ObamaCare - exchanges ,report your states options!

[Neoteny]

Sometimes I Google the things night strike types and it just makes me say "f*ck it." It never feels like it's worth the effort anymore. It's not fun. Just sad.

[Night Strike]

Sometimes I Google the things night strike types and it just makes me say "f*ck it." It never feels like it's worth the effort anymore. It's not fun. Just sad.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/36 ... -john-fund

[saxitoxin]

I hate to break it to you, but plans get canceled ALL THE TIME and people need to choose a new plan.

True. So it looks like Obamacare is just status quo ante bellum. The same uninsured as before, the same medical bankruptcies as before, the only difference is Obama's campaign donors at UHC have lined their pockets with millions and working families fortunate enough to have insurance get to pay for it.

[saxitoxin]

Democratic Nominee for Governor of Maryland Says Obamacare is "Like a Saturday Night Live Skit"
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/o ... 01390.html

Democratic Senator Joe Manchin Warns Obamacare Is On Verge of Total Collapse
http://www.politico.com/blogs/politico- ... 80101.html

Oregon Health Exchange: "We Give Up - You're On Your Own!"
Oregon's Obamacare Health Exchange, which has yet to enroll a single person online, is officially advising people to find health insurance elsewhere.
http://www.oregonlive.com/finance/index ... t-comments

Obamacare Opposition Rises to 62% - Support at 35% and in Freefall
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/12/29/ ... prise-you/

[Neoteny]

Sometimes I Google the things night strike types and it just makes me say "f*ck it." It never feels like it's worth the effort anymore. It's not fun. Just sad.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/36 ... -john-fund

I got that. Like I said, I googled. I'm still sad that you are more concerned about political gotchas (and a mediocre one) than working to fix anything. Any damn thing.

[BigBallinStalin]

If you voted for Obama, then you should be just as ashamed as any voter of Bush 2.0 regarding his foreign policy.

Of course, that position is 'vulnerable' to the 'oh, we need more time' group, or the 'it's still the right thing to do' group, or 'at least he did something that will eventually be good' group.

This argument does not require searching Google for links.

[Neoteny]

If I had to guess, I reckon I am much more ashamed of Obama's foreign policy than your average Bush voter is/was ashamed of Bush's foreign policy. Indeed, FP is one of the major reasons I did not vote for Obama during his reelection campaign. You're right. No googling required. But how is this relevant, oh great balled one?

[Night Strike]

Sometimes I Google the things night strike types and it just makes me say "f*ck it." It never feels like it's worth the effort anymore. It's not fun. Just sad.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/36 ... -john-fund

I got that. Like I said, I googled. I'm still sad that you are more concerned about political gotchas (and a mediocre one) than working to fix anything. Any damn thing.

Something that's inherently designed to fail can't be fixed. It has to be completely scrapped and replaced with real solutions.

[Phatscotty]

But, during the govenment shut down, President Obama said it was fine as is, and he couldn't change the law even if he wanted to. Oh, wait, that was just part of pinning the blame on Republicans for the shutdown, when it turns out the Tea Party was right about everything, as Obama made the changes that the Tea Party requested about a month later, and then changed the law again a few times.

Really, none of the facts matter though when it comes down to Obamacare. All that matters is if the person arguing truly believes Obama cares about poor people or not, if they believe in Obama, then nothing else matters. They'll support this thing all the way to the gulag.

[mrswdk]

If you voted for Obama, then you should be just as ashamed as any voter of Bush 2.0 regarding his foreign policy.

Of course, that position is 'vulnerable' to the 'oh, we need more time' group, or the 'it's still the right thing to do' group, or 'at least he did something that will eventually be good' group.

This argument does not require searching Google for links.

Why should she be ashamed? I thought voters aren't responsible for whatever the government does?

^.^

[Neoteny]

Sometimes I Google the things night strike types and it just makes me say "f*ck it." It never feels like it's worth the effort anymore. It's not fun. Just sad.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/36 ... -john-fund

I got that. Like I said, I googled. I'm still sad that you are more concerned about political gotchas (and a mediocre one) than working to fix anything. Any damn thing.

Something that's inherently designed to fail can't be fixed. It has to be completely scrapped and replaced with real solutions.

Catchphrase!

[Phatscotty]

Yeah NightStrike! Why aren't you fixing Obamacare!!!

Tell ya what Neo, you fix unemployment, Strike will fix Obamacare, I will fix Social Security, and then we can all have valid opinions again and you don't have to get all your answers from Google.

[PLAYER57832]

Also, as bad as the websites are, as bad as some problems with the affordable healthcare act have come to be, you STILL keep ignoring the real point -- its STILL far better than what we had, even for most of those with 'cancelled policies' -- a group limited to individual purchasers.

Except that it's not better. And it will get even worse in 2014 when all the people who had their employer plans renewed early to avoid Obamacare have to now come into compliance.

You put that out as though it were a terrible thing, without really looking at the impacts.

The compliance you talk about is very minimal standards. Most employer insurance plans already meet the standards. Those that don't SHOULD. Ths "onerous" standards to which you refer specify that policies cannot have huge deductables and that they actually have to really cover real illnesses, not just a few handful of choice ussyes.

The real complaint is that ALL policiies won
t immediately be cheaper. That is real, though the real story always wqas that some individual policies that don't comply would have to be changed and that a few small businesses, self employed individuals (a very few in the overall scheme) would have to pay more. /except, OBAMAa kept saying "no increases"-- and even if he said "no changes to most employer based policies" 90% of the time,that he went beyond that in a few cases was wrong.

HOWEvEr, to say OBAM goofed is one thing. To say that thehealthcarereform act is not perfect is another. YOU, and phattacotty,howe ver and a large number of politicians have not done that, you haveinsttead looked under rocks for any problemand utterly ignored real improvements that come, such as the fact that insurancecompanies cannot acept payments for yeas and then dump patients as soon as they get sick, particularly if they wind up having to leaveemployemnet or change employmebnt as a result of the illness.

YOU, in particular kep asking for savings before tge lay was even implemented! You knew so little that you crowed about "failures" long BEFORE the exchanges even began! Any claim you make to criticizing based on evidence is just wrong. you criticized well BEFORE any evidence.

Also, you are far more interested in attackingfor even minor points than in putting forwarfd any real and workable solutions. You were so fixated that you ignored the multiple posts not just I, but greekdog, greenspwn,etc,etc, posted regarding various plans worldwide. To you, it was all just "socialization" AND you would only look at the very worst cases in Canada and the UK, shile simultaneously ignoring real problems here in the US. You minimizedor pretended to not be real that insurancecompanies here had trqack records ofdumping patients who got truly sick,delaying paymentsand approvals until it was too late, along with many medical related bankruptcies.

Evenjust above,you tried to make the claim that paying for other people was somehow new,instead of acknowledging that every patient who nowcannot pay orwho even just deadbeatswinds up increasing BOTH medical coss AND taxes for the rest of us.

I don't like that insurance companies still get to take profits,but at least they are now limited AND they have to actually cover everyone to whom they issue a policy.

[PLAYER57832]

Also, as bad as the websites are, as bad as some problems with the affordable healthcare act have come to be, you STILL keep ignoring the real point -- its STILL far better than what we had, even for most of those with 'cancelled policies' -- a group limited to individual purchasers.

Except that it's not better. And it will get even worse in 2014 when all the people who had their employer plans renewed early to avoid Obamacare have to now come into compliance.

You put that out as though it were a terrible thing, without really looking at the impacts.

The compliance you talk about is very minimal standards. Most employer insurance plans already meet the standards. Those that don't SHOULD. Ths "onerous" standards to which you refer specify that policies cannot have huge deductables and that they actually have to really cover real illnesses, not just a few handful of choice ussyes.

The real complaint is that ALL policiies won
t immediately be cheaper. That is real, though the real story always wqas that some individual policies that don't comply would have to be changed and that a few small businesses, self employed individuals (a very few in the overall scheme) would have to pay more. /except, OBAMAa kept saying "no increases"-- and even if he said "no changes to most employer based policies" 90% of the time,that he went beyond that in a few cases was wrong.

HOWEvEr, to say OBAM goofed is one thing. To say that thehealthcarereform act is not perfect is another. YOU, and phattacotty,howe ver and a large number of politicians have not done that, you haveinsttead looked under rocks for any problemand utterly ignored real improvements that come, such as the fact that insurancecompanies cannot acept payments for yeas and then dump patients as soon as they get sick, particularly if they wind up having to leaveemployemnet or change employmebnt as a result of the illness.

YOU, in particular kep asking for savings before tge lay was even implemented! You knew so little that you crowed about "failures" long BEFORE the exchanges even began! Any claim you make to criticizing based on evidence is just wrong. you criticized well BEFORE any evidence.

Also, you are far more interested in attackingfor even minor points than in putting forwarfd any real and workable solutions. You were so fixated that you ignored the multiple posts not just I, but greekdog, greenspwn,etc,etc, posted regarding various plans worldwide. To you, it was all just "socialization" AND you would only look at the very worst cases in Canada and the UK, shile simultaneously ignoring real problems here in the US. You minimizedor pretended to not be real that insurancecompanies here had trqack records ofdumping patients who got truly sick,delaying paymentsand approvals until it was too late, along with many medical related bankruptcies.

Evenjust above,you tried to make the claim that paying for other people was somehow new,instead of acknowledging that every patient who nowcannot pay orwho even just deadbeatswinds up increasing BOTH medical coss AND taxes for the rest of us.

I don't like that insurance companies still get to take profits,but at least they are now limited AND they have to actually cover everyone to whom they issue a policy.

[PLAYER57832]

Yeah NightStrike! Why aren't you fixing Obamacare!!!

In the whole 400 pages, neither you nor Nightstrike have offered any real workable solutions based on honest data. The closest you came was to suggest allowing policies to be purchased across state lines,but you ignored that the result would be cheaper policies -- that offered no coverage,exactly what has caused such problem already and why those policies have now bee outlawed.

Tell ya what Neo, you fix unemployment, Strike will fix Obamacare, I will fix Social Security, and then we can all have valid opinions again and you don't have to get all your answers from Google.

Neo does better research and has actually come up with some real ideas.
I cannot say I always agree by a long shot,but for you to voice THAT criticismis...laughable (or more likely,a matter for tears)

[Phatscotty]

It was laughable, because that's what jokes do. You really think I am going to fix social security??? What's wrong with people today? And why don't you please show us Neo's 'real ideas'. He's just been giving NightStrike crap, and in my experience that's all he usually does.

I do not need a workable solution to oppose Socialism.

And this whole line of conversation is ridiculous....what are we supposed to do if we come up with a solution? Text it to Obama??? Not even members of Congress knew what the hell they were doing when they passed Obamacare...why in the blue hell would you expect people from a gaming website to come up with a better answer?

[mrswdk]

I imagine PLAYER will need to replace a key or two on her keyboard after that last post.

[Neoteny]

Yeah NightStrike! Why aren't you fixing Obamacare!!!

Tell ya what Neo, you fix unemployment, Strike will fix Obamacare, I will fix Social Security, and then we can all have valid opinions again and you don't have to get all your answers from Google.

Sand Attack!

[Phatscotty]

Yeah NightStrike! Why aren't you fixing Obamacare!!!

Tell ya what Neo, you fix unemployment, Strike will fix Obamacare, I will fix Social Security, and then we can all have valid opinions again and you don't have to get all your answers from Google.

Sand Attack!

Is that another well researched good idea that Player was raving about?

[Phatscotty]

That must be another one of those well researched good ideas. Speaking of, I have a not only well researched good idea, it has even been tried and tested and successful, especially concerning health care.

It's called the free market. Add that to my 'only' other idea of 'competition' to lower prices over the last 400 pages. Brain surgery, I know...

[Neoteny]

Reagankill!

[Night Strike]

This person doesn't exist while Player worships Obamacare: http://www.ijreview.com/2013/12/105176- ... an-people/

[Phatscotty]

The affordable care act.... tell us, what is it that's 'affordable'? And don't sit there and pretend like yall didn't support this thing based on promises to lower the average families premiums by 2500/year. (premiums are up 2500/year)

Please share with us what is actually 'affordable' because of this....

[Phatscotty]

In a scathing op-ed in the New York Times on Tuesday, far-left documentary filmmaker Michael Moore finally admits that “Obamacare is awful.” However, he doesn’t cite the horrendous Healthcare.gov rollout, millions of cancelled health insurance plans or increasing monthly premiums.

The fact that Obamacare just isn’t good enough, he explains, is “the dirty little secret many liberals have avoided saying out loud for fear of aiding the president’s enemies.”

So why does Moore now openly proclaim that Obamacare “awful?”

“I believe Obamacare’s rocky start — clueless planning, a lousy website, insurance companies raising rates, and the president’s telling people they could keep their coverage when, in fact, not all could — is a result of one fatal flaw: The Affordable Care Act is a pro-insurance-industry plan implemented by a president who knew in his heart that a single-payer, Medicare-for-all model was the true way to go.”

“When right-wing critics ‘expose’ the fact that President Obama endorsed a single-payer system before 2004, they’re actually telling the truth,” Moore writes.

Moore goes on to say that progressives must continue to fight for a single-payer system, using Obamacare as only a step in the right direction. Several conservative commentators have been mocked for claiming that has been the strategy of progressives all along. (shows ya who is with the program, and more importantly, who has not been with the program)

Should Vermont successfully implement a single-payer system starting in 2017, it will “change everything,”

“So let’s get started. Obamacare can’t be fixed by its namesake. It’s up to us to make it happen,” he concludes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/01/opini ... .html?_r=1&

Hey! That's exactly what we have been saying all along! So either Michael Moore is a right wing nut job that just hates the president cause he's black, or Phatscotty n co. have been right all along.

[patches70]

Hey, PS, stop knocking Obamacare. It just got a ringing endorsement....