The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Wolves win

[Charle]

Wow, that will be great for town if true.

Who did you visit last night?

[SoN!c]

Wow, that will be great for town if true.

Who did you visit last night?

Eh.. i think he is saying he visited you Charle?

[Charle]

ok I'm seer

(fyi visited extreme first night)

Ok, I am smelling a rat here.

1. Why did you not tell town that you visited EW N1? We could have had a confession on somebody else.
2. Why did you start D3 by telling I am 100% wolf. Well, I am not wolf, so if you claim that you visited me, then you are caught pants down, I will make a claim later and I know there is only the one of my character so town will know for sure.
3. If you did visit somebody else, who was it and what was the result? Why keep it secret from town?
4. If the real Seer comes forward to confirm that you lied, that means the wolves will eat him tonight. It can be a wolf strategy to get our Seer, but on the other hand, our defender might be able to save him.

This is starting to become very interesting

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[Charle]

Wow, that will be great for town if true.

Who did you visit last night?

Eh.. i think he is saying he visited you Charle?

LOL, then he is caught out completely and time for a nice haircut

[SoN!c]

The way i understand "biten" means being bitten by the AWF. Because that would be the only "werewolf bite" that would remain as permanent effect rather than being just devoured?

But following that logic it leads to this:

1) AWF Strike would have bitten DDS during D1 and thus converted DDS into a werewolf on D1
2) DDS then "diving" the Confessor (as infected Werewolf) would definitely confirm Vot and EW as town 100%
3) It also means we cannot follow the rulebook 100% anymore (the rulebook says the AWF can only bite after his fellow wolves have fallen asleep).

But perhaps for gamebalance Traf modified this Pact rule. If so Deg is probably right and there are just 3 wolves instead of 4.. (just 2 remaining). Because 4 wolves including a werewolf with converting power on D1 is way too overpowered..

Now LC / Charle going against each other means one of them is lying (with possibly just 2 wolves left that is a great thing to have either way).

So i wanna hear Traf first on the meaning of the word "biten". Then hear Ragian (he was 100% right about Max being "Mitch Gung Ho" and the fact LC with town/wolf-immunity should always have been the Confession target on D2).

Because LC could be saying the truth here (the EW confession was made very sudden, without prior warning, so LC did not have the time to come forward as the seer with wolf-immunity)..

Running a "LC is lying scenario" gives a lot of possibilities but surely there are better plans to be made than saying "im the seer and charle is wolf"?

And nobody came forward saying "im the seer and LC is wolf"

Unless Charle is going to say that now?


Charle i think you will have to claim (but let's hear Ragian and Deg on the matter first).

[Charle]

I have no problem to claim and will do so soon, just want to hear a few others as well. I do not have a very important role such as Seer or Defender though.

[Ragian]

This seems easy. LC claims seer. He says Charle is a wolf. We've already nailed one wolf. Despite Max' antics, we're still up. I say lynch Charle. If not wolf, we lynch LC the next day or get him barbered at night. Not voting just now because there's no rush.

@Dega, how do you feel?

[Loose Canon]

My day 1 read was. Strike probably town but he wasn't. Extreme maybe wolf but he wasn't. So thought ok I'd check you out last night Charle as I put you as town d1

[swang918]

This seems easy. LC claims seer. He says Charle is a wolf. We've already nailed one wolf. Despite Max' antics, we're still up. I say lynch Charle. If not wolf, we lynch LC the next day or get him barbered at night. Not voting just now because there's no rush.

@Dega, how do you feel?

I can only kill during the day btw

[Ewebasher]

Since this my debut game I don't know player styles at all but Loose does seem to like the attention...

D1 defends Daddy Scum (maybe unwittingly and to be fair did also agree that Vot picking strike made sense on a game role basis)

D2 initially goes down the route of trying to lose Scum immunity (before recanting and claiming to have missed a fairly critical piece of his roles power - seems to have no bother voting quickly which is also in his role description he failed to read properly)

D3 comes 'clean' as Seer and admits to being a terrible judge of character

Would be inclined to go for Swang giving him a hair cut straight away but as Ragian says we've nailed one wolf (maybe 2 depending on what bitten means/meant) so maybe giving him the benefit of the doubt and going for lynching Charle (with Loose being for the chop courtesy of Swang the next day should Charl turn out to be town)

Only worry would be - did the Defender protect Swang last night and can he defend the same person twice in a row? If not then Swang would be an obvious target again tonight...

[swang918]

Right, a mislynch on Charle would put us in a tough spot. We need to wait to see if anyone counterclaims seer before doing anything

[Extreme Ways]

This seems easy. LC claims seer. He says Charle is a wolf. We've already nailed one wolf. Despite Max' antics, we're still up. I say lynch Charle. If not wolf, we lynch LC the next day or get him barbered at night. Not voting just now because there's no rush.

@Dega, how do you feel?

I can only kill during the day btw

easy barber now then

[SoN!c]

Since this my debut game I don't know player styles at all but Loose does seem to like the attention...
Only worry would be - did the Defender protect Swang last night and can he defend the same person twice in a row? If not then Swang would be an obvious target again tonight...

True but i think he is telling the truth. I believe we have 12 players left?
So it comes down to a dilemma:

Swang vigging town LC : they both die and the wolves eat a third townie tonight.. But we lynch Charle.. so 8 players left with just 1 wolf to smoke?

Swang vigging town Charle: they both die and we need to sacrifice whoever Loose selects next to remove his immunity, thats also an extra night wolf kill but still enough players left with just 1 wolf to find..

Also Vot made a plan so i assume the seer is town and LC was the target.. but nobody is claiming the seer here except LC.. (Unless wolf LC is lying and this game has no seer / little girl? )

In the end : LC's immunity can be removed and as such there are way better plans for the remaining wolves to win then wolf LC saying "im the seer and Charle is wolf"?

[SoN!c]

Hate to do this Charle...

But it's a game and a game needs to be played..

VOTE CHARLE

[degaston]

This seems easy. LC claims seer. He says Charle is a wolf. We've already nailed one wolf. Despite Max' antics, we're still up. I say lynch Charle. If not wolf, we lynch LC the next day or get him barbered at night. Not voting just now because there's no rush.

@Dega, how do you feel?

I'm inclined to believe LC.
If he was a wolf, then claiming seer is very bold, especially after a night where he was supposed to be the seer's target. I think town has to have a seer, so I don't think this could be a situation where wolf LC gives up wolf Charle to get town credit.

So, pending Charle's claim, I think I'd be ok with Swang going all Sweeny Todd on him.

[degaston]

Swang vigging town Charle: they both die and we need to sacrifice whoever Loose selects next to remove his immunity, thats also an extra night wolf kill but still enough players left with just 1 wolf to find.

Swang and Charle only both die if LC is a wolf and Charle is town.
But if LC is a wolf, then where is our seer?

[SoN!c]

Swang vigging town Charle: they both die and we need to sacrifice whoever Loose selects next to remove his immunity, thats also an extra night wolf kill but still enough players left with just 1 wolf to find.

Swang and Charle only both die if LC is a wolf and Charle is town.
But if LC is a wolf, then where is our seer?

That is exactly the reason LC is more believable... either the seer or the Little Girl (or a combo of those roles) would be in here for sure? And if not, how would Loose (if wolf) would have known that it's not?

[SoN!c]

@Deg: "

Also Vot made a plan so i assume the seer is town and LC was the target.. but nobody is claiming the seer here except LC.. (Unless wolf LC is lying and this game has no seer / little girl? )

"

That is why this part is in the post..

[degaston]

Swang vigging town Charle: they both die and we need to sacrifice whoever Loose selects next to remove his immunity, thats also an extra night wolf kill but still enough players left with just 1 wolf to find.

Swang and Charle only both die if LC is a wolf and Charle is town.
But if LC is a wolf, then where is our seer?

That is exactly the reason LC is more believable... either the seer or the Little Girl (or a combo of those roles) would be in here for sure? And if not, how would Loose (if wolf) would have known that it's not?

Right, so why are you voting to lynch Charle instead of having Swang vig him?

[SoN!c]

Swang vigging town Charle: they both die and we need to sacrifice whoever Loose selects next to remove his immunity, thats also an extra night wolf kill but still enough players left with just 1 wolf to find.

Swang and Charle only both die if LC is a wolf and Charle is town.
But if LC is a wolf, then where is our seer?

That is exactly the reason LC is more believable... either the seer or the Little Girl (or a combo of those roles) would be in here for sure? And if not, how would Loose (if wolf) would have known that it's not?

Right, so why are you voting to lynch Charle instead of having Swang vig him?

To minimize damage if we are wrong.. it's a 50/50 flip in the end and if Charle does flip town then only Charle dies instead of Charle and Swang..the wolves would need to target Swang tonight in that case..otherwise townie Charle, Swang + another townie target get eaten.

[Devante]

Alright I'm caught up now. Did not really want to do this since I'll be dead tonight now and don't think losing me is smart but if town wins at the end that I'm ok with that.

I am the Seer.

First night I checked DDS as the new sheriff, saw the judge and town did not see the lover aspect. Yesterday I checked Loose following Vots plan which made the most sense for town. I was hoping for another night to check barber but think the white wolf staying alive is probably worst for town.

Loose is the White Wolf

I was hoping he would have killed a wolf last night as he can choose to do so on even nights, but he didn't and now is claiming to be the seer. Either to flush me out or to gain trust to stay alive. but he is the white wolf. Now everyone is leaning to kill the barber which is our only tool against Loose, so...

The barber needs to slice him now. He is a wolf so barber will live.

[SoN!c]

Alright I'm caught up now. Did not really want to do this since I'll be dead tonight now and don't think losing me is smart but if town wins at the end that I'm ok with that.

I am the Seer.

First night I checked DDS as the new sheriff, saw the judge and town did not see the lover aspect. Yesterday I checked Loose following Vots plan which made the most sense for town. I was hoping for another night to check barber but think the white wolf staying alive is probably worst for town.

Loose is the White Wolf

I was hoping he would have killed a wolf last night as he can choose to do so on even nights, but he didn't and now is claiming to be the seer. Either to flush me out or to gain trust to stay alive. but he is the white wolf. Now everyone is leaning to kill the barber which is our only tool against Loose, so...

The barber needs to slice him now. He is a wolf so barber will live.

Dang! The plot thickens!..hold your horses!! It's rethinking time

[degaston]

Loose is the White Wolf

Now things are getting interesting!

Any comment, Loose?

[degaston]

Dang! The plot thickens!..hold your horses!! It's rethinking time

I think you might want to unvote for the time being.

[Loose Canon]

Fair play to you Devante - I like the white wolf touch