Jpcloet, Ratings Abuse [Cleared] ks

[GallantPellham]

Accused:

jpcloet




The accused are suspected of:


Other: (Severe?) Ratings Abuse



Game number(s):

N/A



Comments: He leaves 5s or 1s and almost nothing in between which deserves to be noted and is technical abuse as stated here:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 9&t=106692

And here:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 2&start=15

Should be noted at the very least. Assuming the mods aren't above the rules

colton if your gonna post stupid shit, please take julio jones off of your avie, he really wouldn't like being associated with such idiotic rants.

[Snowgun]

I'm like fucking Nostradamus with this shit. I TOLD you guys the hot new thing was ratings abuse...if only I could buy stock in this.

Everybody is taking sides according to who they like because there is no definitive answer on this issue, and all the assclowns come out to play.

Now the poor mods will have to solidify what is abuse in a aspect of this site nobody really gives a shit about.

I can sew this up for you guys, make this black and white so we can put this shit to rest:

Considered ratings abuse:
1. All 1's ratings that make up more than 10% of total ratings.
2. more than 3 Deadbeat tags of games where the person didn't miss 3 consecutive turns.

There we go! that's it! it should take care of the ACTUAL abuse that is REALLY happening. (maybe the numbers can be tweeked a little but they are pretty close).

regarding any other ratings issues the persons involved need to suck on some cupcakes.

[king sam]

I can sew this up for you guys, make this black and white so we can put this shit to rest:

Considered ratings abuse:
1. All 1's ratings that make up more than 10% of total ratings.
2. more than 3 Deadbeat tags of games where the person didn't miss 3 consecutive turns.

great addition to the suggs & bugs forum

[ronsizzle]

yeah, i like it too...

[AAFitz]

Abuse constitutes something that is out of the ordinary... since the vast majority of cC players actually rate this way, it is not abuse, its simply common practice. If anything, the ratings have too many options...It should be based on 1 poor, 2 average, and 3 above average.

the options in the middle are just fodder for any real system. The ratings mirror the old feedback system to some degree, because it really is a neg or positive reply. If you get too many negs, its obvious to those who play you, if you get no negs it is also very obvious.

But to say someone is not entitled to feel that a particular behavior warrants a one star, is to essentially automate the ratings...and since the ratings really are an average, than only those that are way out of the norm constitute abuse. No doubt leaving all ones and all fives is not perfect rating...but we are not required to rate perfectly...only what we deem fairly...and since they are averaged, and since they are based on personal opinions...then one should be able to rate with 5s and ones.

Anyone that doesnt cause a problem or plays reasonably well really is excellent, and suiciders and trash talkers really do deserve ones.... the middle is really irrelevant, not to say no one falls into that category....realistically...most of us do.

This cannot possibly be ratings abuse...at best a suggestion to find some middle ground at best...and no doubt he will...

the problem is....many consider a 4 star bad...youre left with no choice but to give 5 stars to someone you like playing with...because anything less is an insult...and if someone plays really bad, then the only way they will know it is if you leave ones....and...again...its one personal opinion...and we are entitled to those.....

I agree that leaving all ones for everyone when there is no reason is abuse, because its obvious it is meant to be abusive and is just left to cause trouble...but for the most part...ones are an important part of the ratings...and over time...those ratings are extremely effective at warning players of what they are getting into. I myself litterally guage my strategy in the game based on ratings, because they so often are predictors of game chat and play.

Lets not be silly and burn our less than perfect, but more than adequate ratings system with these silly complaints.. ...sure, some actually are abusing them...but lets not assume that we have the right to tell others what they consider a good player, and what they consider a bad player...its ridiculous...and simply defeats the purpose...

My rating for these complaints is one star.

Now, try and tell me im not entitled to that opinion, and that it should be two and a half stars instead. Its just dumb.

[Snowgun]

Long winded as usual but right on the mark fitz!

I just wanted to add that the system actually works fine using 1's and 5's. The average rating that a player inevitably gets via this method is still a good indication of behavior/gameplay.

Technically, even if someone rates only 1's, but ONLY does it when they encountered a bad experience, is still beneficial to the system. Yes, they should use the foe button too, and KS has said that this is using the rating system instead of the foe, BUT, how do other people know who you foed? The rating system should be used to mark these instances of crappy play as a warning for other people, and this use of it is doing that.

The only real abuse I can see that hurts the system is when people give 1's for loosing, for no reason. These people can be found if a large percentage of their tags are 1's, since most people have around a 30-60 win percentage. Yes, the people in the example above will be included in this group, but thats where some digging would be needed.

[72o]

I think everyone should give all 5s from now on no matter what.

[Gold Knight]

Along with what Fitz said (which i agree was right on), if someone really earned a 3 star rating, i believe that the majority of players on the site wouldnt bother to rate an average player. I know I usually only rate someone if i really did enjoy the playing experience with them and they played very well, or they played very bad and ruined the experience of playing. Thats why im more of a supporter of the positive/negative feedback system, because i really dont find a need for neutral ratings (albeit they were included in the old system as well)...

[king sam]

aright guys while I enjoy the fruitfulness of this conversation please take it to GD or in a suggs thread about a fix, this is an active case and needs to remain on topic. Thanks, good stuff though

KS

[jpcloet]

Here it is:

Defense of My Colton24 Rating

I started off the day playing in my first BR Game 6207937. Colton24 was in that game. I then created another one later, and colton24 also joined that game right after I did in Game 6211219. Later that night, when the public was asking more more doodle games, I created Game 6211390 which Colton24 also joined in on. Colton24 was not on my foe list at that point, and was removed today temporarily so that I may read his posts and provide game chat.

Colton's game went like this....

2010-01-02 23:10:26 - colton24 received 3 troops for 1 regions
2010-01-02 23:10:26 - carlpgoodrich assaulted Ha Tinh from Bolikhamxai and conquered it from colton24
2010-01-02 23:10:26 - carlpgoodrich eliminated colton24 from the game
2010-01-02 23:10:26 - colton24 lost 17 points

to which the game chat was

2010-01-02 23:10:38 - colton24: f*ck you carl
2010-01-02 23:10:45 - jpcloet: ha ha'
2010-01-02 23:10:59 - Prankcall: lol
2010-01-02 23:11:02 - colton24: stfu jp

It is this game that caused me to rate Colton24. I gave him 3 (average) for fairplay, 1 for Gameplay and 1 for attitude. The 1 for gameplay might be a little harsh, but it is fair IMO given that he didn't even deploy. Colton in return gave me a 3-1-1. Now, Prankcall also laughed at Colton's bad fortune. Upon review, it appears that only I was given a rating. Why only me? I submit that the rating was left to be vindictive. He never told Prank to stfu either. Suspicious indeed.

Those are the only 3 games I have ever played with Colton24.

Defense of My 5-Star Ratings

The one thing that people are not doing is looking at the context around why someone rates. It is all a superficial argument, hey it's all ones, he must be abusing. Or in this case, there are too many 5's and that must also be abuse. Look at the games I play. Since becoming a moderator, you will rarely find me in a public game, see sample. Most of my games are clan or tournament related and I have found you are less likely to run into bad players in those areas. Not to say it does not happen, just less likely. I submit that I have shielded myself from games with less than good players, and such 5 star ratings based on the players I play is completely valid.

Dis-Crediting the Accuser

Any good defense also will attempt to discredit the accuser. I will attempt to do so without flaming.

I will start with his submissions into C&A.

Voyagers05 [Busted +10]
t-o-m [settled]
close please.........damn joke... [closed]
insatiable[cleared]

The first one is a clean bust. The following 3 claims are based on run-ins with other players. Nothing to major to note, although it appears he has issues interacting with other players.

Now let's look at the claims against Colton24 so far:
colton24, a waste of time, trolling, point dumping [closed]] - Clearly not enough evidence here
Several Trolls [noted] - Very similar claims to the above waste of time report.
colton24 - homophobia / bigotry [closed] This is one of the more infamous claims, and it is common belief that this in part led to the downfall of the Tournament Newsletter.
colton24 posting fake pm's/flames [noted]This one is very key to my case. Colton24 has been accused in the past of falsifying or deleting content to aid his arguments. Colton in his claim against me, has given no context because he knows that it will discredit his argument, or was simply too lazy to do his research.
jammyjames & colton24 / spamming wall[closed/banned]
colton24 uses unannounced account sitter[Closed/Cleared]
colton24[closed]
colton24 - spamming and necrobumping [pending] lv

I submit this evidence as examples of "poor behaviour". In addition to these, I also submit the return comment on my rating of him.

Response: Just shows how much a mod can be an ass and leave untruthful ratings

Let this also be entered into the record for consideration of "poor behaviour".

Moderator Interaction - Further evidence to support vindictive

Being a moderator means that you sometimes interact with certain members. Colton24 is certainly one of those members I've had to deal quite often with.

The first interaction I believe was when he was leader of Water's Fury. His clan failed due to poor leadership, and several clan members were offended when he passed blame onto them. Colton has a history of passing blame. I'm sure a few people thought I was crazy allowing them into the 2nd Season of the Clan League, however, I have always attempted to be professional.

Now, let's move on to his next clan. He asked me to dig a full thread out of the Clan Archives so that he could restart a clan. I suggested that he start fresh. He didn't like that suggestion, and immediately went to Optimus Prime to complain and accused me of "picking on him". In return, I split the post and allowed him to continue on. Notice the positive comments by me in the beginning of this thread. [sarcasm]Truly uncalled for.[/sarcasm] Based on Colton's history on CC, I asked the moderator team if Colton24 should be allowed to lead another group, and I did advise against giving him leader rights. In the end, he was given permission as a "second chance." I wish you could all see the comments made by others, however, I am not allowed to share that information. Even then, it would be simply hearsay.

Now the the conclusion in this area. While Colton has been leader of 2 clans now, I have received several complaints that he has not allowed people to leave his clan. I sent Colton a pm about these complaints and he claimed that he did not know people wanted to leave. I then explained why the settings he is using was effectively forcing people to stay in his clan. I submit that my hesitation to grant leader rights was valid and still is. His response this time, was a public thread. His first post edited most of the pms out, in what I submit is an attempt to slander and mislead the public. Also, notice how quickly Optimus Prime responded. I submit that it is likely that Colton once again, complained about me. Optimus Prime, in his wisdom does give a good suggestion, however, given past clans I don't believe that Colton24 would be opposed to people joining his clan since he has had a hard time getting players to join in the first place. I have received no warnings about my interactions from Optimus Prime, although I was scolded once for being tough on the TD's.

I submit that these interactions, have led to a bias which has resulted in this claim against me.

jpcloet is a bad moderator

Now, I will admit that I am not completely innocent. I do have a signature warning on my player record, although I am sure that will not give me street cred with the CC Bad Boys. I would also like to take this moment to plead Guilty to not full-filling the responsibilities of a moderator. I have not noted all the complaints against colton24 in his player record. By doing so, I have been more lenient to Colton24 than to some other players, and I'd like to say sorry to Serbia for being inconsistent. (although Toby was in the right to spank you 24 hours) And while Serbia does still hold a grudge, he at least does so in a clever manner which many can appreciate.

Newsletter and Stalking

In this section, I will provide evidence that will suggest that Colton24 should be investigated for stalking me.

Let's start with the Newsletter. I've been a part of the CC News from the very beginning. Once the Tournament Newsletter was finished, Colton24 eventually got onto the new team. Having the past interactions with Colton24 and seeing what he did in the other Newsletter, I requested politely that NS and Sam consider not having Colton as part of the team. At the time, it was becoming apparent that Colton was likely stalking me. I really don't want much to do with him anymore. My understanding is that was already under consideration, and he was removed shortly after. I eventually put him on my foe list.

It was around this time, that I began getting suspicious that he had it in for me. The next thread is the one that set off the "weird alert" for me. Colton in some weird way appears to have a man-crush on me. I thought I'd watch and see where the thread went, and with many Colton24 projects, it appears to have been abandoned. (I even threw in a very subtle shoutout to Serbia in case he was still checking on me, he seems to randomly do that, as evidenced in this thread already.)

Here is some of his fine Tournament work in addition:
The Apprentice [Round 7]
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=92282

Conclusion

I have provided evidence as to show that Colton24's basis for the claim is vindictive and also spurious. Given his past history and the additional evidence, it is clear to me that Colton24 has not learned from his past mistakes, and continues to manipulate pm's to slander those who contribute to the site. Based on this alone, I would suggest the next level of a forum ban in conjuction with this spurious C&A claim. It is also likely that a case could be made to have Colton24 investigated for harassment/stalking and that is up to the C&A mods to decide if they wish to persue. In addition to that, I also submit that Colton has shown a history of doing things in such poor quality, that it has made being a part of his clan/tournament/forum game and forum threads a disappointing experience. I will also acknowledge that beyond this thread, Colton24 needs a mentor. Someone who can review his posts and thoughts before they get him into further problems.

The defense has a few questions for Colton24 and Optimus Prime.

To Colton24: Has Colton24 complained to OPrime about me only (targeting) or has he also complained about other mods?

To OPrime: In such complaints, were they spurious?

[gambler21210]

this thread is a joke

jp is honest

coulton should leave cc if he feels that way
no place 4 him here if he cant take it


GET OVER IT

[colton24]

Just cause I joined the newsletter that is stalking? Creating a Where in the World game is stalking? And no I did not make this for attention like everyone is assuming. I made it cause, yea, I did feel like there was a rule voilation. I joined the newsletter cause I wanted to be on it just like the tourney newsletter. And, ffs, I never knew what that meant when I said it. It ain't my fault it was asked or it was put in there.

[Serbia]

Here it is:

jpcloet is a bad moderator

Now, I will admit that I am not completely innocent. I do have a signature warning on my player record, although I am sure that will not give me street cred with the CC Bad Boys. I would also like to take this moment to plead Guilty to not full-filling the responsibilities of a moderator. I have not noted all the complaints against colton24 in his player record. By doing so, I have been more lenient to Colton24 than to some other players, and I'd like to say sorry to Serbia for being inconsistent. (although Toby was in the right to spank you 24 hours) And while Serbia does still hold a grudge, he at least does so in a clever manner which many can appreciate.

Really the only line that needs reading. And even though nobody likes Toby, I can appreciate his admiration for me.

And seriously, why hasn't colton just been banned for this yet? If you're going to embark on an admirable crusade, such as getting Toby removed from the interwebs altogether (which would actually make them dull and boring, so I'm not in favor), then at least try to make an actual case against him (example - he sucks!) instead of trying to make something out of nothing. Another waste of a thread, another lack of discipline, and once again, users are pissed. This kid is far more annoying to most of us than Dancing Mustard or saxitoxin (Thanks, Gang!!!) has ever been.

[Master Fenrir]

Here it is:

Defense of My Colton24 Rating

I started off the day playing in my first BR Game 6207937. Colton24 was in that game. I then created another one later, and colton24 also joined that game right after I did in Game 6211219. Later that night, when the public was asking more more doodle games, I created Game 6211390 which Colton24 also joined in on. Colton24 was not on my foe list at that point, and was removed today temporarily so that I may read his posts and provide game chat.

Colton's game went like this....

2010-01-02 23:10:26 - colton24 received 3 troops for 1 regions
2010-01-02 23:10:26 - carlpgoodrich assaulted Ha Tinh from Bolikhamxai and conquered it from colton24
2010-01-02 23:10:26 - carlpgoodrich eliminated colton24 from the game
2010-01-02 23:10:26 - colton24 lost 17 points

to which the game chat was

2010-01-02 23:10:38 - colton24: f*ck you carl
2010-01-02 23:10:45 - jpcloet: ha ha'
2010-01-02 23:10:59 - Prankcall: lol
2010-01-02 23:11:02 - colton24: stfu jp

It is this game that caused me to rate Colton24. I gave him 3 (average) for fairplay, 1 for Gameplay and 1 for attitude. The 1 for gameplay might be a little harsh, but it is fair IMO given that he didn't even deploy. Colton in return gave me a 3-1-1. Now, Prankcall also laughed at Colton's bad fortune. Upon review, it appears that only I was given a rating. Why only me? I submit that the rating was left to be vindictive. He never told Prank to stfu either. Suspicious indeed.

Those are the only 3 games I have ever played with Colton24.

Defense of My 5-Star Ratings

The one thing that people are not doing is looking at the context around why someone rates. It is all a superficial argument, hey it's all ones, he must be abusing. Or in this case, there are too many 5's and that must also be abuse. Look at the games I play. Since becoming a moderator, you will rarely find me in a public game, see sample. Most of my games are clan or tournament related and I have found you are less likely to run into bad players in those areas. Not to say it does not happen, just less likely. I submit that I have shielded myself from games with less than good players, and such 5 star ratings based on the players I play is completely valid.

Dis-Crediting the Accuser

Any good defense also will attempt to discredit the accuser. I will attempt to do so without flaming.

I will start with his submissions into C&A.

Voyagers05 [Busted +10]
t-o-m [settled]
close please.........damn joke... [closed]
insatiable[cleared]

The first one is a clean bust. The following 3 claims are based on run-ins with other players. Nothing to major to note, although it appears he has issues interacting with other players.

Now let's look at the claims against Colton24 so far:
colton24, a waste of time, trolling, point dumping [closed]] - Clearly not enough evidence here
Several Trolls [noted] - Very similar claims to the above waste of time report.
colton24 - homophobia / bigotry [closed] This is one of the more infamous claims, and it is common belief that this in part led to the downfall of the Tournament Newsletter.
colton24 posting fake pm's/flames [noted]This one is very key to my case. Colton24 has been accused in the past of falsifying or deleting content to aid his arguments. Colton in his claim against me, has given no context because he knows that it will discredit his argument, or was simply too lazy to do his research.
jammyjames & colton24 / spamming wall[closed/banned]
colton24 uses unannounced account sitter[Closed/Cleared]
colton24[closed]
colton24 - spamming and necrobumping [pending] lv

I submit this evidence as examples of "poor behaviour". In addition to these, I also submit the return comment on my rating of him.

Response: Just shows how much a mod can be an ass and leave untruthful ratings

Let this also be entered into the record for consideration of "poor behaviour".

Moderator Interaction - Further evidence to support vindictive

Being a moderator means that you sometimes interact with certain members. Colton24 is certainly one of those members I've had to deal quite often with.

The first interaction I believe was when he was leader of Water's Fury. His clan failed due to poor leadership, and several clan members were offended when he passed blame onto them. Colton has a history of passing blame. I'm sure a few people thought I was crazy allowing them into the 2nd Season of the Clan League, however, I have always attempted to be professional.

Now, let's move on to his next clan. He asked me to dig a full thread out of the Clan Archives so that he could restart a clan. I suggested that he start fresh. He didn't like that suggestion, and immediately went to Optimus Prime to complain and accused me of "picking on him". In return, I split the post and allowed him to continue on. Notice the positive comments by me in the beginning of this thread. [sarcasm]Truly uncalled for.[/sarcasm] Based on Colton's history on CC, I asked the moderator team if Colton24 should be allowed to lead another group, and I did advise against giving him leader rights. In the end, he was given permission as a "second chance." I wish you could all see the comments made by others, however, I am not allowed to share that information. Even then, it would be simply hearsay.

Now the the conclusion in this area. While Colton has been leader of 2 clans now, I have received several complaints that he has not allowed people to leave his clan. I sent Colton a pm about these complaints and he claimed that he did not know people wanted to leave. I then explained why the settings he is using was effectively forcing people to stay in his clan. I submit that my hesitation to grant leader rights was valid and still is. His response this time, was a public thread. His first post edited most of the pms out, in what I submit is an attempt to slander and mislead the public. Also, notice how quickly Optimus Prime responded. I submit that it is likely that Colton once again, complained about me. Optimus Prime, in his wisdom does give a good suggestion, however, given past clans I don't believe that Colton24 would be opposed to people joining his clan since he has had a hard time getting players to join in the first place. I have received no warnings about my interactions from Optimus Prime, although I was scolded once for being tough on the TD's.

I submit that these interactions, have led to a bias which has resulted in this claim against me.

jpcloet is a bad moderator

Now, I will admit that I am not completely innocent. I do have a signature warning on my player record, although I am sure that will not give me street cred with the CC Bad Boys. I would also like to take this moment to plead Guilty to not full-filling the responsibilities of a moderator. I have not noted all the complaints against colton24 in his player record. By doing so, I have been more lenient to Colton24 than to some other players, and I'd like to say sorry to Serbia for being inconsistent. (although Toby was in the right to spank you 24 hours) And while Serbia does still hold a grudge, he at least does so in a clever manner which many can appreciate.

Newsletter and Stalking

In this section, I will provide evidence that will suggest that Colton24 should be investigated for stalking me.

Let's start with the Newsletter. I've been a part of the CC News from the very beginning. Once the Tournament Newsletter was finished, Colton24 eventually got onto the new team. Having the past interactions with Colton24 and seeing what he did in the other Newsletter, I requested politely that NS and Sam consider not having Colton as part of the team. At the time, it was becoming apparent that Colton was likely stalking me. I really don't want much to do with him anymore. My understanding is that was already under consideration, and he was removed shortly after. I eventually put him on my foe list.

It was around this time, that I began getting suspicious that he had it in for me. The next thread is the one that set off the "weird alert" for me. Colton in some weird way appears to have a man-crush on me. I thought I'd watch and see where the thread went, and with many Colton24 projects, it appears to have been abandoned. (I even threw in a very subtle shoutout to Serbia in case he was still checking on me, he seems to randomly do that, as evidenced in this thread already.)

Here is some of his fine Tournament work in addition:
The Apprentice [Round 7]
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=93&t=92282

Conclusion

I have provided evidence as to show that Colton24's basis for the claim is vindictive and also spurious. Given his past history and the additional evidence, it is clear to me that Colton24 has not learned from his past mistakes, and continues to manipulate pm's to slander those who contribute to the site. Based on this alone, I would suggest the next level of a forum ban in conjuction with this spurious C&A claim. It is also likely that a case could be made to have Colton24 investigated for harassment/stalking and that is up to the C&A mods to decide if they wish to persue. In addition to that, I also submit that Colton has shown a history of doing things in such poor quality, that it has made being a part of his clan/tournament/forum game and forum threads a disappointing experience. I will also acknowledge that beyond this thread, Colton24 needs a mentor. Someone who can review his posts and thoughts before they get him into further problems.

Wow, I can't help but feel that this is the CC equivalent to having to put a cover letter on your TPS reports. Nicely done, though. I never saw that Where in the World thread. That creeped me out.

[jefjef]

7 pages. From present to Jan 14 2009.

350 ratings

330 = all 5 stars.

9 = 5 stars in two catagories 4 stars in the other

1 = 5 stars one catagory 4 stars in the others

8 = avg type ratings

2 = all 1 stars

[colton24]

7 pages. From present to Jan 14 2009.

350 ratings

330 = all 5 stars.

9 = 5 stars in two catagories 4 stars in the other

1 = 5 stars one catagory 4 stars in the others

8 = avg type ratings

2 = all 1 stars

Still spurious? Or are yall gonna ignore this?

[AAFitz]

7 pages. From present to Jan 14 2009.

350 ratings

330 = all 5 stars.

9 = 5 stars in two catagories 4 stars in the other

1 = 5 stars one catagory 4 stars in the others

8 = avg type ratings

2 = all 1 stars

Still spurious? Or are yall gonna ignore this?

well, I dont think its spurious, but it isnt abuse. You think its abuse, but that doesn't make it so. We have a god given right to have a high opinion of players if we want. He should be commended for his ratings. Its awesome to see someone who has the restraint not to give out one stars except in extreme circumstances.

If everyone rated like this, CC would be a better place.

[THORNHEART]

i GUESS i just have thick skull but im still not getting

how to leave only 1s because you only rate bad players is abuse

when you can obviously leave only 5s because you only rate players you like?


so werid...not that i hate this guy or want him in trouble at all im just asking

basically his defense is i only rate my friend in private games so obviously ill give out only 5 stars my defense was i only rate people that suck and i rate them 1s....how is it that i am recieving a warning lmfao...its the same arguement were using.

[Woodruff]

This kid is far more annoying to most of us than Dancing Mustard or saxitoxin (Thanks, Gang!!!) has ever been.

Yes. I was definitely not a fan of either Dancing Mustard or Saxitoxin...but geez, at least while they were being a pain in the ass, they were also funny at times. Colton is just a waste of blood and hair.

i GUESS i just have thick skull but im still not getting

how to leave only 1s because you only rate bad players is abuse

when you can obviously leave only 5s because you only rate players you like?

so werid...not that i hate this guy or want him in trouble at all im just asking

basically his defense is i only rate my friend in private games so obviously ill give out only 5 stars my defense was i only rate people that suck and i rate them 1s....how is it that i am recieving a warning lmfao...its the same arguement were using.

Thornheart makes an excellent point here, I believe. Granted, that was AAFitz saying it, so it wasn't a mod-hunter.

[the.killing.44]

[jefjef]

7 pages. From present to Jan 14 2009.

350 ratings

330 = all 5 stars.

9 = 5 stars in two catagories 4 stars in the other

1 = 5 stars one catagory 4 stars in the others

8 = avg type ratings

2 = all 1 stars

[jpcloet]

basically his defense is i only rate my friend in private games so obviously ill give out only 5 stars my defense was i only rate people that suck and i rate them 1s....how is it that i am recieving a warning lmfao...its the same arguement were using.

Incorrect, I often find that I don't have to rate anyone since I've often played them already. Plus they are not friends but rather common opponents. The argument is simply that I have avoided the regular batch of deadbeaters and douchebags. If 95% of my opponents are quality opponents, then rating 95% as positive is not a deviation.

You can leave ratings for 4 members!

I don't plan on rating these players as I didn't pay attention to what they've done, plus I generally don't rate players in fog games as you simply don't know what went on.

[hiddendragon]

JP, you dirty rotten, dead beating, hacking, multi.

J/K, I've never seen cloet's name here and while I have never had an issue with him and think he is an alright fella I just had to bash him since my chance was here.

[king sam]

aright we gotta all that we need, no sense it beating this any further we will come back when our deliberation is done..

LOCKED

[king sam]

Aright, we all have deliberated behind the scenes, checked over the ratings ourselves and have came to the following conclusion:

Is jpcloet is abusing the ratings system? Looking at his given ratings, NO, he is not.

Looking at his ratings that he has left we were not able to produce any questionable 5 star ratings where the player was obviously rude/vulgar/etc. in the game, and they should produce at least some qualities to make us think it would be a questionable rating.

As said in the past there has been 1 case where a member was reprimanded for violating the rating policy by posting only 5 stars. That user had given out several 5 stars through their history for players that produced questionable ratings. like 5 stars for a player who never took 1 turn in the game and deadbeated.

We have also said in the past that we are more after those people who give poor ratings where the game in reference does not support. Remember that we are all here to play and have fun. If people habitually give poor ratings to people just because they lost the games, then the ratings system has become a revenge tool for those sore at losing. This is not what the ratings system is for.

However, if these poor ratings do have some logic based from the game in reference, we do not look at this as a form of abuse. If the 2 users had an argument of any sort and one gave the other a poor rating because of it, whether we agree or not, that rating is not counted as a questionable rating. We do not judge or side who is right or wrong between parties.

Ratings
To encourage good sportsmanship, members can rate other members they have played with.
Whenever leaving ratings, use caution and good judgement. You are responsible for the ratings that you leave and they become a permanent part of the other member's record, so be sure to leave only fair and factual ratings that relate to the member's behavior in the game.
http://www.conquerclub.com/public.php?m ... tructions5

I am blue in the face from talking about ratings, and anyone who has kept up with the last 20 cases or so in here should be well educated enough to know where the line is. We have not wavered on where we take our stance and have been consistent with the rulings as per the guidelines. Whether you think it is fair or not this is what it is.

Piggybacking from my post in another thread:

Gentlemen & Ladies, i get it, down with the mods, but seriously you guys with this "lets see who we can report next for ratings abuse to see where the rules really stand" are hurting the true modding that could be going on around here. Every other post lately has been a ratings one, and I refuse to believe that you are really that wrapped around the axle on this matter. In the time it takes us to review over this stuff we could have easily investigated 2 or 3 cases of a suspected multiple account or secret diplomacy case. So you can continue to report matters like this or you can choose to not be "popular" and take the higher road and let us do the job of protecting all of you from the real cheaters out there.

By all means you come across a cut and dry abuse of ratings then report it. Cut and Dry being:

• a user that is using the system for vindictive means
  rating inaccurately for a vast majority of other users
  utilizing tags that mostly are never appropriate

But if you get a rating that you feel is undeserved try to work it out with the other guy, leave a response about the feedback you received but don't come crying in here, or barking up some other users tree to prove a point or be trendy. Or do and let the real cheaters continue to manipulate the system.

Ratings are Ratings, their someone elses opinion on how you conducted yourself in a game, are they really that big of a deal that we should have more then 2 abuse cases in C&A at any one time? My answer which I would assume is the obvious one is No.

Jp is Cleared, this will remain locked to take proactive measures to not allow flaming and further bashing in here of the rules, the decision or the accused. Your welcome to open up an E-Ticket to get a 2nd review, but seeing as this was a collective effort between all 6 of us I doubt you will get an overturn.

I challenge you to heed the message I said above about the detriment that is going on by continuing down this quest of seeking out players to see how far this rating fad will stretch. Its allowing the more important cases involving multi's, secret diplomacy, and over the line abuse to go unpunished longer then they should.

King Sam