Pokemon Endgame: Mafia Victory + jonty

[evilchaos]

I'm not sure. I didn't have anything to say, so I didn't post (posting fluff won't help us).

I still think Hank's posts are scummy. A mafia alliance is a term that sounds like its out of a role PM, especially with the setup of the game that we think we know. I could chalk up the desire to find the double voter as a nooby post, but I just don't understand where he got the mafia alliance term from.

At the same time, it may not be in our best interests to lynch lalaland at the moment. We should probably wait a day and see how Hank's replacement acts.

[shieldgenerator7]

"Wait a day" ok, so then what do we do while waiting, pursue another case? We could do that I guess. How much time before the dealine, does anyone know? If we have a couple weeks we might be able to pursue another case and then jump on lalaland again in case it doesn't get anywhere. Not sure where to start with all that.

I liked lalaland's rebuttle to her predecessor's posts. Claiming they were n00bish is probably the only way to shake those votes off if your role is actually that of scum, and possibly also that if you are town/wild pokemon. But if your role is town/wild pokemon, then why not claim? If you are town, then claim when you're almost pushed to the lynch. Otherwise we're going to assume your scum. Well, lalaland?

[evilchaos]

We shouldn't push for claims right away Shield. We would eventually reveal a PR if we do that to every person we have a case against. lala is right not to claim unless he's about to be lynched (L-2 or L-1). I'm guessing that his reluctance to claim is due to a PR, if he isn't scum. If there is a doctor out there, I recommend protecting him just in case.

I'm not saying there isn't a case against Hank/lala. I was the first to question him and try to build up a case after he talked about mafia alliances. I just think we need to see how lala acts for a week or two before we go ahead and lynch him. It's very possible the comments were just noobish.

I think we should reread through the thread and build a case against somebody else in the meantime. We had other scum candidates from Day 1 as well that we can revisit.

[ShaggyDan]

Back, am slowly catching up on all my games.

We shouldn't push for claims right away Shield. We would eventually reveal a PR if we do that to every person we have a case against. lala is right not to claim unless he's about to be lynched (L-2 or L-1). I'm guessing that his reluctance to claim is due to a PR, if he isn't scum. If there is a doctor out there, I recommend protecting him just in case.

Not only that but if regular roles claim it narrows down scum's targets.

I'm glad Hank was replaced and not lynched/killed without a chance to claim/explain. The information of having a dead cop by a poisoner is unfortunate, but at least we somewhat know what we're up against.

In the case of the pokedex, I think it can mean one of two things.

1. That Charizards and Meowths are wild at the time Oak died.
2. That Charizards and Meowths are permanantly wild from now on.

If they can't be recruited the case of survivors being alive help town for now, I think pressuring the claimed wild Charizard can wait. A survivor isn't really malicious towards either side, more just trying to help whichever side has the best chance of winning... and to be honest, at the moment we don't even know how many sides there are let alone which one is ahead.

So after a quick read I am going to FoS Shield for pushing for a claim, but I do need to properly re-read and have a look at his posts before a vote.

[DoomYoshi]

Deadline in 9 days.

[Mr. Squirrel]

There is no case against Victor. He claimed a wild survivor Charizard. He can just be recruited by the good guys as the bad guys. Lynching a survivor is a completely wasted day. My vote remains on lalaland for the transgressions made by hank. Freezie who I also don't trust has been trying to push the lynch away from lala/hank for a little while, would I be wrong to assume a potential link there. I suggested lala that she should claim, hank's mistakes were too big for me just to ignore and allow him to be replaced and I noticed that has been conveniently ignored. Something to hide?

1) Depending on the interpretation of the modkill scene, it's possible that Victor cannot be recruited and so would be a neutral choice for us to lynch today
2) Hank made a total of something like 3 posts, so I'm not sure what you mean by his mistakes being "too big to ignore", and don't quite understand the gravity of his "transgressions" - they look mostly like n00bspeak to me. Like I said, I don't know his motivations for his 3ish rather ridiculous posts, and it seems to me that the case was made in large part out of the fact that he wasn't showing up to defend himself/add anything.
3) At this point, I don't think a claim is necessary, although if it does become necessary (L-2 or such) then I will. However, I think the case against hank/me is weak at best
4) If Freezie knows something about me that makes a link between the two of us, I have no knowledge of it.

Nagerous, do you have a follow-up to this?

[freezie]

He clearly doesn't and we're clearly lacking activity.

[shieldgenerator7]

Well, I hate to see a game lag on because no one's posting, so I'll throw in my 2 cents worth.

On the case for lalaland, I still think she's guilty, as guilty as Hank. The part where hank stated the need to find out who was the double voter may have been n00bish, but I doubt the thing about Mafia Alliances is. Where else would he have come up with something like that unless he was Mafia? Right now I'm thinking he is the Mafia recruiter, maybe from team Rocket and he has no other Mafia members besides himself and he has to recruit pokemon in order to build up the Mafia. I have no way of telling for sure if this is the case, but based on the theme and setup speculation I have come to this conclusion.

Other Day 1 suspects (from off the top of my head): nagerous and jonty.
jonty is accused of easy badnwagoning on Fissk, and that makes him look sucmmy because he didn't post any reasoning behind his vote and just voted.
Then nagerous voted jjonty for bandwagoning and that made him look suspicious for voting n00bs (or bandwagoners, depending on whether you consider jonty a n00b, and he's been in a few games already, so I'm thinking he's coming out of the n00b stage). And that's why fircoal voted him.

To me, neither the case on jonty or nagerous has much weight. But Hank's posts are very fishy and are not normal town posts. Can't say much about his submarining because he outright disappeared, but he did some other fishy things. "Mafia Alliances" are not usually called that, I don't think, so the only reason I can see that Hank would ask about it is because it's part of his role. Lalaland, your defense was good considering what you could do. It's a lose-lose situation for you and you put up the best defense you could in this situation. +1 for lalaland. But you're still scum and we're going to lynch you.

[DoomYoshi]

What should I do to stimulate activity? Massive prodlist?

[Victor Sullivan]

Deadline...?

-Sully

[evilchaos]

What should I do to stimulate activity? Massive prodlist?

It would probably be for the best. Just prod everyone who hasn't posted for 5 days or so, considering that everyone has been generally inactive. Then start replacing those that are the most inactive (i.e. haven't posted during Day 2)

[shieldgenerator7]

This is a pretty cool game + setup. It's sad that it's been struck with AUD (Acute Unactivity Disorder).
Hopefully we'll get enough players in here soon to cure it.

[Mr. Squirrel]

What should I do to stimulate activity? Massive prodlist?

Just set tighter deadlines (e.g. move this deadline to thurs or friday) and prod people who haven't posted in at least 5 RL days. From now on, I wouldn't have any of your 'days' last longer than two weeks. Thats plenty of time, no matter how large your game is.

For me, I'm waiting for nagerous' response before I post my opinions.

[Rodion]

I'm against lynching Hank before he gets replaced. At least give him a chance to claim and tell about his N1 actions, if any.

If he ends up flipping town, maybe we got something we can use.

That's the problem with replacements though. They can't really defend the actions of the person they are replacing. I've seen it happen countless times where a person replaces only to get lynched because he has no idea what his predecessor was thinking when he posted.

Sucks for the replacement, but at least we give him a chance to aid the town with his knowledge. After flipping we know if we can use that knowledge or if he lied. Don't see how the town loses by waiting.

There could be a rule saying that you don't get poor W/L/T statistics when you replace someone currently being BWed or so, since it's not really your fault.

I didn't recently post because my opinion has not changed. It sucks for Lala to join the game in such an uncomfortable situation, but from a game theory perspective I don't think there's much that can be done other than acquire information and use it tomorrow (provided Lala flips pro-town).

[nagerous]

What should I do to stimulate activity? Massive prodlist?

Just set tighter deadlines (e.g. move this deadline to thurs or friday) and prod people who haven't posted in at least 5 RL days. From now on, I wouldn't have any of your 'days' last longer than two weeks. Thats plenty of time, no matter how large your game is.

For me, I'm waiting for nagerous' response before I post my opinions.

I'm going to be honest,I don't have any time right now for a follow up, not at least until friday or saturday, with the exam schedule I have this week.

[kratos644]

Sorry I just don't like posting fluff and I don't really have any leads to go on at the moment. =/ It's tough to say if we should just lynch lala or go with something else so currently I'm at a loss.

[gimli1990]

Sorry I just don't like posting fluff and I don't really have any leads to go on at the moment. =/ It's tough to say if we should just lynch lala or go with something else so currently I'm at a loss.

i am in agreement with this i also really do not have much to go on to try and make a good case against anyone.
so i am sorry for not being that active recently i have family in joblin MO that are missing too so i have not been on here that much.

[evilchaos]

Even if you don't have leads, you guys should post and give thoughts on the leads we've already put in the thread.

[jimfinn]

Activity in general = good
fluff = bad

[kratos644]

Even if you don't have leads, you guys should post and give thoughts on the leads we've already put in the thread.

What leads do we have though? There is no case against nag. That was stupid. As for jonty I dunno. That's probably the only case I'd really feel like we might look into.

[shieldgenerator7]

jonty is just bandwagons in general. I don't think he's being particularly scummy in this matter. Over the games I've played with him he has shameless bandwagoned many times. That's pretty much the only reason that I would not pursue his case right now.

[Commander9]

Prod received. Will post something sometime

[freezie]

Activity is here looks like a beach's activity in the middle of a snowy winter.

Terrible.


I went and looked back, and I kinda agree that voting Victor is pointless. HOWEVER, after AoG has been dealt with, I would like a follow up on victor. Yes he coiuld be recruited by good guys, but he could at the same time be recruited by bad guys. The fact he is 3rd party now doesn't mean he's free to go.

I also urge every other wild pokemon to shut the hell up and wait.

unvote

Like I said I was not all that happy with Lala's wagon. Hank was a begginer, and ew have very little evidence that would prove lala as scum. I could br wrong, but I beleive I found a better way to ''test'' lala's guiltyness. And it comes from my friend Squirell

Also, I would rather not lynch AoG in case he is the jester. I'd rather pursue someone else, possibly Hank ("Does anyone know anything about Mafia Alliances"), and other than that I don't know who else sounds scummy, and don't know why nag or jonty have scum tags on them by other players.

Vote Hank

his suspicious behaviour D1 seems rather scummy. I believe that puts him at L-3.

It's very strange that you would lend yourself to this wagon, SG7. Especially when on day 1 you were saying this:

ok, so this whole thing exploded when Hank asked about Mafia Alliances.
My guess is he meant he wanted to have an alliance with another player, hoping that the other player was also town so he could be more protected (from vig kills, cop investigations etc). I don't find the question all that scummy although I uunderstand why it looks that way.
I haven't seen any major scum tells as of yet, but I'm tempted to hop on TheFissk wagon because it looks fun.

Seems to me that a scummate was trying to protect his mate on day 1, but then gave up day 2 and tried to distance himself from him. vote hank, FOS SG7

So, if SG7 made the mistake of trying to distance himself from Hank, lynching Sg7 would prove something. If he's scum, we lynch lala.

Vote: Shieldgenerator

[DoomYoshi]

Vote Count:

shieldgenerator7 (1) - freezie
Victor Sullivan (1) - lalaland
lalaland (6) - shieldgenerator7, Victor Sullivan, Rodion, Mr. Squirrel, nagerous, evilchaos
shaggydan (1) - Streaker

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch

Deadline in 6 days.

[Rodion]

Activity is here looks like a beach's activity in the middle of a snowy winter.

Terrible.


I went and looked back, and I kinda agree that voting Victor is pointless. HOWEVER, after AoG has been dealt with, I would like a follow up on victor. Yes he coiuld be recruited by good guys, but he could at the same time be recruited by bad guys. The fact he is 3rd party now doesn't mean he's free to go.

I also urge every other wild pokemon to shut the hell up and wait.

unvote

Like I said I was not all that happy with Lala's wagon. Hank was a begginer, and ew have very little evidence that would prove lala as scum. I could br wrong, but I beleive I found a better way to ''test'' lala's guiltyness. And it comes from my friend Squirell

Also, I would rather not lynch AoG in case he is the jester. I'd rather pursue someone else, possibly Hank ("Does anyone know anything about Mafia Alliances"), and other than that I don't know who else sounds scummy, and don't know why nag or jonty have scum tags on them by other players.

Vote Hank

his suspicious behaviour D1 seems rather scummy. I believe that puts him at L-3.

It's very strange that you would lend yourself to this wagon, SG7. Especially when on day 1 you were saying this:

ok, so this whole thing exploded when Hank asked about Mafia Alliances.
My guess is he meant he wanted to have an alliance with another player, hoping that the other player was also town so he could be more protected (from vig kills, cop investigations etc). I don't find the question all that scummy although I uunderstand why it looks that way.
I haven't seen any major scum tells as of yet, but I'm tempted to hop on TheFissk wagon because it looks fun.

Seems to me that a scummate was trying to protect his mate on day 1, but then gave up day 2 and tried to distance himself from him. vote hank, FOS SG7

So, if SG7 made the mistake of trying to distance himself from Hank, lynching Sg7 would prove something. If he's scum, we lynch lala.

Vote: Shieldgenerator

And if Shield flips town, what do you suggest for D3?