Swine Flu

[Neoteny]

It's just like WWZ... Good real world exercise everyone. Get out your zombie survival plans and review them with your children.

For everyone's information, "Que pasa" is loosely translated as "braaaaaaaiiiiinssssss."

[MeDeFe]

OK Chicken Little.

THE SKY IS FALLING.......ahhhhhhhhhhhh

No, it's just the dead birds dropping out of it.

[captain.crazy]

Something to think about...

According to the CDC in 2005 the number of deaths in the U.S. that year by influenza was: 63,001

Now, IF that many people NORMALLY die from the flu every year.....what exactly is it everyone is panicked about?

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/FASTATS/deaths.htm


According to the WHO in 2003 it is estimated that:

between three and five million cases of severe illness and between 250 000 and 500 000 deaths every year around the world. Most deaths currently associated with influenza in industrialized countries occur among the elderly over 65 years of age.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factshee ... /fs211/en/

In a week's time less than 2,000 people world wide (most in Mexico City) have gotten ill and so far the ONLY deaths are 152 in Mexico.

Given the general population.....I don't call that an epidemic OR pandemic.

Eat fresh foods, drink clean water and stay away from the vaccination clinics!!!

[Snorri1234]

Eat fresh foods, drink clean water and stay away from the vaccination clinics!!!

Wait...why stay away from vaccination clinics?

[mpjh]

There is NO vaccine for the swine flu.

[captain.crazy]

Eat fresh foods, drink clean water and stay away from the vaccination clinics!!!

Wait...why stay away from vaccination clinics?

This same thing happened back in the 70's. The government rushed to action, with a "vaccine" that sis more harm than good. Vaccines are a hoax.

[Snorri1234]

Eat fresh foods, drink clean water and stay away from the vaccination clinics!!!

Wait...why stay away from vaccination clinics?

This same thing happened back in the 70's. The government rushed to action, with a "vaccine" that sis more harm than good. Vaccines are a hoax.

Ah, the old "vaccines don't work" point.

Figured that you would go with that.

[captain.crazy]

Eat fresh foods, drink clean water and stay away from the vaccination clinics!!!

Wait...why stay away from vaccination clinics?

This same thing happened back in the 70's. The government rushed to action, with a "vaccine" that sis more harm than good. Vaccines are a hoax.

Ah, the old "vaccines don't work" point.

Figured that you would go with that.

Well, I encourage you to go. If you like all that nasty preservative shit that they put in those toxic bull shit cocktails, then by all means, go. One less skeptic in the world is definitely no loss.

But do consider this...

Why do the include chicken pox, hepatitis b, and papillomavirus when kids are too young to contract these viruses? Money!

Also, consider this...

Why do state officials seem to tell you that you must get vaccinated, neglecting to inform you that you are under no legal obligation to take vaccination? Money!

They are preserved with the cheapest (often most toxic) preservatives ( phemaldehyde and mercury ring a bell)... why? Oh, yes... Money!

So, in principal, vaccinations do work, the body identifies the dead pathogens and remembers them when they are introduced into the body... a great design by the creator, indeed... But the implementation of vaccination to the masses is piss poor and people should avoid it altogether.

You see, instead of allowing nature to take its course, we, as humans, seem to think that its better to over come the course by preventing the inevitable outcome... death. Think about the forests that are never allowed to burn. year after year, more and more debris piles up on the floor until, one day, you are in a tinder box. The fire that results is millions of acres as opposed to thousands... because we refuse to let nature take its course.

[MeDeFe]

So if we break a leg we shouldn't get any treatment either but "let nature take its course"?

[jbrettlip]

Prayer heals all....

Someone just died in Houston from this.

[Genghis Khant]

....what exactly is it everyone is panicked about?

....In a week's time less than 2,000 people world wide (most in Mexico City) have gotten ill and so far the ONLY deaths are 152 in Mexico.

Given the general population.....I don't call that an epidemic OR pandemic.

Not only that but only about 20 of those deaths have actually been confirmed as type-A H1N1 influenza (swine flu). However, the media doesn't like to let such things as facts and senses of proportion get in the way of a good story.

[Falkomagno]

I say...try to figure it out what's behind all this media madness about Swine Flu...particulary i'm concern the fact that an antropologist that has been with obama a week ago, and now is dead.....

[mpjh]

So if we break a leg we shouldn't get any treatment either but "let nature take its course"?

Vaccines only work against specific flue viruses -- there is NO vaccine for this form of swine flu. The treatment in the US is antivirals, fluids, and rest. Again there is NO vaccine against this flu. Check with CDC if you don't believe this.

[Neoteny]

So if we break a leg we shouldn't get any treatment either but "let nature take its course"?

Vaccines only work against specific flue viruses -- there is NO vaccine for this form of swine flu. The treatment in the US is antivirals, fluids, and rest. Again there is NO vaccine against this flu. Check with CDC if you don't believe this.

It's true. Last estimate I heard was six months.

[MeDeFe]

So if we break a leg we shouldn't get any treatment either but "let nature take its course"?

Vaccines only work against specific flue viruses -- there is NO vaccine for this form of swine flu. The treatment in the US is antivirals, fluids, and rest. Again there is NO vaccine against this flu. Check with CDC if you don't believe this.

And?

That's not a point I was replying to. It wasn't anywhere in the post preceding mine.

[mpjh]

And, who cares?

[Juan_Bottom]

There is NO vaccine for the swine flu.

Yeah, i was speaking in generalizations. The Mexican Government doesn't have a plan for any outbreaks or anything.

[MaleAlphaThree]

What is this CDC why would I want to join this church?

Everyone remember that when the apocalypse comes, save a bullet for yourself.

[Timminz]

And, who cares?

Correct.

[mpjh]

What is this CDC why would I want to join this church?

Everyone remember that when the apocalypse comes, save a bullet for yourself.

Center for Disease Control

Please use your bullet now.

[Falkomagno]

Now level 5 of 6. Media terrorism

[Timminz]

Now level 5 of 6. Media terrorism

Um. You know, it's the World Health Organization that determines which phase we're at, not the media.

[Kegler]

Eat fresh foods, drink clean water and stay away from the vaccination clinics!!!

Wait...why stay away from vaccination clinics?

This same thing happened back in the 70's. The government rushed to action, with a "vaccine" that sis more harm than good. Vaccines are a hoax.

Ah, the old "vaccines don't work" point.

Figured that you would go with that.

Yes the 1976 swine flu, good point!
http://www.capitalcentury.com/1976.html
That is what has me concerned, Ive heard the vaccine wont be ready at least another six months or so, what are they giving the Mexican people
another odd story from last year>
http://nationalhogfarmer.com/health-diseases/1215-experimental-vaccine-effective/

[PLAYER57832]

Well, I encourage you to go. If you like all that nasty preservative shit that they put in those toxic bull shit cocktails, then by all means, go. One less skeptic in the world is definitely no loss.

But do consider this...

Why do the include chicken pox, hepatitis b, and papillomavirus when kids are too young to contract these viruses? Money!

Whomever told you this is just wrong. Babies can most certainly contract chicken pox and Hepatitis B. Babies have DIED from these diseases. They are not being vaccinated again human papillomavirus that I know of.

Also, consider this...

Why do state officials seem to tell you that you must get vaccinated, neglecting to inform you that you are under no legal obligation to take vaccination? Money!

You are only partially correct. The law mandates vaccinations, but will allow those with religious exclusions or medical reasons to opt out.

Every parent is supposed to be given a pamphlet that lists the risks of each vaccine. The risk of a serious reaction is roughly 1 in 14,000. HOWEVER, the risk of dying from measles (alone) is 1 in 250. There is currently no real cure for Hepatitis B. When you don't vaccinate yourself or your kids, you are only safe because so many people DO vaccinate. Furthermore, you put at risk those kids who cannot get vaccinated because they are going through cancer treatment or have true serious medical issues (perhaps a close sibling who did have a serious reaction).

They are preserved with the cheapest (often most toxic) preservatives ( phemaldehyde and mercury ring a bell)... why? Oh, yes... Money!

Those are not being used any more, but seems like you are a big proponent of reducing cost and the free market. Yes, those were used ... UNTIL it was found they caused harm. Even so, the harm was very minimal compared to the risk of the diseases.

So, in principal, vaccinations do work, the body identifies the dead pathogens and remembers them when they are introduced into the body... a great design by the creator, indeed... But the implementation of vaccination to the masses is piss poor and people should avoid it altogether.

Study history... as in about 80 years ago when vaccines were unknown.

You see, instead of allowing nature to take its course, we, as humans, seem to think that its better to over come the course by preventing the inevitable outcome... death. Think about the forests that are never allowed to burn. year after year, more and more debris piles up on the floor until, one day, you are in a tinder box. The fire that results is millions of acres as opposed to thousands... because we refuse to let nature take its course.

This is an entirely different subject ... more related to the overuse of antibiotics than vaccines.

[PLAYER57832]

....what exactly is it everyone is panicked about?

....In a week's time less than 2,000 people world wide (most in Mexico City) have gotten ill and so far the ONLY deaths are 152 in Mexico.

Given the general population.....I don't call that an epidemic OR pandemic.

Not only that but only about 20 of those deaths have actually been confirmed as type-A H1N1 influenza (swine flu). However, the media doesn't like to let such things as facts and senses of proportion get in the way of a good story.

It is not yet officially a pandemic. Right now, it is just preparations. The idea is to keep in under control.
HOWEVER, the fact that people have contracted it in so many places widespread from its origin means that the disease has spread and quite likely is a panedemic.... though it might be a mild one.

The worry is that it could be a repeat of the one in the early 1900's. That one killed more than the wars.