Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy - Wolves Won

[Loose Canon]

Actually no is my answer to myself.
Can't ignore his want to lynch but want everyone else to tell me who to lynch first stuff D1 , what I'm seeing on occasions now is neutralising mitigation. Can't go better than neutral on Pepe, is where I'm at.

[Loose Canon]

And on Kong I've just seen there is turn sitting for him in a clan game I'm in where he's in the other clan.

[SoN!c]

Actually no is my answer to myself.
Can't ignore his want to lynch but want everyone else to tell me who to lynch first stuff D1 , what I'm seeing on occasions now is neutralising mitigation. Can't go better than neutral on Pepe, is where I'm at.

I have no clue on Pepe for the moment. Wild card flying high in the sky.

[pmchugh]

Feels like we are killing time waiting for a wolf rag to decide whether he can be bothered to defend himself.

Kong played exactly the same last game he was town, including being quiet, being a lyncher etc.

[Loose Canon]

Its true there is a killing time aspect to this at the moment PMC.
I'm seeing it as trying to use time for maybe some marginal prodding and probing, back and forth stuff, and see if anything does fall out from this.
But yeah now you say it its more killing time than useful probably.

[Maxleod]

Its true there is a killing time aspect to this at the moment PMC.
I'm seeing it as trying to use time for maybe some marginal prodding and probing, back and forth stuff, and see if anything does fall out from this.
But yeah now you say it its more killing time than useful probably.

That post was so.. neutral maybe? (for a lack of better words). Definitenly scummy. You're next.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Oh boy. Here comes another crusade.

It's the weekend. Game slows to a crawl. Maybe next game we should call it..."Available Only On Business Days." Supervisors/Foremans/Corporate Bosses can be the mafia, and the town can be union workers and what not.

[Loose Canon]

I'll let the comment from Max pass.
a. I deserve some comeback for trying to get him lynched D1
b. I do prefer it that Max throws heat than doesn't.

On PMC/Kong - yes PMC I agree the evidence of scumminess is weak, weaker than I thought early D2 when it was still weak - but I don't think it is completely non-existent.

[SoN!c]

Yes we are killing time waiting on Rag.. and Rag knows we can't sit in here almost 5 days doing nothing, because "monday" could even be monday late evening..

I can't see this any other way then:

A) buying time

and

B) using a seasoned scum technique hoping we get paranoid or change our minds.

But the fact is: He got 3 votes, and he could not counter at all. It felt like he was caught with his pants down by PMC.

Because the rereads from PMC (all with good analysis) came in way too fast for Rag, with 3 vote's on him following right after. He was totaly unprepared, "never saw that coming". Because untill then he was Easy riding this game just like PMC said "On page 5 and Rag seems like he is in boring, I am scum, nobody notice me mode.". So he got to eat the banana in front of him..

And when asked by LC who he thinks are the 4 scum (when he got the 3 votes DDS-PMC-me), he could not say anything realy but giving a bad banana back. Replying with exactly the 4 names that voted for him (3) with his attacker LC as fourth name in there..

It felt like, being in easy mode, Rag had - until then - only been thinking on 1 scumteam, but not on the second scum faction, because he is one of the second scum team..

Anyways, right after that bad banana reply Rags needed out.. - it was getting too hot in here for him?, and very conveniently he needed to rush (all the sudden) to a festival that would last for 4 days being totaly off grid there? No even a cell phone post possible?

I hope the Monday reply will be real juicy Rags. Because it's a rotten banana by now. DDS calls you a "master bullshitter" so bring any male cow you find at that festival and feed them lot's of rotten banana's. You'll need it.

[Loose Canon]

Yes Sonic, re- reading the re-reads from PMC they were all good and I think genuine, with genuine conclusions following from them in the last post.
They happened so so quickly, after each other in real time.

I'm leaning Town on PMC now.
I've put re-read of re-read assessment of genuine speedy real time posts in one scale.
And cut off my finger of suspicion and put that in the other scale.
And my scales of justice say PMC probably Town.

Town will have to re-assess pmc and EVERYONE D3 when the results of D2 and N2 are known.

[SoN!c]

Yes Sonic, re- reading the re-reads from PMC they were all good and I think genuine, with genuine conclusions following from them in the last post.
They happened so so quickly, after each other in real time.

I'm leaning Town on PMC now.
I've put re-read of re-read assessment of genuine speedy real time posts in one scale.
And cut off my finger of suspicion and put that in the other scale.
And my scales of justice say PMC probably Town.

Town will have to re-assess pmc and EVERYONE D3 when the results of D2 and N2 are known.

That is exactly why the banana on Rag is so humongous. That banana is even bigger then DDS' large Raging community sword (if possible DDS, i know your community sword is the largest object in the universe).

It would be impossible difficult to fake these re-read assessments while having to fast post them like PMC did. And why would you even undertake somehing like that if its very elaborate scum play? Just to frame somebody? No way. You would have to fake that entire string of posts and then have to post them in about the genuine real time it would take in here. That would take so much prep time to do. Can't be. No that entire string is a sexy Chiquita. Impossible to fake. It's flawless. It feels, tastes, looks and smells like a chiquita banana..

Then on top of that sexy Chiquita: DDS - who knows Rag best - says Rag looks so scummy that he even votes him too. So that sexy Banana gets even better with Ice Cream with Salted Caramel Sauce + Homemade Whipped Cream on top.

But when presented to Rag, with a silver spoon to eat it , we all saw what happened?

[Extreme Ways]

Yes we are killing time waiting on Rag.. and Rag knows we can't sit in here almost 5 days doing nothing, because "monday" could even be monday late evening..

I can't see this any other way then:

A) buying time

and

B) using a seasoned scum technique hoping we get paranoid or change our minds.

But the fact is: He got 3 votes, and he could not counter at all. It felt like he was caught with his pants down by PMC.

Because the rereads from PMC (all with good analysis) came in way too fast for Rag, with 3 vote's on him following right after. He was totaly unprepared, "never saw that coming". Because untill then he was Easy riding this game just like PMC said "On page 5 and Rag seems like he is in boring, I am scum, nobody notice me mode.". So he got to eat the banana in front of him..

And when asked by LC who he thinks are the 4 scum (when he got the 3 votes DDS-PMC-me), he could not say anything realy but giving a bad banana back. Replying with exactly the 4 names that voted for him (3) with his attacker LC as fourth name in there..

It felt like, being in easy mode, Rag had - until then - only been thinking on 1 scumteam, but not on the second scum faction, because he is one of the second scum team..

Anyways, right after that bad banana reply Rags needed out.. - it was getting too hot in here for him?, and very conveniently he needed to rush (all the sudden) to a festival that would last for 4 days being totaly off grid there? No even a cell phone post possible?

I hope the Monday reply will be real juicy Rags. Because it's a rotten banana by now. DDS calls you a "master bullshitter" so bring any male cow you find at that festival and feed them lot's of rotten banana's. You'll need it.

im with you and it's why i simply havent opened thread to get paranoid

[DirtyDishSoap]

Its 1am, beer in one hand, and the other on the hilt of our community asset. I sit, and ponder lifes mysteries, like why Ramens lack of posting and beef flavored smart assery.
Why Strike smells like a mango and a tequila shot. Possibly scum anyways. Good riddance I say, you smelly "vanilla" townie! You're not fooling anyone!

And yet, the questions in my head continue to swim. Sonic hasn't flooded the thread with post after post of word torture. Like imagine if you're a town hero, and Sonic traps you like some supervillain, straps you into a chair, and continually swings a cannon ball into your nether region. Or why does Loose seem sane now? Did he stop sniffing the devils dandruff and started off a different type of kool-aid? Can I have some?

The others are the usual quiet themselves. For good reason. There is nothing but madness in these posts most of the time. It's a Lovecraft horror story in the making. To look upon some of the things posted in this thread border on the criminally insane. Things Jeffery Dahmer couldn't stomach and outright make him puke.

Hi. Im DDS. I'm a perfectly normal CC user and I like beer.

[Ragian]

Sonic feels like he wants to hammer Rag before Rag can respond. I dont believe for a second that a stupid tourism site has all kinds of different festivals listed. Rag on the other hand hides (whether that is actually scummy is to be seen) behind being away a lot. They are never in the same faction together.

Thank you! (Although, I'm not hiding. You can just ask Pepe whom I asked to cover for me till getting back if I didn't make my games in time.) I'm back now and am getting up to speed. I will give answers to whatever shit has been flung at me D2 during my reread in a new post which will also contain my top suspects. You'll never guess who is at the top. Stay tuned!

[Loose Canon]

There's 9 of us left including you rag.
To never guess would need 8 of us to have brains of goldfish.
Are you calling us 8 goldfish?

[Ragian]

Up to speed now (ignored a fair few of Son!c's "I know everything about Denmark and bananas" posts because imagined knowledge gets on my tits).

Claim
I'm nothing more than a Vanilla Townie. Luckily, that makes me expendable and I can still win if the rest of town gets its shit together. This post will also contain my scummy to chummy list, so feel free to lynch me afterwards.

Going for Devante, not going for Max

In my opinion, Devante was the most scummy D1, which I stated several times. Moreover, as stated a fair few times, I could see no long term benefit of voting for Max (unless, of course, he was scum, but it felt like guessing more than actual detective work).

Spoiler

[quote="Ragian"]I find it weird that some people are gunning for Max when others don't contribute either. In my head that indicates that they want to drive attention away from other non-contributors and have an easy lynch of Max. Another reason I don't like lynching almost-non-contributors is that the benefit of the lynch - or the info from the lynch - is more or less non-existing. We need to lynch someone who has actively pointed her or his fingers in order to get information for the long run. I want to [color=#FF0000][b]vote Devante[/b][/color] because of his vote on Strike that didn't sit well with me: [quote="Devante"]Last time we joked about him being a wolf and he turned out to be scum so why not. He should really ask for a name change [b][color=#FF0000]VOTE STRIKE[/color][/b] I'm for a D1 lynch personally. Seems to be the only way town can get lucky other then waiting to be killed off[/quote] He's adding a third vote to two joke votes, and only six votes are needed. He seems to want his vote to come off as a joke vote, too, but then again he seems to want the vote to count. A tiny bit later, he misreads my lame comment about Votanic (or he skipped the parenthesis), which indicates that he's skimming. That's more than I usually get to play with D1.[/quote]

Afterwards, he went for me in a very OMGUS kind of faction, but without the courage of the vote.

It might be that the other scum team thought that I was actually on to something since they killed off Devante. But most likely it was just a stab at someone random.

More Max

Rag, it also has occurred to me that you have targetted Max as a vote you can buy off of you later in the game?

Ugh...I don't understand this question. Are you asking if you can buy my vote later to vote Max? No, you can't, but you can persuade me if he acts scummily or out of character. I haven't seen that yet.

The "odd" switch late D1
I can't offer a better explanation that I do prefer a lynch D1, but I need to be behind that lynch. I don't want to lynch indiscriminately or without anything that at least feels like evidence. Seeing that no one wanted to go for Devante, I changed my vote. I also find it odd that I get heat for not changing my vote from Devante until I change my vote and then that's wrong too. What's a girl gotta do to be left alone here?

Loose interrogation

And in fact Rag just looking back now at the last game, you and Max were 2 of the initial 3 and had stuck at the end on the D1 mislynch of DDS.
You weren't shy of a no evidence lynch then.
So yep the more I think about it there is a definite case that as scum you see Max as a player you can draw into your pocket.

This is absolutely untrue, Captain Hindsight! DDS played with his di...beer in his hand that entire D1 by straying from his M.O. until it was noticed after which he changed his tune. He made it VERY easy to mislynch him. This game is different in that I'm not scum.

If anyone is counting, I'm not as annoyed with Loose now as I was immediately after the torrent of questions. Loose, to me at least, feels like genuinely wanting to win as town.

DDS
Yes, DDS knows my play better than anyone here. That's the reason I went for him last game as scum, hanging my hat on loose D1 evidence. I would very much believe that DDS knows that I'm town this game, but he needs a lynch. I think DDS has ulterior motives. (Or, perhaps, just perhaps, I've played so lackadaisically that I'm so below my own standards that I come off as scum. It's just funny that that didn't count last game when I was scum.)

Kong/PMC
I maintain my stance that PMC went for the easy lynch D2 as there were three votes on Kong (which does represent some sort of pressure).

Son!c
He might be town, but he does a lot of things that really makes me think that he's scum. It might just be an annoyance with the overly confident style relying on absolutely nothing and then switching a second later. However, I did notice PMC coming to his defence. Noteworthy.

Scummy to chummy
DDS - I can't get over him not reading me correctly
PMC - I feel that he has come in to just pick the lowest hanging fruit (which would be my balls)
Son!c - Feels all over the place to me and flooding the thread
Traf - EW's points are good
Pepe - I always feel that Pepe is slightly scummy
Max - It could be either or with Max
Loose - I get a feeling that he is trying to solve this
EW - I always find myself agreeing with EW

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Now, what have I not addressed? I shall do so tonight. If you can't wait, lynch me and move the game along. I apologise for being away at Næstved Metal Festival (now, look that shit up and swallow it, kiddo).

FP'ed by Loose.

[Ragian]

There's 9 of us left including you rag.
To never guess would need 8 of us to have brains of goldfish.
Are you calling us 8 goldfish?

What?

[SoN!c]

ffs 5 days waiting and nothing new..

So in a banana shell; your still selling the same bad banana as before?, just changing this?: "If anyone is counting, I'm not as annoyed with Loose now as I was immediately after the torrent of questions. Loose, to me at least, feels like genuinely wanting to win as town."

That is again very convenient as Loose has his hammer on you standing by and you know that.

Also you sound way too diplomatical in this post. It's like you wanna be friends with everybody here just to avoid lynch.

And this answer on Devante:

"It might be that the other scum team thought that I was actually on to something since they killed off Devante. But most likely it was just a stab at someone random."

That sounds like you killed Devante and don't know how to explain it.? Random kill? Why would a scumfaction chose randomkill over strong players like yourself? That scumduo said "hey, let's make a list and roll a couple of dice? Oh waauw - it's Devante's number that popped up, oh well lets kill Devante then."??

[SoN!c]

If you are scum Ragian, and everything points that you are then this was your motive to kill Devante:

His post (moments before N1):

Well I've been drinking and figured i'd try to see what's up but at this point want to make sure I don't miss a vote reLLY. didn't realize deadline tomorrow and i may not be around. Fucking Rags still on me for whatever reason, again annoying but I'll lay that aside, don't want to waste a town vote on pettiness. but if you are actually town knock it off ffs. your wasting energy looking in the wrong direction. i'm fucking town again wish i was scum might make it more interesting. 4 games and only once im a serial killer who obviously was a serial killer shitty. anyhoo whether because drunk or not the last few posts make it worse in my eyes and as much as i hate it gonna agree and vote pepe. again f*ck rags and his bullshit. probably scum again.

and your answer:

@Devante, you keep yelling at me rather than looking at what I'm asking of you. Moreover, for one that really hates my guts,..

Stuff like that is called "motive".

[SoN!c]

Also, and excuse me for flooding here, but you made us wait 5 days for a diplomatic post that just sounds resignedly.. so i have my 5 days questions here for you.

And what i realy liked to hear was good stuff on who you think to be scum n°1 and why.. Just in case you do flip town but i think that chance dropped to zero. And i do not read your post as such - saying you still win as town is said to survive, last attempt to make us doubt.. thats my feel on it. Its not said to leave good clues for after your dead. And why should you bother if you already know your gonna flip scum anyways. 50% chance you do..You also noted a PMC connection between me and him but thats no problem as i had my paranoid moment on him already.

[Charle]

Vote Count:

Ragian (4) - PMC, DDS, Sonic, Max
Traf (3) - Ragian, LC, Pepe

No vote (2) - Traf, EW

9 Alive - 5 Votes for a lynch

[SoN!c]

Vote Count:

Ragian (4) - PMC, DDS, Sonic, Max
Traf (3) - Ragian, LC, Pepe

No vote (2) - Traf, EW

9 Alive - 5 Votes for a lynch

Your voting Traf but he does not get any mentioning in your "stay tuned:,
. You'll never guess who is at the top." post?

Instead you place DDS on top of your scummy to chummy list and Traf halfway?

[Ragian]

Wasn't aware I hadn't unvoted.

unvote

I don't know what you want from me, but you've managed to kill my energy now. Just get this overwith and move on to your, "Well, I don't understand. He played very antitown," and see if that wins you the game.

I put effort into that post, but apparently what I need to do is spit out irrelevant fluff and half baked accusation.

EW and Loose seem town to me and ought to die tonight (unless they've fooled me brilliantly). DDS seems scum to me. Pmc and sonic are my best bet at a scum faction.

Now, lynch me and move the game forward.

[Ragian]

My vote doesn't matter right now. Let me know if it's needed later in the game.

[SoN!c]

Wasn't aware I hadn't unvoted.

unvote

I don't know what you want from me, but you've managed to kill my energy now. Just get this overwith and move on to your, "Well, I don't understand. He played very antitown," and see if that wins you the game.

I put effort into that post, but apparently what I need to do is spit out irrelevant fluff and half baked accusation.

EW and Loose seem town to me and ought to die tonight (unless they've fooled me brilliantly). DDS seems scum to me. Pmc and sonic are my best bet at a scum faction.

Now, lynch me and move the game forward.

This sounds like a confession, wanting to keep your rep for the next game. Undefendable here..

I agree on EW and Loose and i have PMC as number 4. 1 more to find.