London [All Cities] Riot 2011

[Pope Joan]

Understand that the barbarians are at the gate.

I was waiting for you to disregard a complex issue completely and reduce it to a cliche.

Never mind the socio-economic reasons behind the hatred of the youth, the reason that they feel disenfranchised enough to start looting and rioting given the opportunity. Never mind that the high unemployment, austerity measures, the education sector, the closing down of youth centers that have led to the youth having no investment what so ever in the status quo. Never mind the interesting reflection of the consumerist culture, that spends billions on convincing the population that its objects are invaluable and now it appears is more than successful. Never mind the police's response, the mindset of whom has led to a murder of 29 year old father of four, whose response has been completely unable to stem the youth. Never mind what this could mean for possible cuts for the police or whether their response has been shaped to highlight to the government that they are invaluable.

Your views are liberalism gone mad. All these scum lacks is a shoot to kill policy Seriously, the police responce is a joke so far: did not they get tear gas or water canons?

[LFAW]

I have got together over 100 people in my local community to throw these kids out if they come rioting in our area. If it does happen, expect LFAW to make the news.

[Lord and Master]

Compulsory National Service.

[Pope Joan]

Here is a link to my local situation: http://birminghamriots2011.tumblr.com/ Check out the Tesco Value pic!!

I phoned a friend and got some intel. The guy shot in Totenham was apparently a gang elder and it did look dodgy with the police faking the evidence. The dead elder was well respected and the black gangs in the area rioted on night 1. With school holiday on, they can get large numbers of kids to the street if they wish. Then on nights 2 and 3 all sorts of scum joined in to loot. That is the story so far.

[khazalid]

are these riots racial?

The vast majority of the looter are spades btw. Anyone want to give me a forum ban for using the term spades, then go ahead.
These scummy cunts are virtually all black and they are tearing this city apart.

to the person asking why there are none in scotland: that's why.

nail-on-the-head, ped.

[MeDeFe]

... This is why I love my guns... well, one of the reasons I love them.

... My 9mm security blanket.

Yeah, just imagine how much fun this would be if all the looters had guns, or looted a weapon shop.

[thegreekdog]

Understand that the barbarians are at the gate.

I was waiting for you to disregard a complex issue completely and reduce it to a cliche.

Never mind the socio-economic reasons behind the hatred of the youth, the reason that they feel disenfranchised enough to start looting and rioting given the opportunity. Never mind that the high unemployment, austerity measures, the education sector, the closing down of youth centers that have led to the youth having no investment what so ever in the status quo. Never mind the interesting reflection of the consumerist culture, that spends billions on convincing the population that its objects are invaluable and now it appears is more than successful. Never mind the police's response, the mindset of whom has led to a murder of 29 year old father of four, whose response has been completely unable to stem the youth. Never mind what this could mean for possible cuts for the police or whether their response has been shaped to highlight to the government that they are invaluable.

The riots and looting are reprehensible but to simply shut off your brain, which does seem to be your default status, and to call them barbarians misses a great deal what these riots have revealed.

Some things are apparent here, based on Pedro's descriptions (and I would hardly call Pedro a conservative, pro-elite, pro-status quo kind of guy):

(1) The original riots started as a response to the police shooting a man.
(2) The riots are now the avenue by which youths have taken advantage, criminally.

So, I ask you the following questions:

(1) Who among the rioters are disenfranchised?
(2) What makes you think that the reason for the riots is disenfranchisement and not, as Pedro suggests, trying to steal stuff?
(3) What makes you think the riots are a response to high unemployment and austerity measures?

I additionally offer the following - If these young men were rioting to change the system, I would have sympathy for them. Instead, they are rioting (can we even call it rioting) because they want free shit. Therefore, although Phatscotty is quick with the one liners that don't make sense, it's ridiculous for you to posit that these riots are anything more than a way for people to steal things. I mean, really... disenfranchisement? Are you suggesting there is some sort of comparison between these people and the people in Egypt or Libya? Knock it off.

[thegreekdog]

... This is why I love my guns... well, one of the reasons I love them.

... My 9mm security blanket.

Yeah, just imagine how much fun this would be if all the looters had guns, or looted a weapon shop.

I think you confused "I love my guns" with "I love guns." By owning a gun, Nobunaga doesn't have to worry about youths stealing his bike.

[Pedronicus]

That was a scary night last night. More shops in my road were attacked. Woke up to a huge black cloud of smoke from the blaze at the Sony distribution warehouse in Enfield
It turns out that all London police cells are now full.
Not exactly the sort of news the police needed to release. How the f*ck is that info going to stop further riots tonight? It's going to be like a green light to these cunts.

police numbers on the streets to be trebled tonight. That won't be enough. It's obvious from the news images that the police that aren't trained in Rioting don't do anything to stop the rioters.

I expect even more violence tonight. Last night just made the mob realise what power they can wield.

[Lord and Master]

Where are the vigilante's when you need them? Or the battle-hardened middle-aged footy hooligans? Why aren't they spilling out of the local boozers in force, enraged at the antics of these cheeky little turds? Big Society in action (or inaction) Mr Cameron?

Heard the call for parents/guardians to "keep youths home tonight"... Good luck with that.

Is this the beginning of the UK police-state? Lets see if we can't outdo the US' patriot act with rushed, badly-thought out legislation to ensure the transition of todays "high-spirited" youths into tomorrows down-trodden, soul-less masses.
Incidentally, I'd quite like a lap-top if anyone knows of any going spare, as it were... Or a 2Tb media player, they're sweet

ps To someone who said it was in Manchester too, nope, Scousers, Brummies & er, cunts from Bristol joined in but no-one else. Or not yet at least.

[jbrettlip]

communism and socialism don't work. When it is attempted, it will fail and this is the result. I have to say, after reading so many, "free markets don't work" and the "UK has great free healthcare" lying posts on here, it is funny to see the Brits try to explain away these riots as "disenfranchised youths angry about unemployment". Here's an idea, quit giving people's money away to other people who don't deserve it, and your economy may improve.

[comic boy]

communism and socialism don't work. When it is attempted, it will fail and this is the result. I have to say, after reading so many, "free markets don't work" and the "UK has great free healthcare" lying posts on here, it is funny to see the Brits try to explain away these riots as "disenfranchised youths angry about unemployment". Here's an idea, quit giving people's money away to other people who don't deserve it, and your economy may improve.

Wow you appear to be an even bigger moron than I believed possible
A few liberal media types ( notably the BBC ) are making half hearted attempts to justify whats happened but generally there has been nothing but disgust expressed across the political spectrum.
Scumbags and idiots are taking advantage of the situation in order to steal , cause aggro and have a laugh at the expense of ordinary working people,there is no underlying reason and no excuse,

[jbrettlip]

communism and socialism don't work. When it is attempted, it will fail and this is the result. I have to say, after reading so many, "free markets don't work" and the "UK has great free healthcare" lying posts on here, it is funny to see the Brits try to explain away these riots as "disenfranchised youths angry about unemployment". Here's an idea, quit giving people's money away to other people who don't deserve it, and your economy may improve.

Wow you appear to be an even bigger moron than I believed possible
A few liberal media types ( notably the BBC ) are making half hearted attempts to justify whats happened but generally there has been nothing but disgust expressed across the political spectrum.
Scumbags and idiots are taking advantage of the situation in order to steal , cause aggro and have a laugh at the expense of ordinary working people,there is no underlying reason and no excuse,

I wasn't quoting news sources, I was quoting people on CC forums. You can call me names all you want. You are the moron. Burn, England, BURN!!!

[PLAYER57832]

Where are the vigilante's when you need them? Or the battle-hardened middle-aged footy hooligans? Why aren't they spilling out of the local boozers in force, enraged at the antics of these cheeky little turds?

These seem to be the ones out on the street rioting.

[#1_stunna]

British Prime Minister David Cameron recalls Parliament from recess to deal with riots and looting spreading across country, as a 26-year-old is found shot dead in a car.

[Pedronicus]

Amazon.co.uk's top sports and leisure sellers in the last 24 hours
Check out the percentage of sales increases!!

[nagerous]

All the shops in my local area are shut and bordered up today, so couldn't get any milk. I think they are expecting more riots tonight, there have been talks of using rubber bullets and water cannons to quell those that have been trying to riots.

Communities have been rising up to a certain extent against the riots, particularly in the asian areas like Brick Lane and Whitechapel where I saw the huge group of Muslims outside the Mosque. There has been talk of Turkish gangs protecting their local shops with baseball bats too. I can hear a lot of sirens atm but haven't heard much on the news yet about violence tonight.

[khazalid]

they ain't using the water cannons. can you believe that? i mean, why the hell not? hose the fuckers.

[nagerous]

they ain't using the water cannons. can you believe that? i mean, why the hell not? hose the fuckers.

Sure, why not.. I saw them use them on people during the riots at reading festival in 2008.

[PLAYER57832]

Everyone CC still OK, I gather?

[bedub1]

"We have such less crime here...guns 'r bad mmmkay....you horrible people and all your wars..."

/me watches them riot over silly things like a soccer game....

[khazalid]

what about vancouver a couple months ago?

guns are bad. just look at your murder stats and go figure.

[saxitoxin]

Understand that the barbarians are at the gate.

I was waiting for you to disregard a complex issue completely and reduce it to a cliche.

Never mind the socio-economic reasons behind the hatred of the youth, the reason that they feel disenfranchised enough to start looting and rioting given the opportunity. Never mind that the high unemployment, austerity measures, the education sector, the closing down of youth centers that have led to the youth having no investment what so ever in the status quo. Never mind the interesting reflection of the consumerist culture, that spends billions on convincing the population that its objects are invaluable and now it appears is more than successful. Never mind the police's response, the mindset of whom has led to a murder of 29 year old father of four, whose response has been completely unable to stem the youth. Never mind what this could mean for possible cuts for the police or whether their response has been shaped to highlight to the government that they are invaluable.

The riots and looting are reprehensible but to simply shut off your brain, which does seem to be your default status, and to call them barbarians misses a great deal what these riots have revealed.

If civilization is hanging by such a hair-thread that an insurgency would result from the cancellation of arts and crafts night at the Islington Youth Centre, things are more serious than anyone had imagined. It's hopeless. Time for Elizabeth to surrender the palace to Li'l Jojo from Hockley.

I dunno how it is elsewhere, but in Santa Barbara it's usually gay drama kids, retards and the Magic: The Gathering crowd who hang-out at youth centres. Perhaps they're really hopping places in the UK, though.

"The Youth!" - "The Youth?" - "The Youth." - "The Youth ..."

While currently trendy to stamp this cliched monicker everywhere, demographic segments are not monoliths with hive-minds. Somewhere in a deep cavern there's not a King of the Youth issuing orders to "The Youth" ... Elect Obama, Use Facebook, Riot in London, Dump Facebook, Listen to Vampire Weekend...

[Ickyketseddie]

communism and socialism don't work. When it is attempted, it will fail and this is the result. I have to say, after reading so many, "free markets don't work" and the "UK has great free healthcare" lying posts on here, it is funny to see the Brits try to explain away these riots as "disenfranchised youths angry about unemployment". Here's an idea, quit giving people's money away to other people who don't deserve it, and your economy may improve.

Yeah because its up to us???

Its just knobs have found a excuse to smash up there own towns! Here comes higher tax and insurance.. thanks a lot... I dont see why water cannons and CS wern't used on day 1? Dont think it'd still be going on now if it was?

[khazalid]

Understand that the barbarians are at the gate.

I was waiting for you to disregard a complex issue completely and reduce it to a cliche.

Never mind the socio-economic reasons behind the hatred of the youth, the reason that they feel disenfranchised enough to start looting and rioting given the opportunity. Never mind that the high unemployment, austerity measures, the education sector, the closing down of youth centers that have led to the youth having no investment what so ever in the status quo. Never mind the interesting reflection of the consumerist culture, that spends billions on convincing the population that its objects are invaluable and now it appears is more than successful. Never mind the police's response, the mindset of whom has led to a murder of 29 year old father of four, whose response has been completely unable to stem the youth. Never mind what this could mean for possible cuts for the police or whether their response has been shaped to highlight to the government that they are invaluable.

The riots and looting are reprehensible but to simply shut off your brain, which does seem to be your default status, and to call them barbarians misses a great deal what these riots have revealed.

If civilization is hanging by such a hair-thread that an insurgency would result from the cancellation of arts and crafts night at the Islington Youth Centre, things are more serious than anyone had imagined. It's hopeless. Time for Elizabeth to surrender the palace to Li'l Jojo from Hockley.

I dunno how it is elsewhere, but in Santa Barbara it's usually gay drama kids, retards and the Magic: The Gathering crowd who hang-out at youth centres. Perhaps they're really hopping places in the UK, though.

"The Youth!" - "The Youth?" - "The Youth." - "The Youth ..."

While currently trendy to stamp this cliched monicker everywhere, demographic segments are not monoliths with hive-minds. Somewhere in a deep cavern there's not a King of the Youth issuing orders to "The Youth" ... Elect Obama, Use Facebook, Riot in London, Dump Facebook, Listen to Vampire Weekend...

nice.

i do question your stance on the hive-mind though. like MTV, but more insidious