Nice to see that iliad is still voting the town doc...
Also looks like everyone completely ignored my argument about saf making up his role race. Since only one person was able to say they have a race in their role pm, I think my argument holds a little bit of water here...
aage wrote:Never trust CYOC or pancake.
I have to agree with you there Saf, the purpose of the game is for town to outlive scum. If there is one VT left then it's still a town win! I accept that investigatory and protective roles are powerful, but you can't beat the end goal. But I am at a loss to see why you included me in the list of meaningful leads!? Looking at the current tally, there is almost a tie between Sully and Tails. Yet you don't include Sully in your list of people i=on your list?! You include jonty, but I can't see your justification there wither. By implication you even appear to be wanting to steer away from tails so that leaves you leaving Sully off your list as being an even more glaring omission. Maybe I'm missing something so, giving you the benefit of the doubt, I'll let you explain before considering how I feel about this.safariguy5 wrote:Way to skim there bud. And honestly, I personally think Sully is pretty much bandwagonning his way through this game, but I think jonty/tails/hippo seems to be the main case right now.TheGeneral2112 wrote:Mr. Squirrel wrote:Current Battlefield Rundown:
Rodion (1) - Haggis_Mcmutton
jonty (2) - victor, doomyoshi
drunkmonkey (1) - sensfan,
Victor (5) - PCM, edocsil, spiesr, safariguy, drunkmonkey
spiesr (2) - jonty, trinicardinal
thegeneral (1) - iliad,
safariguy (1) - thegeneral
tailgunner (6) - /, chapcrap, ghostly, soundman, zimmah, thehippo
It takes 13 to kill.
Deadline Wednesday
Sorry guys, no deadline extension. This day is starting to drag on and I don't want this to turn into a 50 page day 1 like briarsburg.
Thanks for the VC!
Nice to see that iliad is still voting the town doc...
Also looks like everyone completely ignored my argument about saf making up his role race. Since only one person was able to say they have a race in their role pm, I think my argument holds a little bit of water here...
Ionno zimmah, apparently it depends on the townie. Because I made a similar argument when we had the doc claim that the most important thing was to protect the VIP, but now you're generalizing saying that any townie loss is acceptable. Please clarify position.zimmah wrote:even tho jonties post is quite weird, i'd say tails is overreacting. would the loss of 1 town really hurt this much in a game this big? if he was town, would he really be so overly defensive and aggresive and emotional about people pressuring him?
i mean i'd be quite sad if i got killed/lynched early in this game because i like this game a lot and it'd be a pity if i can't play it till the end or at least till midgame or so, but even then, i wouldn't be all aggresive about it, i'll just join another game and keep track of what's going on her (and the occasional urge to want to be involved in the conversation but not being able to do so because you're dead).
Honestly, I personally feel that as long as the VIP is alive, town has a fighting chance. And with 21 townies and this being a NV game, I figure we have multiple protective and investigative roles.
hmm, strange indeed, his vote is on sully, and he picks 3 main cases, of which 1 has no votes at all against him at this point of time (you), another one is actually a main case with most votes, and about jonty i'm not sure, i wouldn't call it a main case, but it's maybe a case worth looking into.thehippo8 wrote:I have to agree with you there Saf, the purpose of the game is for town to outlive scum. If there is one VT left then it's still a town win! I accept that investigatory and protective roles are powerful, but you can't beat the end goal. But I am at a loss to see why you included me in the list of meaningful leads!? Looking at the current tally, there is almost a tie between Sully and Tails. Yet you don't include Sully in your list of people i=on your list?! You include jonty, but I can't see your justification there wither. By implication you even appear to be wanting to steer away from tails so that leaves you leaving Sully off your list as being an even more glaring omission. Maybe I'm missing something so, giving you the benefit of the doubt, I'll let you explain before considering how I feel about this.safariguy5 wrote:Way to skim there bud. And honestly, I personally think Sully is pretty much bandwagonning his way through this game, but I think jonty/tails/hippo seems to be the main case right now.TheGeneral2112 wrote:Mr. Squirrel wrote:Current Battlefield Rundown:
Rodion (1) - Haggis_Mcmutton
jonty (2) - victor, doomyoshi
drunkmonkey (1) - sensfan,
Victor (5) - PCM, edocsil, spiesr, safariguy, drunkmonkey
spiesr (2) - jonty, trinicardinal
thegeneral (1) - iliad,
safariguy (1) - thegeneral
tailgunner (6) - /, chapcrap, ghostly, soundman, zimmah, thehippo
It takes 13 to kill.
Deadline Wednesday
Sorry guys, no deadline extension. This day is starting to drag on and I don't want this to turn into a 50 page day 1 like briarsburg.
Thanks for the VC!
Nice to see that iliad is still voting the town doc...
Also looks like everyone completely ignored my argument about saf making up his role race. Since only one person was able to say they have a race in their role pm, I think my argument holds a little bit of water here...
Ionno zimmah, apparently it depends on the townie. Because I made a similar argument when we had the doc claim that the most important thing was to protect the VIP, but now you're generalizing saying that any townie loss is acceptable. Please clarify position.zimmah wrote:even tho jonties post is quite weird, i'd say tails is overreacting. would the loss of 1 town really hurt this much in a game this big? if he was town, would he really be so overly defensive and aggresive and emotional about people pressuring him?
i mean i'd be quite sad if i got killed/lynched early in this game because i like this game a lot and it'd be a pity if i can't play it till the end or at least till midgame or so, but even then, i wouldn't be all aggresive about it, i'll just join another game and keep track of what's going on her (and the occasional urge to want to be involved in the conversation but not being able to do so because you're dead).
Honestly, I personally feel that as long as the VIP is alive, town has a fighting chance. And with 21 townies and this being a NV game, I figure we have multiple protective and investigative roles.
I admit Tails your case is hard to defend against but I felt you could have provided a bit better than "THAT CAN'T BE PROVEN OR DISPROVED"myself wrote:I'm going to FOS Tails until I see a vote count 'cos he has made no effort to defend himself.
Doom why did you wait for VS to attack me and then you followed. You made two posts after my FOS of tails and didn't bring me up once and then VS attacks and me and you follow suit, care to elaborate.DoomYoshi wrote:Yea, I'm not sure if jonty was trolling, skimming or actually thought that. Either way, it is the best case we have right now.
attack jonty
Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.
zimmah wrote:Mind like a brick.
This close to the deadline, it is pointless to vote unless there is some community support behind it. I waited to see if others would join, and some more thought on my own part ended in your vote.jonty125 wrote:I admit Tails your case is hard to defend against but I felt you could have provided a bit better than "THAT CAN'T BE PROVEN OR DISPROVED"myself wrote:I'm going to FOS Tails until I see a vote count 'cos he has made no effort to defend himself.
Doom why did you wait for VS to attack me and then you followed. You made two posts after my FOS of tails and didn't bring me up once and then VS attacks and me and you follow suit, care to elaborate.DoomYoshi wrote:Yea, I'm not sure if jonty was trolling, skimming or actually thought that. Either way, it is the best case we have right now.
attack jonty
EBWOPDoomYoshi wrote:This close to the deadline, it is pointless to vote unless there is some community support behind it. I waited to see if others would join, and some more thought on my own part ended in your vote.jonty125 wrote:I admit Tails your case is hard to defend against but I felt you could have provided a bit better than "THAT CAN'T BE PROVEN OR DISPROVED"myself wrote:I'm going to FOS Tails until I see a vote count 'cos he has made no effort to defend himself.
Doom why did you wait for VS to attack me and then you followed. You made two posts after my FOS of tails and didn't bring me up once and then VS attacks and me and you follow suit, care to elaborate.DoomYoshi wrote:Yea, I'm not sure if jonty was trolling, skimming or actually thought that. Either way, it is the best case we have right now.
attack jonty
If saying something can't be disproved isn't enough, what is enough? Can you provide exactly what sort of defense would clear tails in your mind? Unless you can, my vote sticks.
Mr. Squirrel wrote:Current Battlefield Rundown:
Rodion (1) - Haggis_Mcmutton
jonty (2) - victor, doomyoshi
drunkmonkey (1) - sensfan,
Victor (5) - PCM, edocsil, spiesr, safariguy, drunkmonkey
spiesr (2) - jonty, trinicardinal
thegeneral (1) - iliad,
safariguy (1) - thegeneral
tailgunner (6) - /, chapcrap, ghostly, soundman, zimmah, thehippo
It takes 13 to kill.
Deadline Wednesday
Sorry guys, no deadline extension. This day is starting to drag on and I don't want this to turn into a 50 page day 1 like briarsburg.
ghostly447 wrote:I think his argument could have gone with a little less language, but I will say unvote because I do not see anything more Tails main accusers can go on. I could not find a flaw in his argument (though it is day 1, so of course he and thegeneral have a place in my lists as a major case) for today, so I do not see any reason to continue pressuring.
Im not sure when the dead line is due up (I was about to check) but I think it is drawing too close for comfort. Is there any way we could be given another 3-5 days to conclude day 1 so we can maybe add another major case onto the list and try to find a solid vote we want to cast?
Most of the discussion has revolved around jonty/tails/hippo. A few people have brought you up as a lead, but we haven't really gotten much good discussion on it.Victor Sullivan wrote:safari, I find your approach in this game exceedingly uncharacteristic of you. I've been bandwagoned on enough Day 1s to know this is not typical. Frankly, I find your aggressiveness reminiscent of TheGeneral from soundman's mafia. In most Day 1 wagons against me, everyone generally comes to a consensus that I'm a scumzor. This case against me doesn't have as much heart in it, and it seems you're really trying to push people my way, which I find peculiar in its uncharacteristic-ness for both you and the case as a whole. It's not damning, necessarily, but it certainly seems out of place.
In addition, safari, I don't quite understand why you say my case is out of the limelight while I have the second most votes, then say that jonty and hippo are main cases (with 2 and no votes) equally with Tails (the most votes: 6, 7 now). Again, peculiar, but not damning. And I frankly don't find Tails or hippo particularly scummy. I'd probably pick jonty and zimmah as my two, given jonty's weak, unfounded arguments against Tails and zimmah's strange behaviors with seemingly defending certain parties (TheGeneral comes to mind, though I know there was another; perhaps Tails) with no clear reasons for his doing so. And while I enjoy zimmah's increased activity in comparison to some of the games he was previously in, it airs on the side of scumminess in my book, though admittedly this is more gut feeling as the reasoning is largely WIFOM.
-Sully
I don't understand why anyone would take a joke vote at face value. That logic doesn't make sense to me, especially considering I'm really not that stupid when it comes to mafia.safariguy5 wrote:Most of the discussion has revolved around jonty/tails/hippo. A few people have brought you up as a lead, but we haven't really gotten much good discussion on it.Victor Sullivan wrote:safari, I find your approach in this game exceedingly uncharacteristic of you. I've been bandwagoned on enough Day 1s to know this is not typical. Frankly, I find your aggressiveness reminiscent of TheGeneral from soundman's mafia. In most Day 1 wagons against me, everyone generally comes to a consensus that I'm a scumzor. This case against me doesn't have as much heart in it, and it seems you're really trying to push people my way, which I find peculiar in its uncharacteristic-ness for both you and the case as a whole. It's not damning, necessarily, but it certainly seems out of place.
In addition, safari, I don't quite understand why you say my case is out of the limelight while I have the second most votes, then say that jonty and hippo are main cases (with 2 and no votes) equally with Tails (the most votes: 6, 7 now). Again, peculiar, but not damning. And I frankly don't find Tails or hippo particularly scummy. I'd probably pick jonty and zimmah as my two, given jonty's weak, unfounded arguments against Tails and zimmah's strange behaviors with seemingly defending certain parties (TheGeneral comes to mind, though I know there was another; perhaps Tails) with no clear reasons for his doing so. And while I enjoy zimmah's increased activity in comparison to some of the games he was previously in, it airs on the side of scumminess in my book, though admittedly this is more gut feeling as the reasoning is largely WIFOM.
-Sully
I have no idea how you find me playing uncharacteristically...being active and scumhunting? I've been playing pretty chracteristically for myself, but you started out the day with a jokevote no lynch which I've not seen you do, and I based suspicions starting there. So I think I'm playing pretty characteristically and you are not.
It may have something to do with who most of the votes of you (like mine or edocsil's) have been there for a long time, at that the case hasn't moved forward for quite a while.Victor Sullivan wrote:In addition, safari, I don't quite understand why you say my case is out of the limelight while I have the second most votes, then say that jonty and hippo are main cases (with 2 and no votes) equally with Tails (the most votes: 6, 7 now).
Jokevote is jokevote, but you never voted for a person, you voted for a no lynch. Which is unusual, even if you were joking. Definitely not what you usually do.Victor Sullivan wrote:I don't understand why anyone would take a joke vote at face value. That logic doesn't make sense to me, especially considering I'm really not that stupid when it comes to mafia.safariguy5 wrote:Most of the discussion has revolved around jonty/tails/hippo. A few people have brought you up as a lead, but we haven't really gotten much good discussion on it.Victor Sullivan wrote:safari, I find your approach in this game exceedingly uncharacteristic of you. I've been bandwagoned on enough Day 1s to know this is not typical. Frankly, I find your aggressiveness reminiscent of TheGeneral from soundman's mafia. In most Day 1 wagons against me, everyone generally comes to a consensus that I'm a scumzor. This case against me doesn't have as much heart in it, and it seems you're really trying to push people my way, which I find peculiar in its uncharacteristic-ness for both you and the case as a whole. It's not damning, necessarily, but it certainly seems out of place.
In addition, safari, I don't quite understand why you say my case is out of the limelight while I have the second most votes, then say that jonty and hippo are main cases (with 2 and no votes) equally with Tails (the most votes: 6, 7 now). Again, peculiar, but not damning. And I frankly don't find Tails or hippo particularly scummy. I'd probably pick jonty and zimmah as my two, given jonty's weak, unfounded arguments against Tails and zimmah's strange behaviors with seemingly defending certain parties (TheGeneral comes to mind, though I know there was another; perhaps Tails) with no clear reasons for his doing so. And while I enjoy zimmah's increased activity in comparison to some of the games he was previously in, it airs on the side of scumminess in my book, though admittedly this is more gut feeling as the reasoning is largely WIFOM.
-Sully
I have no idea how you find me playing uncharacteristically...being active and scumhunting? I've been playing pretty chracteristically for myself, but you started out the day with a jokevote no lynch which I've not seen you do, and I based suspicions starting there. So I think I'm playing pretty characteristically and you are not.
-Sully
I was making a Homestar Runner reference (which I guess no one got). I really don't see how you can take that as a serious intention.safariguy5 wrote:Jokevote is jokevote, but you never voted for a person, you voted for a no lynch. Which is unusual, even if you were joking. Definitely not what you usually do.Victor Sullivan wrote:I don't understand why anyone would take a joke vote at face value. That logic doesn't make sense to me, especially considering I'm really not that stupid when it comes to mafia.safariguy5 wrote:Most of the discussion has revolved around jonty/tails/hippo. A few people have brought you up as a lead, but we haven't really gotten much good discussion on it.Victor Sullivan wrote:safari, I find your approach in this game exceedingly uncharacteristic of you. I've been bandwagoned on enough Day 1s to know this is not typical. Frankly, I find your aggressiveness reminiscent of TheGeneral from soundman's mafia. In most Day 1 wagons against me, everyone generally comes to a consensus that I'm a scumzor. This case against me doesn't have as much heart in it, and it seems you're really trying to push people my way, which I find peculiar in its uncharacteristic-ness for both you and the case as a whole. It's not damning, necessarily, but it certainly seems out of place.
In addition, safari, I don't quite understand why you say my case is out of the limelight while I have the second most votes, then say that jonty and hippo are main cases (with 2 and no votes) equally with Tails (the most votes: 6, 7 now). Again, peculiar, but not damning. And I frankly don't find Tails or hippo particularly scummy. I'd probably pick jonty and zimmah as my two, given jonty's weak, unfounded arguments against Tails and zimmah's strange behaviors with seemingly defending certain parties (TheGeneral comes to mind, though I know there was another; perhaps Tails) with no clear reasons for his doing so. And while I enjoy zimmah's increased activity in comparison to some of the games he was previously in, it airs on the side of scumminess in my book, though admittedly this is more gut feeling as the reasoning is largely WIFOM.
-Sully
I have no idea how you find me playing uncharacteristically...being active and scumhunting? I've been playing pretty chracteristically for myself, but you started out the day with a jokevote no lynch which I've not seen you do, and I based suspicions starting there. So I think I'm playing pretty characteristically and you are not.
-Sully
